Florida v. California 2019-2022.

[hawkland14]

Florida had more deaths from covid than California did. Seems keeping things open wasn't in the best interest of his constituents.

Great job, Ron.

U.S. COVID death rate by state 2023 | Statista

As of March 2023, Arizona had the highest COVID death rate in the U.S., with 455 deaths per 100,000 population. Hawaii had the lowest death rate.

www.statista.com

U.S. COVID death rate by state 2023 | Statista

As of March 2023, Arizona had the highest COVID death rate in the U.S., with 455 deaths per 100,000 population. Hawaii had the lowest death rate.

www.statista.com

Lol you still think government mandates had anything to do with deaths related to Covid. How 2021 of you. Even team Blue has moved on from that talking point.
This lie.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Refute it then.

So a double no.

 

[IaHawk44]

Lol you still think government mandates had anything to do with deaths related to Covid. How 2021 of you. Even team Blue has moved on from that talking point.
This lie.

I know that listening to politicians over medical and science professionals killed more Republicans than Democrats.

****ing idiots.

For red and blue America, a glaring divide in COVID-19 death rates persists 2 years later

Cumulative death rates in red states were 38% higher than in blue states, post-vaccination availability, data shows.

www.google.com

 

[hawkland14]

I know that listening to politicians over medical and science professionals killed more Republicans than Democrats.

****ing idiots.

For red and blue America, a glaring divide in COVID-19 death rates persists 2 years later

Cumulative death rates in red states were 38% higher than in blue states, post-vaccination availability, data shows.

www.google.com

That was because many Republicans were dumb enough not take the jab. Had nothing to do with mask mandates or lockdowns.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Joe you are changing the argument from
What was originally posted.

Seems to me that you are picking and choosing the year range that most benefits your argument. Because for some odd reason you don't want to look at the real GDP growth from the most recent year, you just want to look at specifically 2019 to 2022.

Which admittedly Floridia might have done slightly better in that time period . . . at the cost of lives. As CA has better COVID deaths per capita.

Florida 404 per 100,000, Cali 256 per 100,000.

If we expand that out based on population of Florida than Florida had a slight temporary advantage in GDP growth at the cost of around 32,000 lives.

Was it worth it given that now that COVID has passed California has raced out to the lead again in 2022??? Those 32,000 people are never coming back. However California's GDP growth has come back.

DeSantis:

 

[hawkland14]

Seems to me that you are picking and choosing the year range that most benefits your argument. Because for some odd reason you don't want to look at the real GDP growth from the most recent year, you just want to look at specifically 2019 to 2022.

Which admittedly Floridia might have done slightly better in that time period . . . at the cost of lives. As CA has better COVID deaths per capita.

"At the cost of lives"

This is simply not true and you certainly have nothing to back that up. There is no correlation to more deaths as result of Covid and opening the economy up.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

"At the cost of lives"

This is simply not true and you certainly have nothing to back that up. There is no correlation to more deaths as result of Covid and opening the economy up.

IDK red states appear to heavily populate the top of the COVID deaths per capita list.

 

[hawkland14]

IDK red states appear to heavily populate the top of the COVID deaths per capita list.

In large part because so many Republicans didn’t get the jab, not because of lockdowns, mask mandates, and school closures.

 

[Flie]

In large part because so many Republicans didn’t get the jab, not because of lockdowns, mask mandates, and school closures.

Do the shots work?

 

[BelemNole]

I encourage @hawkland14 in his journey. Please, move to FL and not CA.
Please.

 

[HawkNester]

/thread

 

[KFsdisciple]

That's funny coming from a shitting in his own Capitol building insurrectionist.

when did your mom join the discussion?

 

[fezzador]

Have dems been talking about Newsome great for POTUS? I haven’t seen it as a huge discussion. I will say from a distance, it seems like Newsome has tried to tackle California’s biggest problem, housing costs, by trying to force for more building. However, local governments and homeowners have pushed back.

I think DeSantis can take some credit for keeping things more open during COVID, but Florida’s growth is mostly weather, beach, etc. related in my opinion. I’m aware that CA has those things but Florida is cheaper (housing and yes, taxes). Will be interesting to see Florida’s growth going forward as its gotten more expensive for housing and home insurance, but maybe people will just move more inland in FL.

I’d argue that CA’s (especially SoCal) biggest problem is water, which has a lot to do with rising housing costs.

Desalination would solve much of the water crisis, but as it stands, with current technology it’s not particularly efficient, it’s certainly not cheap, and it could have have negative effects on Pacific marine life. Maybe a more effective, environmentally-friendly design is in the cards, but people want issues addressed now, not in 20-30 years.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

I like both places. Pretty much all of the states I’ve been to other than those are toilets compared to each of them. Haven’t been to Hawaii.

 

[Fijimn]

As a person that grew up in what is generally considered the true shithole of California (central valley, representing), I always find these posts about how awful San Fran is to be pretty comical.

 

[BelemNole]

As a person that grew up in what is generally considered the true shithole of California (central valley, representing), I always find these posts about how awful San Fran is to be pretty comical.

As a person who has lived in both states, I can tell you that I've never been run off the road by a blue hair here in CA. Had it happen 3 times one summer in FL.

 

[Joes Place]

"At the cost of lives"

This is simply not true

He just SHOWED you it was true, dipshit.

 

[goldmom]

IDK red states appear to heavily populate the top of the COVID deaths per capita list.

Stopped at IDK.

 

[goldmom]

Florida is doing AWFUL. We suck.
Things are so out of whack that after bears DO shit in the woods they go to the beach and take a swim.
So please - stay away. Don’t come here. It’s not safe.
When y’all leavin?

 

[tumorboy]

Always curious to me when all of the low tax states brag about companies moving for tax purposes. How many jobs are those companies really moving. Are they just moving HQ's and some office drones. Similar to how Delaware has all of the credit card HQ's .

 

[hawkland14]

He just SHOWED you it was true, dipshit.

No he didn’t. There is no evidence that lockdowns and school closures did anything to prevent deaths. Only the jab did.

 

[DavidHawk324]

No he didn’t. There is no evidence that lockdowns and school closures did anything to prevent deaths. Only the jab did.

While I think DeSantis was smart keeping things more open during COVID, shouldn’t he take some criticism that he wasn’t able to (or didn’t try hard enough) to get more Floridans to get vaccinated? One downside in keeping things completely open and talking down the risk of COVID is that people take the message that it is so low risk, vaccination isn’t necessary or does more harm than good.

 

[hawkland14]

While I think DeSantis was smart keeping things more open during COVID, shouldn’t he take some criticism that he wasn’t able to (or didn’t try hard enough) to get more Floridans to get vaccinated? One downside in keeping things completely open and talking down the risk of COVID is that people take the message that it is so low risk, vaccination isn’t necessary or does more harm than good.

Agreed. DeSantis warrants criticism in regards to that but he is not anti vaccine, he just doesn't believe it should be mandated, which we now know is the right side of the argument as the jab doesn't stop the spread of Covid.

 

[Flie]

Nobody has said California's economy is doing poorly. It just isn't doing as well as Florida's in comparison in large part because of the paths chosen by each governor of the state during Covid.

The Narrative

 

[Joes Place]

The Narrative

So eerily similar to the "Trump won" narrative, which also could not be backed up factually.

 

[goldmom]

Cali has an enormous global economy and will continue to grow and I have no problem with that. In fact America in general benefits from the Golden State’s success.
Florida has become the third largest state for different reasons and the two will never have the same dynamic.
Covid changed a lot of things in every single state and it will therefore change the country overall. It’s still “shaking out” and the effects will be felt for years.

 

[MuscoHawk]

Have dems been talking about Newsome great for POTUS? I haven’t seen it as a huge discussion.

I think his destruction of Hannity definitely got him more into the discussion. Thanks Sean!

 

[IaHawk44]

That was because many Republicans were dumb enough not take the jab. Had nothing to do with mask mandates or lockdowns.

Tell that to Herman Cain.

 

[IaHawk44]

when did your mom join the discussion?

She passed in 1988.

Grow the **** up.

 

[Scruddy]

Most telling statistic is population change. California is losing hundreds of thousands of citizens while Florida is gaining. Leftist policies are leading people to flee en masse.