New Story Following the future

[Blair Sanderson]

In our following the future update, we take a look at how Iowa's commits are doing on the court this season, get up to date on their stats, and much more.

Class of 2016

Ryan Kriener led his team to a trio of wins this past week. First, on Tuesday, he had 27 points and 14 rebounds in Spirit Lake's 72-37 win over Spencer. Then, on Friday, Kriener scored 19 points and pulled down 16 rebounds in a 74-58 win over LeMars. Finally, on Saturday, Kriener had 25 points and 18 rebounds in a 69-37 win over Sioux City North. For the season, Kriener is averaging 20.9 points and 11.7 rebounds per game for Spirit Lake (9-2).

Cordell Pemsl scored 20 points and pulled down 9 rebounds in Dubuque Wahlert's 73-63 loss to Cedar Falls on Tuesday. Then, on Friday, Pemsl had 20 points and 7 rebounds in Wahlert's 53-47 win over Cedar Rapids Kennedy. On the season, Pemsl is averaging 20.8 points and 8.9 rebounds per game for Wahlert (8-2).

Tyler Cook had 10 points and 5 rebounds in Chaminade's 79-46 win over DeSmet on Friday. Then, on Saturday, Cook had 12 points and 8 rebounds in an 81-66 win against Althoff. For the season, Cook is averaging 10.0 points and 5.3 rebounds per game for Chaminade (13-3).

Jordan Bohannon scored 17 points in Linn-Mar's 76-56 win over Cedar Rapids Kennedy on Tuesday. He followed that up with a 20 point game where he made 4/8 from three-point range as Linn-Mar beat Cedar Falls 96-61 on Friday. On the season, Bohannon is averaging 22.1 points per game for Linn-Mar (6-2).

Class of 2017

Connor McCaffery had 17 points and 5 assists in Iowa City West's 76-50 win over Cedar Rapids Jefferson on Tuesday. McCaffery followed that up with a 14 point, 5 assist, 4 rebound performance in a 45-31 win over City High on Friday. For the season, he is averaging 16.1 pointers per game for West (7-2).

Class of 2018

Joe Wieskamp was held to 8 points in Muscatine's 46-27 loss to Pleasant Valley on Tuesday. The sophomore bounced back in a big way with 30 points and 6 rebounds on Friday as Muscatine beat Bettendorf 60-46. On the season, Wieskamp is averaging 21.0 points per game for Muscatine (6-2).

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Is Patrick playing much yet?

 

[iowaguy88]

For anyone not aware Cook is high school teammates with the #2 player in the nation and headed to Duke next year. He averages 30 a game and has never turned down a shot. Chaminade also travels the nation during their season so they're playing against top level competition. He's a smart player, always plays within himself. Excited to have him play the 5 next year. Fran can finally play the type of big man his style was meant for.
His 10 pts 5 boards a game are easy to overlook but there's a reason he's ranked in the top 100, 4*, and was offered by Kansas, UCONN, Florida, Virginia etc.

 

[hawkjazz]

For anyone not aware Cook is high school teammates with the #2 player in the nation and headed to Duke next year. He averages 30 a game and has never turned down a shot. Chaminade also travels the nation during their season so they're playing against top level competition. He's a smart player, always plays within himself. Excited to have him play the 5 next year. Fran can finally play the type of big man his style was meant for.
His 10 pts 5 boards a game are easy to overlook but there's a reason he's ranked in the top 100, 4*, and was offered by Kansas, UCONN, Florida, Virginia etc.

hate to disagree on him playing the 5 for Fran, he may on occasion play the 5 but I feel he will be a solid 4 IN Fran's system and Kriener will be the 5..

in my opinion a front court of 6'9 240 lb Cook @ PF and 6'10 240 lb Kriener @ C will be very solid. then in a couple year you might see 6'8 240 lb Pemsyl join them as the 3. that would be the biggest Front Court in the history of IA BB.

neither Kriener nor Cook will be required to be scorers next year, their will be multiple scoring options in Jok, Uhl, Williams, Baer, Jones, Fleming, Ellingson, Moss, Hutton and the new commits.

no one player will have to be the MAN that does everything. scoring, rebounding, steals and assists will be a team effort.

 

[MNHawk]

Class of 2018

Joe Wieskamp was held to 8 points in Muscatine's 46-27 loss to Pleasant Valley on Tuesday. The sophomore bounced back in a big way with 30 points and 6 rebounds on Friday as Muscatine beat Bettendorf 60-46. On the season, Wieskamp is averaging 21.0 points per game for Muscatine (6-2).

Wow, Muscatine only scored 27 points? Pleasant Valley took them behind the woodshed...

Based on what I've been reading about Joe and his drive, I'm sure he went into the Bett game pretty fired up...

 

[iowaguy88]

hate to disagree on him playing the 5 for Fran, he may on occasion play the 5 but I feel he will be a solid 4 IN Fran's system and Kriener will be the 5..

in my opinion a front court of 6'9 240 lb Cook @ PF and 6'10 240 lb Kriener @ C will be very solid. then in a couple year you might see 6'8 240 lb Pemsyl join them as the 3. that would be the biggest Front Court in the history of IA BB.

neither Kriener nor Cook will be required to be scorers next year, their will be multiple scoring options in Jok, Uhl, Williams, Baer, Jones, Fleming, Ellingson, Moss, Hutton and the new commits.

no one player will have to be the MAN that does everything. scoring, rebounding, steals and assists will be a team effort.

Kreiner is a stretch 4, a lot of his points are going to be jump shots. Cook is a dunker and is going to be get his points in the paint and catching lobs. You're going to want to drop off to Cook for a dunk than leave it for Kriener for a collection of head fakes before putting up a contested layup. That's what we're doing with Woody now. Cook is definitely playing the 5, and Kreiner will definitely be spacing the floor at the 4 position.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Kreiner is a stretch 4, a lot of his points are going to be jump shots. Cook is a dunker and is going to be get his points in the paint and catching lobs. You're going to want to drop off to Cook for a dunk than leave it for Kriener for a collection of head fakes before putting up a contested layup. That's what we're doing with Woody now. Cook is definitely playing the 5, and Kreiner will definitely be spacing the floor at the 4 position.

Kriener can hit the three/jump shot, but he has great footwork and is solid around the rim. In addition, he is a fantastic dunker with a wingspan over 7'0 and former high jumper. Don't really see Kriener as a stretch 4

Also, Cook has a solid midrange game. Cook- 4, Kriener- 5

 

[Ronman]

Pleasant Valley, fwiw, is now rated #1 in 4A.

 

[iowaguy88]

Kriener can hit the three/jump shot, but he has great footwork and is solid around the rim. In addition, he is a fantastic dunker with a wingspan over 7'0 and former high jumper. Don't really see Kriener as a stretch 4

Also, Cook has a solid midrange game. Cook- 4, Kriener- 5

Kreiner is nowhere near the dunker or has the hops that Cook has, he can catch lobs and hit that midrange game that a 5 would see. He's also used to playing top competition and guys his size.

Kreiner can hit the 3 that Cook can't which is why he'll play more out on the perimeter at the 4. I'd question that 7 foot wingspan, and he's used to matching up against guys 6 inches shorter than him. He won't be able to jump over anybody in the BIG. He'll definitely play outside in. Cook plays inside out.

 

[DanL53]

Positionless basketball. Power Forwards playing at Center. Combo Guards playing point but which one there are three on the court at the same time. Is that a wing forward at the four and what's that 6'9" guy doing shooting 3's half the time!?!? Dogs and cats sleeping together!

They all move around driving the defense mad in something called a motion offense but Alford said he ran that and none of it looks like his did!!! In fact the guys know what they are doing and it turns out there was a reason every single guy we recruited was known to be a good passer.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Kreiner is a stretch 4, a lot of his points are going to be jump shots. Cook is a dunker and is going to be get his points in the paint and catching lobs. You're going to want to drop off to Cook for a dunk than leave it for Kriener for a collection of head fakes before putting up a contested layup. That's what we're doing with Woody now. Cook is definitely playing the 5, and Kreiner will definitely be spacing the floor at the 4 position.

Why are you so sure Cook will play the 5? Just your gut or did you talk to Fran McCaffery personally?

 

[ZumaHawk]

Some good points made by all. It's just a number though people. Some teams are playing 4 guards and 1 forward. So, is the forward a 5? Then you can even have matchup situations where the 5 is guarding a 4 and vice versa. Love the updates on our players btw. Good to see. Fran will guide these young guys along imo. Whether they play a 4 or a 5.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

I think that Kreiner is a true center in the traditional sense of the position. Lots of centers, since Dave Cowens, Willis Reed and Bob Lanier, just for three guys from 40 years ago, play the traditional position and pass and shoot out of a high post. Still dying to see him play because the friends of mine that have are really divided on his future, although both say he'll play pretty much the same way as Woody with longer arms and better hops.

 

[LGEND24]

Wagner and Cook could be really fun to watch together as bruisers in the paint.

 

[hawk_it]

Positionless basketball. Power Forwards playing at Center. Combo Guards playing point but which one there are three on the court at the same time. Is that a wing forward at the four and what's that 6'9" guy doing shooting 3's half the time!?!? Dogs and cats sleeping together!

They all move around driving the defense mad in something called a motion offense but Alford said he ran that and none of it looks like his did!!! In fact the guys know what they are doing and it turns out there was a reason every single guy we recruited was known to be a good passer.

Dan I like the positionless basketball thought. Maybe that will create some confusion and mismatches for the other teams defense. Who's the 2 who's the 3 who's the 4 who's the 5. Could be a good strategy.

 

[RocknRollface]

Kreiner is nowhere near the dunker or has the hops that Cook has, he can catch lobs and hit that midrange game that a 5 would see. He's also used to playing top competition and guys his size.

Kreiner can hit the 3 that Cook can't which is why he'll play more out on the perimeter at the 4. I'd question that 7 foot wingspan, and he's used to matching up against guys 6 inches shorter than him. He won't be able to jump over anybody in the BIG. He'll definitely play outside in. Cook plays inside out.

I get the impression that you don't really have anything to base this on outside of your own guessing/racial stereo typing.

First, Kriener jumps allot better than Woodbury and has much longer arms.

Second, Fran would take another Woodbury any chance he got.

 

[seer_hawk]

Why are you so sure Cook will play the 5? Just your gut or did you talk to Fran McCaffery personally?

Kreiner is a stretch 4, a lot of his points are going to be jump shots. Cook is a dunker and is going to be get his points in the paint and catching lobs. You're going to want to drop off to Cook for a dunk than leave it for Kriener for a collection of head fakes before putting up a contested layup. That's what we're doing with Woody now. Cook is definitely playing the 5, and Kreiner will definitely be spacing the floor at the 4 position.

The Center position is more about who is more comfortable with their back to the basket than range IMO. Basabe and White both had limited range for most of their time at Iowa. Who in an Iowa uniform dunked more than White? Basabe and White both played Forward far more than Center. I think Kreiner will play more Center than Cook if/when he's one of our five best players.

 

[HawkLogic]

The Center position is more about who is more comfortable with their back to the basket than range IMO. Basabe and White both had limited range for most of their time at Iowa. Who in an Iowa uniform dunked more than White? Basabe and White both played Forward far more than Center. I think Kreiner will play more Center than Cook if/when he's one of our five best players.

These two guys seem complementary in skills/abilities on offense and somewhat interchangeable on defense. If they both play at same time, they are 4.5 position.

 

[iowaguy88]

I get the impression that you don't really have anything to base this on outside of your own guessing/racial stereo typing.

First, Kriener jumps allot better than Woodbury and has much longer arms.

Second, Fran would take another Woodbury any chance he got.

There's no stereotype involved. The film doesn't lie. Cook is a much more athletic player than Kreiner which is why he had the offers he has. He's very raw skill wise, but he can jump out of the gym and plays physical.
Kreiner is much more polished offensively, it's a lot easier to use those skills in open space which is why he'll play out on the perimeter more.
I would hope to god Kreiner can jump better than Woody, I can't think of a 7'1 player that has a more difficult time dunking than Woody. Cook is going to get his points on under the basket dishes, lobs, put backs etc. He's going to dunk over big men under the basket, which is why he'll play under the basket more than Kreiner who probably only ever plays against guys his size a few times a year over the summer.

Also, yes Fran would recruit a top 50 in state talent like Woody again, if nothing else it looks good for public perception. Woody has had a decent career at Iowa but he in no way fits the mold of Fran would typically want in his big men. 6'8-6'10 athletes who can run the floor. Think the Tennessee teams of Pearl, the Cincinnati teams of Huggins.

 

[91hawki]

Call them a 4, call them a 5.

Cook is Ed Horton, an inside banger with a range of 10-12 feet.

They will be able to switch off on defense- but on offense Kreiner will play the 4 or high post with Cook roaming the lane.

Pemsl is a 4 at this point. Not sure he has the quicks to play the 3 or defend the 3. My guess is that he is a redshirt candidate with Uhl, Baer, Wagner, and possibly Jones providing front court depth next year. Not a lot of minutes open there

 

[revkev73]

While living in Milwaukee, went with two friends (one a good bb player himself) went to see Jack Sikma play...I hadn't heard of him but the other guy did...talk of him being drafted in the NBA...nothing else to do so made the short trip to watch Sikma playing for Illinois Wesleyan? ...we were pretty much in agreement that he wasn't much of a player for the NBA...seemed slow, wasn't that strong, played outside, which seemed to be his preference, not very athletic...good shooter! At any rate...things worked out differently for him...

 

[RocknRollface]

There's no stereotype involved. The film doesn't lie. Cook is a much more athletic player than Kreiner which is why he had the offers he has. He's very raw skill wise, but he can jump out of the gym and plays physical.
Kreiner is much more polished offensively, it's a lot easier to use those skills in open space which is why he'll play out on the perimeter more.
I would hope to god Kreiner can jump better than Woody, I can't think of a 7'1 player that has a more difficult time dunking than Woody. Cook is going to get his points on under the basket dishes, lobs, put backs etc. He's going to dunk over big men under the basket, which is why he'll play under the basket more than Kreiner who probably only ever plays against guys his size a few times a year over the summer.

Also, yes Fran would recruit a top 50 in state talent like Woody again, if nothing else it looks good for public perception. Woody has had a decent career at Iowa but he in no way fits the mold of Fran would typically want in his big men. 6'8-6'10 athletes who can run the floor. Think the Tennessee teams of Pearl, the Cincinnati teams of Huggins.

Then why try to associate Kriener with Woodbury when theres nothing there other than skin color? The "film" shows someone who dunks allot.

The only quotes Iv read from Fran on Cook were specifically stating that he has perimeter skills and wants to play him away from the basket at times.

Jumping doesn't dictate what position you play.Thats just nonsense. Getting "dishes lobs and putbacks" can also come from any positions, as someone already pointed out the example of White.

In Iowas offense the 5 is used as a screener on the perimeter a large percentage of the time.

 

[iowaguy88]

Then why try to associate Kriener with Woodbury when theres nothing there other than skin color? The "film" shows someone who dunks allot.

The only quotes Iv read from Fran on Cook were specifically stating that he has perimeter skills and wants to play him away from the basket at times.

Jumping doesn't dictate what position you play.Thats just nonsense. Getting "dishes lobs and putbacks" can also come from any positions, as someone already pointed out the example of White.

In Iowas offense the 5 is used as a screener on the perimeter a large percentage of the time.

It seems to me you're the one making this about race. Kreiner and Woody are comparable only because people are calling Kreiner a 5, which is the same position Woody plays. Since you brought up race, I think it's ignorant to ignore the fact that most black athletes are more athletic than white athletes. It's not debatable, that's why there is a much higher percentage of black players in the NBA opposed to white players. And of those white players, which of them are 'athletic'? Chase Budinger ... who else?
I'm not saying Cook is a better athlete because his skin color, I'm saying he's a better athlete because he's a better athlete. Look at the tape if you need a reminder. Kreiner dunks on fast breaks, if he's under the basket it's a layup. Cook dunks fast breaks, under the basket, it doesn't matter because he doesn't need to build momentum.
Sure the lob and dish isn't exclusive to the 5 position but it's a lot more probable. Jameel McKay wouldn't score a single point if it weren't for lobs and dishes and that's a similar role to what you can expect from Cook albeit Cook is a more skilled player and is more capable of scoring with his back to the basket.

 

[DanL53]

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...196141EB0F7170BAFC56196141EB0F7170BAF&fsscr=0

 

[hawkeyemike23]

This is going to sound really creepy, but what is Kreiner's body like? Is he ready for the B10 or is he going to take a couple years to put on the muscle needed to play post at a high level?

 

[iowaguy88]

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...196141EB0F7170BAFC56196141EB0F7170BAF&fsscr=0

All I gathered from this was Kreiner can have his way with guys half his size and for some reason you use 'Bing' as your search engine...

 

[DanL53]

All I gathered from this was Kreiner can have his way with guys half his size and for some reason you use 'Bing' as your search engine...

Yeah, I don't know why I used 'Bing' and I don't care, I posted what I meant to most.

You are right, Kriener doesn't face guys his size very often. Shame on him. And if it wasn't for those 9' rims I'm sure all the dunks you just saw, including many that didn't require a running start, would not have happened.

I guess we should all just hold off on the kid until he plays against some higher ranked bigs in AAU ball this coming July, 2015, and then if he does very well and in fact outplays not only his competition, but looks better than other guys we've been recruiting? Then, and only then, do we offer.

So, we wait until July of 2015. Fair enough?

 

[RocknRollface]

It seems to me you're the one making this about race. Kreiner and Woody are comparable only because people are calling Kreiner a 5, which is the same position Woody plays. Since you brought up race, I think it's ignorant to ignore the fact that most black athletes are more athletic than white athletes. It's not debatable, that's why there is a much higher percentage of black players in the NBA opposed to white players. And of those white players, which of them are 'athletic'? Chase Budinger ... who else?
I'm not saying Cook is a better athlete because his skin color, I'm saying he's a better athlete because he's a better athlete. Look at the tape if you need a reminder. Kreiner dunks on fast breaks, if he's under the basket it's a layup. Cook dunks fast breaks, under the basket, it doesn't matter because he doesn't need to build momentum.
Sure the lob and dish isn't exclusive to the 5 position but it's a lot more probable. Jameel McKay wouldn't score a single point if it weren't for lobs and dishes and that's a similar role to what you can expect from Cook albeit Cook is a more skilled player and is more capable of scoring with his back to the basket.

How did you mange to completely miss the point? Seriously?

The racial comment was based on you lumping Kriener and Woodbury together when they aren't similar players just similar skin color.

Had absolutely nothing to do with black vs white.

Jumping doesn't dictate who plays what position, period.

None of us know how Fran is going to use either one.

 

[iowaguy88]

Yeah, I don't know why I used 'Bing' and I don't care, I posted what I meant to most.

You are right, Kriener doesn't face guys his size very often. Shame on him. And if it wasn't for those 9' rims I'm sure all the dunks you just saw, including many that didn't require a running start, would not have happened.

I guess we should all just hold off on the kid until he plays against some higher ranked bigs in AAU ball this coming July, 2015, and then if he does very well and in fact outplays not only his competition, but looks better than other guys we've been recruiting? Then, and only then, do we offer.

So, we wait until July of 2015. Fair enough?

Dan, it's 2016. For all I know 2015 was a good year for you, and I hope it was, but that doesn't mean it can be repeated.

 

[iowaguy88]

How did you mange to completely miss the point? Seriously?

The racial comment was based on you lumping Kriener and Woodbury together when they aren't similar players just similar skin color.

Had absolutely nothing to do with black vs white.

Jumping doesn't dictate who plays what position, period.

None of us know how Fran is going to use either one.

How is it a racial comment to lump Kreiner and Woodbury together if there are questions as to whether they'll play the same position or not? Their playing style doesn't matter, nor does their skin color but their position does. As long as Kreiner is talked about in the 5 spot, he can be compared to Eric Hansen, Dwight Howard, Woody, Deandre Jordan or anybody playing the 5 spot.

Kreiner looks like a Kevin Love to me, plays the 4, spaces the floor, scores in a variety of ways. You don't waste that offensive skillset playing in the post. You play Cook in the post who is much more explosive at not only finishing, getting boards, contesting shots but also is limited offensively to about 12 feet on in from the basket.

 

[hawk_it]

I would guess where the 4 or 5 plays offense might be different than where they play on defense. Match ups are key to both.

 

[DanL53]

Dan, it's 2016. For all I know 2015 was a good year for you, and I hope it was, but that doesn't mean it can be repeated.

Point is Kriener was offered after the summer AAU games. Games where he played against much bigger players than in high school.

 

[RocknRollface]

How is it a racial comment to lump Kreiner and Woodbury together if there are questions as to whether they'll play the same position or not? Their playing style doesn't matter, nor does their skin color but their position does. As long as Kreiner is talked about in the 5 spot, he can be compared to Eric Hansen, Dwight Howard, Woody, Deandre Jordan or anybody playing the 5 spot.

Kreiner looks like a Kevin Love to me, plays the 4, spaces the floor, scores in a variety of ways. You don't waste that offensive skillset playing in the post. You play Cook in the post who is much more explosive at not only finishing, getting boards, contesting shots but also is limited offensively to about 12 feet on in from the basket.

You specifically compared his ability to finish to Woodbury, when based on videos he can clearly get above the rim much easier.

Woodbury obviously didn't dunk much in high school either. RK dunks allot.

I don't care where he plays but his ability to finish above the rim is obviously much better.

 

[Ronman]

All I gathered from this was Kreiner can have his way with guys half his size and for some reason you use 'Bing' as your search engine...

That's all you took from that video? Really? You didn't like the kid's footwork in the post? You didn't like his passing? His ball handling or quickness? Just his dunks, huh?

 

[hawk_it]

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...196141EB0F7170BAFC56196141EB0F7170BAF&fsscr=0

Who is that masked man!

Just watched the video of Ryan Kriener. Great passing, court presence, movement without the ball. He can create shots, is good on the break, finishes = a whole lot of great intangibles. Obviously has hops with a nice vertical, and some handles.

Really glad he chose (in a Brent Musburger voice): "The Hawkeyes"!

Lets see after couple of years, a... a... front court (4 or 5 spot) of Uhl, Wagner, Cook, Kriener, and Pemsl.

Darth vader voice: Impressive!

 

[go-hawks37]

Interesting discussion. In Fran's system I really don't think it matters. Also college basketball really seems to be moving to more guards and forwards. Michigan State loves to play big physical 6'8" to 6'10 kids. Some black some white doesn't matter, can they play matters. I think our guys (Cook, Pemsl, Jones, Kriener, Uhl, Wagner) fit that mold. Big strong physical guys that can play.

I don't think the high school season has much impact on recruiting for D1 basketball players. During the high school games D1 coaches are wstching how they handle themselves with coaches, teammates and refs. The talent evaluation is done in July in places like Milwaukee, Las Vegas and Louisville or wherever else the top talent is brought in. Fans sit on one side coaches on the other. If you can play against the top talent it gets sniffed out pretty quick and offers are made. If you can't play that gets exposed even faster and your sent home for D3 schools to recruit you during the HS season. Sorry if it seems harsh but that is about how it works.

 

[unoHawkeye]

FWIW, if Cook wants to make the NBA (and with his potential and the offers he received, I'm guessing he feels that he can), it's going to be as a 4, not a 5. That's the position he will need to learn.

And Chase Budinger is the only athletic white player you can name in the NBA? haha

 

[Vbeachawk]

I hope Kreiner is a physical player, hard worker and plays with an attitude.

 

[hawk_it]

Watching the video, Ryan Kriener just seems to fit Iowa's offensive schemes. It is like some of Spirit Lakes style of play is what we see at Iowa. Freshmen all have a learning curve but by his 2nd year he should really contribute.

 

[iowaguy88]

FWIW, if Cook wants to make the NBA (and with his potential and the offers he received, I'm guessing he feels that he can), it's going to be as a 4, not a 5. That's the position he will need to learn.

And Chase Budinger is the only athletic white player you can name in the NBA? haha

Off the top of my head, yes. Who is a white NBA player that's athletic by NBA terms? Most are well below average by NBA terms.

Nowitzki, Hinrich, Love, McDermott, Korver, Collison, Dellavadova, Reddick, Gasol brothers, Mike Miller... all far from being 'athletic'. So who am I missing when I only listed Budinger? Contestant in the dunk contest, supremely athletic.