for the so called experts on here

[gilligan19]

please show proof and/or creditals that qualify to state as fact that certain player can't/won't and player can't/won't play the powition they were recruited to play,

this proof can be by NBA GM, HC or paid NBA Talent Scout
this could also be proven by showing you are a College HC or assistant College coach'
or being associated with a AAU team,

thank you for your time and any proof you may have, when stating opinions as absolute facts.

 

[DanL53]

What's a powition? I know, you have trouble typing. It was just a joke.

As to the rest, didn't you say Wagner can't play center because he's too short?

 

[33hawkfan]

You tell em, Fran not using Woody as pg really held this team back. He honestly couldn't have done worse than Gesell at the end of games.

 

[MepoDawg#]

please show proof and/or creditals that qualify to state as fact that certain player can't/won't and player can't/won't play the powition they were recruited to play,

this proof can be by NBA GM, HC or paid NBA Talent Scout
this could also be proven by showing you are a College HC or assistant College coach'
or being associated with a AAU team,

thank you for your time and any proof you may have, when stating opinions as absolute facts.

Do you understand what message boards are for?

 

[nu2u]

please show proof and/or creditals

show my genitals?

C'mon man this is getting out of hand (no pun intended).

 

[gilligan19]

What's a powition? Forward lineup I know, you have trouble typing. It was just a joke.

As to the rest, didn't you say Wagner can't play center because he's too short?

Wagner I said could play the 3-4 and 5 spot, as for him playing center not so much, in a 3 forward line up he can play the 5, just like Uhl did last year he only played the 5 when Fran had 3 forward on the floor at the same time, this was done when Woody was either taking a breather or got into foul trouble.

this is why in my thread about POSSIBLE LINEUPS I went with these 2.

a all Freshman line up
PG Bohannon
SG RSFR Moss
SF FR Pemsyl
PF FR Cook
C FR Kriener
those could be the starters as a group in 2-3 years not that it couldn't happen this fall

my opinion and mine alone is this and it has not changed
PG SO William
SG SR Jok
SF JR Uhl
PF FR Cook
C FR Kriener,

why do I have this opinion? simple in the 12-13 season the starting line up looked like this
PG FR Clemmons
SG FR Gesell 4*
SF JR Marble
PF SO White
C FR Woodbury 4* and that group won 25 games enroute to the NIT Championship game

again this is my opinion and I don't try to ram it down anybodies throat as being a absolute fact
nor do I try to ram it down peoples throats as saying certain player CAN'T/WON'T start or play
the position that Fran recruited them to play.

 

[gilligan19]

Do you understand what message boards are for?

yes they are for discussing and giving ones opinion BUT they ARE not for trying to ram them down people throats as being absolute facts.

 

[icwesthawk]

I think the op needs to calm down. There are lots of things written on these blogs that trouble a lot of us. It's peoples opinions in most cases, not facts. If it bothers you so much, turn off the computer and go for a run.

 

[David1979]

Gilligan19 1* poster by Rivals, 1* poster by Scout, 1* by 247, 4* by ESPN.

Pemsl is not a small forward. Fact
Kreiner won't be a starter. Fact

No opinion necessary. All that is needed is a brain.

Absolutely zero point to putting 4* by Gessel and Woodbury in post about 2012-2013 lineup

 

[ichawk24]

But when the ball go in the basket, the simple things in life are best.

PG SO 4* Smith
SF SR 3# Joyhnson
SG FR 5% Yolo

Fran is the man and we trust in hinm, though the rest of you morongs don't know anything. Teh truth is in the pudding.

 

[hawksauce]

Wagner I said could play the 3-4 and 5 spot, as for him playing center not so much, in a 3 forward line up he can play the 5, just like Uhl did last year he only played the 5 when Fran had 3 forward on the floor at the same time, this was done when Woody was either taking a breather or got into foul trouble.

Wagner playing the 3? No way. I'm happy we'll finally have somebody even remotely athletic playing the 5 spot. Before its all said and done I think we will all be happy to have Wagner getting shit done down low for us.

 

[hooper56]

Well I was a longtime scout for the Toronto Raptors. I covered Northern Manitoba and discovered many players that other NBA teams were unaware of. Ever heard of Dick "icehole" Bently? I didn't think so. That kid was 1/2 Cree and could shoot from anywhere after he crossed half court. I got him a tryout but for reasons unknown the team did not sign him. Then there was "Bearskin" Mulligan who was a post player. Sadly he was only about 6'4" but I am telling ya that kid could battle with the best of them and was a big dunker. Then there was the kid from Indian Springs whose name escapes me. He played in the summer league and was a jet.

Given my obvious credentials I say Pemsl is a 3/4 combo forward. A hybrid if you would. He is no Terry "Jackfish" Perkins but the kid has handles that's for sure. Wagner can play the post (in college) even though he lacks height. He is strong and has a very long reach. To do so he will have to front his man and get good weakside help. You remember those great teams from Lynn Lake with Sled dog McGee? They never had any treetoppers and look how well they did!

More than one way to skin a cat.

 

[RocknRollface]

I'll never understand why people respond to him.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

yes they are for discussing and giving ones opinion BUT they ARE not for trying to ram them down people throats as being absolute facts.

Please re read what you just wrote and apply that to yourself.

You could have also added something about posting incorrect information which you've done your fair share here too.

 

[Jan Itor]

Do you understand what message boards are for?

Obviously not.

 

[Letsgohawks411]

One thing is for sure, not too many 2* and 3* white guys taking up space on NBA rosters....

 

[hansenhawk]

Ellingson: My eyes

That's all I got.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

Well I was a longtime scout for the Toronto Raptors. I covered Northern Manitoba and discovered many players that other NBA teams were unaware of. Ever heard of Dick "icehole" Bently? I didn't think so. That kid was 1/2 Cree and could shoot from anywhere after he crossed half court. I got him a tryout but for reasons unknown the team did not sign him. Then there was "Bearskin" Mulligan who was a post player. Sadly he was only about 6'4" but I am telling ya that kid could battle with the best of them and was a big dunker. Then there was the kid from Indian Springs whose name escapes me. He played in the summer league and was a jet.

Given my obvious credentials I say Pemsl is a 3/4 combo forward. A hybrid if you would. He is no Terry "Jackfish" Perkins but the kid has handles that's for sure. Wagner can play the post (in college) even though he lacks height. He is strong and has a very long reach. To do so he will have to front his man and get good weakside help. You remember those great teams from Lynn Lake with Sled dog McGee? They never had any treetoppers and look how well they did!

More than one way to skin a cat.

I saw Perkins once...it was like the kid never even dribbled he had such command of the ball. Made Curly Neal look like a bumbling buffoon.

 

[hooper56]

I saw Perkins once...it was like the kid never even dribbled he had such command of the ball. Made Curly Neal look like a bumbling buffoon.

Exactly. You could never see him even dribble his hands were so quick. Never recall him being called for travelling though. Got hit for "palming" one time but you couldn't see it even in slo-mo.

 

[amahawk]

please show proof and/or creditals that qualify to state as fact that certain player can't/won't and player can't/won't play the powition they were recruited to play,

this proof can be by NBA GM, HC or paid NBA Talent Scout
this could also be proven by showing you are a College HC or assistant College coach'
or being associated with a AAU team,

thank you for your time and any proof you may have, when stating opinions as absolute facts.

The Lord God, The Eternal creator gave me the wisdom of Solomon regarding basketball.

 

[nu2u]

Ellingson: My eyes

That's all I got.

I'll take your word for it then.

..... because its not like you've ever been wrong before.

 

[gilligan19]

CAN hmmm seem to recall saying Wagner can play the 3-4 and 5, that leaves a lot of options, in my opinion he reminds me of Basabe, Wagner if he developes a consistant outside shot he will play the 3, also in my opinion I said Wagner can play the 5 in a 3 forward lineup,

again I also said he is not a Center in the true sense of what Center is,

here is another possible lineup
PG Williams could be used like Clemmons and Gesell but with the players on the roster now WON'T HAVE TO.
SG Jok SG/WG not really a true SF, but the difference between a SF and a WG is in how they are used.
SF Uhl another that played the 5 in a 3 forward lineup
PF Wagner limited in distance on shooting, Basabe only took 1 3 in the 4 years he was here.
C Cook can and has played both the center and PF. but he reminds me of Reggie Evans so is better suited to play the PF,

and I am still waiting on the WHY Kriener won't/can't start at center this fall? don't give me this

FACT Kriener won't start BS I WANT A REASON.

 

[hawksense]

For God's sake.....

That's all I got.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Wagner playing the 3? No way. I'm happy we'll finally have somebody even remotely athletic playing the 5 spot. Before its all said and done I think we will all be happy to have Wagner getting shit done down low for us.

To be fair, Wagner could probably defend the 3 position, but you're right. Not enough offensive versatility to ever actually play it.

 

[gilligan19]

Gilligan19 1* poster by Rivals, 1* poster by Scout, 1* by 247, 4* by ESPN.

Pemsl is not a small forward. Fact
Kreiner won't be a starter. Fact

No opinion necessary. All that is needed is a brain.

Absolutely zero point to putting 4* by Gessel and Woodbury in post about 2012-2013 lineup

tell Fran that and see how far it gets you.

as for the star rating of Gesell and Woodbury only a hater does admit what they did for this team and that's a FACT. Pemsyl was recruited by Fran as a SF in HS and AAU BB he played the SF his HS Coach labels him a SF.
Pemsyl is a SF FACT.

now give me a reason why Kriener CAN'T/WON'T start at center. other than the opinion of a piss ant nobody like yourself.

 

[spbc7]

now give me a reason why Kriener CAN'T/WON'T start at center. other than the opinion of a piss ant nobody like yourself.

Because he isn't physcially ready to play the 5. He will need substantial time in the weight room before he can start.

 

[Tunadog]

CAN hmmm seem to recall saying Wagner can play the 3-4 and 5, that leaves a lot of options, in my opinion he reminds me of Basabe, Wagner if he developes a consistant outside shot he will play the 3, also in my opinion I said Wagner can play the 5 in a 3 forward lineup,

again I also said he is not a Center in the true sense of what Center is,

here is another possible lineup
PG Williams could be used like Clemmons and Gesell but with the players on the roster now WON'T HAVE TO.
SG Jok SG/WG not really a true SF, but the difference between a SF and a WG is in how they are used.
SF Uhl another that played the 5 in a 3 forward lineup
PF Wagner limited in distance on shooting, Basabe only took 1 3 in the 4 years he was here.
C Cook can and has played both the center and PF. but he reminds me of Reggie Evans so is better suited to play the PF,

and I am still waiting on the WHY Kriener won't/can't start at center this fall? don't give me this

FACT Kriener won't start BS I WANT A REASON.

CAN hmmm? What the hell does this mean? Jesus, Kilroid, you've made hundreds of terrible posts on this board, but today's are your absolute worst. I don't even know what point you're trying to make. Wait until your medication kicks in, come back later and try again. Or maybe it's the medication that's causing this lunacy? If this is the case, wait until it wears off. My God, man, you're approaching shit house rat crazy, if you aren't already there.

 

[David1979]

tell Fran that and see how far it gets you.

as for the star rating of Gesell and Woodbury only a hater does admit what they did for this team and that's a FACT. Pemsyl was recruited by Fran as a SF in HS and AAU BB he played the SF his HS Coach labels him a SF.
Pemsyl is a SF FACT.

now give me a reason why Kriener CAN'T/WON'T start at center. other than the opinion of a piss ant nobody like yourself.

Tell Fran what? Your star ratings?
Only a hater admits what they have done for the team? That sounds like the opposite of a hater. And again what was the point of putting stars by their names?
Pemsl could play some SF in a pinch but he is more suited to playing the 4 especially if he has to guard an athletic wing player like a Miles Bridges. He would get worked. And I believe they told him they envisioned him as a stretch 4 type of player.
Iowa will be playing a lot smaller next year without Woodbury. Iowa doesn't need a true center.
Kriener is going to need to develop before he sees the floor. Wagner, Cook, Uhl, and Pemsl are all better than him and can all rotate in the 4/5 spots. He just isn't good enough to start. That is the reason. That is like if someone said last year that Ellingson was going to start and to give them a reason why he won't. (I wouldn't be surprised if you said he would start). The fact that you think he is going to start is the questionable opinion because there is nothing to suggest he is going to.

 

[hooper56]

CAN hmmm seem to recall saying Wagner can play the 3-4 and 5, that leaves a lot of options, in my opinion he reminds me of Basabe, Wagner if he developes a consistant outside shot he will play the 3, also in my opinion I said Wagner can play the 5 in a 3 forward lineup,

again I also said he is not a Center in the true sense of what Center is,

here is another possible lineup
PG Williams could be used like Clemmons and Gesell but with the players on the roster now WON'T HAVE TO.
SG Jok SG/WG not really a true SF, but the difference between a SF and a WG is in how they are used.
SF Uhl another that played the 5 in a 3 forward lineup
PF Wagner limited in distance on shooting, Basabe only took 1 3 in the 4 years he was here.
C Cook can and has played both the center and PF. but he reminds me of Reggie Evans so is better suited to play the PF,

and I am still waiting on the WHY Kriener won't/can't start at center this fall? don't give me this

FACT Kriener won't start BS I WANT A REASON.

WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS?!?!?!?!

 

[33hawkfan]

CAN hmmm seem to recall saying Wagner can play the 3-4 and 5, that leaves a lot of options, in my opinion he reminds me of Basabe, Wagner if he developes a consistant outside shot he will play the 3, also in my opinion I said Wagner can play the 5 in a 3 forward lineup,

again I also said he is not a Center in the true sense of what Center is,

here is another possible lineup
PG Williams could be used like Clemmons and Gesell but with the players on the roster now WON'T HAVE TO.
SG Jok SG/WG not really a true SF, but the difference between a SF and a WG is in how they are used.
SF Uhl another that played the 5 in a 3 forward lineup
PF Wagner limited in distance on shooting, Basabe only took 1 3 in the 4 years he was here.
C Cook can and has played both the center and PF. but he reminds me of Reggie Evans so is better suited to play the PF,

and I am still waiting on the WHY Kriener won't/can't start at center this fall? don't give me this

FACT Kriener won't start BS I WANT A REASON.

Why can't Wagner play the 2? Is this because he's a 2* recruit?

 

[pocha444444]

Kilroy's back!

 

[Chewback]

What's a powition?

It's like a credital only different.

 

[Tunadog]

It's like a credital only different.

What's a credital?

 

[DanL53]

What's a credital?

Different from a powition but similar.

 

[Cydkar]

And people make fun of CF (I do).

 

[hansenhawk]

Fran keeps Ellingson, can't keep Fleming.

Still think he's doing it wrong.

 

[RocknRollface]

Fran keeps Ellingson, can't keep Fleming.

Still think he's doing it wrong.

Flemming couldn't beat out Ellingson for minutes. Flemming was doing it wrong.

 

[RocknRollface]

Will those of you who, for some reason, can't resist responding to the insanity just put him on ignore?

Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to argue with an insane person? Think about it.

 

[pocha444444]

You been under a rock? The fuker has been back and rattling these boards for awhile now.

I try to stay away and can't keep up with is ever changing user names.

 

[FranklinHawk]

Will those of you who, for some reason, can't resist responding to the insanity just put him on ignore?

Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to argue with an insane person? Think about it.

To be fair, it is kind of fun....