Every year after NCAA’s people talk about what stood out in terms of officiating and rules. Granted when Iowa wins we wait an hour or two. Ha.
Folk style is garbage
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Since you responded to this post, I'll respond accordingly. As it pertains to my son, sometimes he is looking for something from side...I mean, he's always looking. That doesn't mean he's going to act on it though. It really depends on how good the other kid is probably.
My point was, these wrestlers are obviously high level. One mistake and you can not only lose, but do so embarrassingly. A football team ain't throwing the go route up 4 with 1:43 to go. It may not be pretty but they'd prefer effective.
"Most" people prefer a skid loader over a wheelbarrow too. That's it in a nutshell from my viewpoint.
there is maybe some truth to that but on the alternative we can watch someone drop down to an ankle and wait for the referee to get to 4 then let go and repeat. if that doesn’t work then they can just run them out of bounds. i love folk but it needs some rule changes to save it.
here are the changes i would make:
- no riding time
- if there is no escape within 1 minute of a takedown or choice to go down then they go back to neutral with no point
- get rid of all stall related counts
- push out rule for neutral
i didnt interpret this thread to be directed at psu or any team specifically. everyone has moments where they benefit from stalling.
If freestyle is so exciting how come their stands are always empty?
Thanks, but we won't be doing those. Folkstyle doesn't need saving.
Yes, what you should do is totally eliminate it. Its not like wrestling has had any challenges in the past few years. Completely do away with folkstyle and throw some more at them. Get on the phone with the NCAA and get that started.
LOL. What happens if I get confused on the phone and tell them to eliminate freestyle and make folkstyle universal?
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If you can convince me that stalling will be called, you can convince me folk can be a better product. Otherwise I'll take freestyle with only 1 ref, and 20 point techs.
Things that may create more action in folk... double stalls after 1 minute of no scoring in neutral; automatic stall if you step out first from neutral (coupd also go point route; stall call if you lose a challenge; brought to neutral if 30 sec of no scoring on top, keep riding time but you gave to score more takedown to secure it is my thinking.
Things that may create more action in folk... double stalls after 1 minute of no scoring in neutral; automatic stall if you step out first from neutral (coupd also go point route; stall call if you lose a challenge; brought to neutral if 30 sec of no scoring on top, keep riding time but you gave to score more takedown to secure it is my thinking.
Spencer is also a multiple time world champion, so there is that. I think that most people who have no real intentions of wrestling internationally, like folk style just fine. There is a way for kids who are not quick or good on their feet to win matches.
I say every time a stalemate is called you have to call one of the guys for stalling. The guy who is causing the stalemate or not trying to improve is called for stalling. That is a simple fix and would eliminate the hanging on.
Also, dropping below the waist when the guy on bottom is standing up, is an automatic stall call while allowing the action to continue to see if he gets out. If he is still below the waist after 5 seconds, then it is a point. MAKE the guys try to score.
Those are 2 simple fixes that do not put the referees judgement into play.
It's like PI or holding in football . Everyone will play the game as it's being called. However I think some here believe that if stalling was called differently they'd benefit.
I don't think anything would change. The best wrestlers would just adapt to the change .
You’re acting like once you’ve got a guys legs locked up in freestyle that it’s easy to roll him. You don’t see that at the top level.
That’s a garbage argument.
Folkstyle sucks. Don’t take my word for it. Spencer said the same thing.
And how come the oldest Olympic sport was almost eliminated and there are so few weight classes. I really do like Freestyle but I like Folk even more. I think the exposure rules in Freestyle scoring don't always reflect the best wrestler but that's me. Maybe if I was a world class athlete maybe I'd have a more informed opinion.
The current folkstyle rules allow for almost fulltime defense.
Neutral: Defend against takedown
Top position: defend against escape. GET REWARDED when you defend for a whole minute
Bottom position: defend against getting turned
There are lots of guys that are elite counterers, funkers and scramblers who live off their opponents' aggression and initiative. Watching that takes a lot of the fun out of for me.
I watched less wrestling this year than any in the past 10 or so because I'm tired of watching guys push and pull on each other's necks and arms for 7 minutes
I vividly remember, from my wrestling days (in the 1980s) the referee's instruction to "improve your position" and call stalling or a stalemate much quicker than we see in folk today.
I watch the Hawks because I'm an Iowa fan but I'm far from a college wrestling fan
Neutral: Defend against takedown
Top position: defend against escape. GET REWARDED when you defend for a whole minute
Bottom position: defend against getting turned
There are lots of guys that are elite counterers, funkers and scramblers who live off their opponents' aggression and initiative. Watching that takes a lot of the fun out of for me.
I watched less wrestling this year than any in the past 10 or so because I'm tired of watching guys push and pull on each other's necks and arms for 7 minutes
I vividly remember, from my wrestling days (in the 1980s) the referee's instruction to "improve your position" and call stalling or a stalemate much quicker than we see in folk today.
I watch the Hawks because I'm an Iowa fan but I'm far from a college wrestling fan
The current folkstyle rules allow for almost fulltime offense.
Neutral. Score a takedown. Feet to back and score more points. Catch and release for more TD's. Shoot them off the mat and get stall calls and eventually points.
Top position. Turn your opponent. NF with a 4 count is 4 points now. Woo Hoo. Stalling on bottom wrestler.
Bottom position. Escape and score a TD. Reversal and score points.
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Yep. Both styles have major flaws. Some combination of the two would be ideal.
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Ref also allowed Brooks to ride parallel and run Amine out of bounds everytime Amine got to his feet.
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You don't think running the bottom guy out of bounds everytime he gets to his feet is stalling?
