for the so called experts on here

[gilligan19]

Tell Fran what? Your star ratings?
Only a hater admits what they have done for the team? That sounds like the opposite of a hater. And again what was the point of putting stars by their names?
Pemsl could play some SF in a pinch but he is more suited to playing the 4 especially if he has to guard an athletic wing player like a Miles Bridges. He would get worked. And I believe they told him they envisioned him as a stretch 4 type of player.
Iowa will be playing a lot smaller next year without Woodbury. Iowa doesn't need a true center.
Kriener is going to need to develop before he sees the floor. Wagner, Cook, Uhl, and Pemsl are all better than him and can all rotate in the 4/5 spots. He just isn't good enough to start. That is the reason. That is like if someone said last year that Ellingson was going to start and to give them a reason why he won't. (I wouldn't be surprised if you said he would start). The fact that you think he is going to start is the questionable opinion because there is nothing to suggest he is going to.

again you are stating only your opinion as a absolute fact. with absolutely nothing to base it on. also who on this team will or can match up with Purdue's 7'2 center Hass? the BT has to many 6'10 + players to try and match up a 6'7 player against,

like a stated in the 2017 class has offered these so I doubt he agrees with your assertation that does not need a big. but here they are again
5* C 6'10 Tilman
4* F/C 6'11 Williams
4* PF 6'10 Culver. and again you are making a fool of yourself by saying Fran does not need or is going to use them and Kriener does need all this time to get ready to play,

after 6 years Fran does not recruit players that need 2-3 years to develop, right now Kriener is as the same point as Olaseni was as a JR. but you keep trying to belittle Kriener and thinking you know more than the IA coaches.

 

[RocknRollface]

To be fair, it is kind of fun....

Im all for having fun with him but people try to have a serious discussion with him and it will do nothing but drive you insane like him.

 

[gilligan19]

Im all for having fun with him but people try to have a serious discussion with him and it will do nothing but drive you insane like him.

you won't have to worry as I was told how to put people on ignore so buh bye.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

 

[CAHawk93]

From my grandfather who lives in NW Iowa and has seen Kreiner play multiples: he is not ready to start in the Big Ten and probably isn't even the best big man from around there.

 

[RocknRollface]

you won't have to worry as I was told how to put people on ignore so buh bye.

Just seek help Herbroy.

Your being on here isn't good for anyone.

 

[Auger]

Well I was a longtime scout for the Toronto Raptors. I covered Northern Manitoba and discovered many players that other NBA teams were unaware of. Ever heard of Dick "icehole" Bently? I didn't think so. That kid was 1/2 Cree and could shoot from anywhere after he crossed half court. I got him a tryout but for reasons unknown the team did not sign him. Then there was "Bearskin" Mulligan who was a post player. Sadly he was only about 6'4" but I am telling ya that kid could battle with the best of them and was a big dunker. Then there was the kid from Indian Springs whose name escapes me. He played in the summer league and was a jet.

Given my obvious credentials I say Pemsl is a 3/4 combo forward. A hybrid if you would. He is no Terry "Jackfish" Perkins but the kid has handles that's for sure. Wagner can play the post (in college) even though he lacks height. He is strong and has a very long reach. To do so he will have to front his man and get good weakside help. You remember those great teams from Lynn Lake with Sled dog McGee? They never had any treetoppers and look how well they did!

More than one way to skin a cat.

Were you the scout that found Muskrat Johnson the dude that nobody could guard due to his lazy eye?

 

[HawkamongstGophers]

From my grandfather who lives in NW Iowa and has seen Kreiner play multiples: he is not ready to start in the Big Ten and probably isn't even the best big man from around there.

So in your Grandfather's opinion, Fran not only recruited a "not ready" player, which had multiple D1 offers and interest from multiple B1G schools, he screwed up so bad he missed the BETTER, player from NW Iowa. You know that powerhouse area known for producing multiple, high major, center prospects. So tell us which Power 5, blue blood, did this unnamed superstar sign with?

Seriously, think about just how foolish and arguably arrogant, your grandfather, or at least the thought process you attribute to him, sounds! Per your scenario, not only did Iowa's coach, with a 25 year coaching resume, miss on Kriener AND an even BETTER big man, apparently many other D1 coaches also erred on recruiting/offering Kriener, as well as essentially ALL other power 5 coaches Missed this "better big man" as well!

Seriously? You're sticking with that? LOL

 

[SotaHawk87]

you won't have to worry as I was told how to put people on ignore so buh bye.

K I have a fact. Coach friend of mine knows Sperow very well. Kreiner will be a big time project and has absolutely zero chance of starting.. There's your fact, not just an opinion! So in true classic Kilroy fashion you'll shut down and not respond or admit you're wrong! You'll move over to the football board to explain that Rudock is better than Beathard..

 

[CAHawk93]

So in your Grandfather's opinion, Fran not only recruited a "not ready" player, which had multiple D1 offers and interest from multiple B1G schools, he screwed up so bad he missed the BETTER, player from NW Iowa. You know that powerhouse area known for producing multiple, high major, center prospects. So tell us which Power 5, blue blood, did this unnamed superstar sign with?

Seriously, think about just how foolish and arguably arrogant, your grandfather, or at least the thought process you attribute to him, sounds! Per your scenario, not only did Iowa's coach, with a 25 year coaching resume, miss on Kriener AND an even BETTER big man, apparently many other D1 coaches also erred on recruiting/offering Kriener, as well as essentially ALL other power 5 coaches Missed this "better big man" as well!

Seriously? You're sticking with that? LOL

1. Not ready doesn't mean that he's worthless or won't be good with Fran's coaching (although I do have an opinion on Fran's skill development that I would guess is different that yours).
2. Screwed up? Maybe, but Fran is probably thinking Kreiner has a better frame and athleticism to grow into.
3. As for the Power 5 schools interest: I'm thinking they are thinking like Fran. Overlooking someone who is near or at their ceiling and going for potential.
4. Bashing the area for not producing top talent is hilarious when Kreiner is in the same conference so...
5. 6'8" center gets trounced by an average of 36 points head to head with said better player and doesn't make it far in playoffs? Yeah that's what I'm sticking with.

 

[MepoDawg#]

1. Not ready doesn't mean that he's worthless or won't be good with Fran's coaching (although I do have an opinion on Fran's skill development that I would guess is different that yours).
2. Screwed up? Maybe, but Fran is probably thinking Kreiner has a better frame and athleticism to grow into.
3. As for the Power 5 schools interest: I'm thinking they are thinking like Fran. Overlooking someone who is near or at their ceiling and going for potential.
4. Bashing the area for not producing top talent is hilarious when Kreiner is in the same conference so...
5. 6'8" center gets trounced by an average of 36 points head to head with said better player and doesn't make it far in playoffs? Yeah that's what I'm sticking with.

Who is it then?

 

[go-hawks37]

Recently Kriener and VanLingen were at the Iowa Basketball Coaches Association All Star game. The Association selects the top ten kids from each quadrant of the state. Van Lingen and Kriener were on the same team representing NW Iowa. From the minute warm-ups started it was very evident who the best college prospect was. Kriener's dunks were very impressive. Kriener dominated the game against NE Iowa All-stars which included Bohannon. I will add that it was clear that Bohannon was the best guard that day. You can look at the stats on the Iowa Basketball Coaches website. Kriener had 29 in the first game and Van Lingen 2, second game Kriener 27 and Van Lingen 8. Tristen Bohr from Cresco played for the NE All Stars and gave Van Lingen fits. Routinely blocking his shot. Van Lingen is a great player but one needs to remember he was fortunate to play with one of the best teams and coaches in the State. Spirit Lake had one other good player but it is possible most of the rest of the roster was no where close to the talent at Western. There is a reason many Power 5 schools offered Kriener and more were coming. His total offer list was more then 25 D1 schools. VanLingen was a known commodity in Iowa hoops for 4 years and all college coaches new about him. If they thought he could play D1 they would've offered. In the end, and watching him at the All Star game he ended up at the right place. Hank Huddleson (Martin Brothers AAU)stated in an interview that Kriener would have a good high school career but a better college career. Van Lingen had a great high school career but doesn't mean it will necessarily translate into a great college career. I'll go with the opinion of coaching staffs at over 25 D1 programs and an AAU coach who has coached the top talent from Iowa over the past two decades and you can go with your grandpa's opinion.

 

[Auger]

K I have a fact. Coach friend of mine knows Sperow very well. Kreiner will be a big time project and has absolutely zero chance of starting.. There's your fact, not just an opinion! So in true classic Kilroy fashion you'll shut down and not respond or admit you're wrong! You'll move over to the football board to explain that Rudock is better than Beathard..

Hhmmm interesting what you just said would add some weight to something I heard from a friend that I dismissed as some bs made up rumor.

 

[CyCity]

again you are stating only your opinion as a absolute fact. with absolutely nothing to base it on. also who on this team will or can match up with Purdue's 7'2 center Hass? the BT has to many 6'10 + players to try and match up a 6'7 player against,

like a stated in the 2017 class has offered these so I doubt he agrees with your assertation that does not need a big. but here they are again
5* C 6'10 Tilman
4* F/C 6'11 Williams
4* PF 6'10 Culver. and again you are making a fool of yourself by saying Fran does not need or is going to use them and Kriener does need all this time to get ready to play,

after 6 years Fran does not recruit players that need 2-3 years to develop, right now Kriener is as the same point as Olaseni was as a JR. but you keep trying to belittle Kriener and thinking you know more than the IA coaches.

If he was as good as Olaseni was as a Junior he probably would have had more and better offers.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

I can play the 5. Remember that fat dude with the cute nickname (Big Baby?) who I think played for the Celtics? Picture him, but 6" shorter and white, with less skill.

 

[BGHAWK]

WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS?!?!?!?!

He didn't say credentials, he said creditals, whatever the heck those are. Not in my dictionary, but then mine is 20 years old.

 

[hawkssox1]

[play the powition they were recruited to play,

Silly wabbit!!

 

[Steve Waite]

Recently Kriener and VanLingen were at the Iowa Basketball Coaches Association All Star game. The Association selects the top ten kids from each quadrant of the state. Van Lingen and Kriener were on the same team representing NW Iowa. From the minute warm-ups started it was very evident who the best college prospect was. Kriener's dunks were very impressive. Kriener dominated the game against NE Iowa All-stars which included Bohannon. I will add that it was clear that Bohannon was the best guard that day. You can look at the stats on the Iowa Basketball Coaches website. Kriener had 29 in the first game and Van Lingen 2, second game Kriener 27 and Van Lingen 8. Tristen Bohr from Cresco played for the NE All Stars and gave Van Lingen fits. Routinely blocking his shot. Van Lingen is a great player but one needs to remember he was fortunate to play with one of the best teams and coaches in the State. Spirit Lake had one other good player but it is possible most of the rest of the roster was no where close to the talent at Western. There is a reason many Power 5 schools offered Kriener and more were coming. His total offer list was more then 25 D1 schools. VanLingen was a known commodity in Iowa hoops for 4 years and all college coaches new about him. If they thought he could play D1 they would've offered. In the end, and watching him at the All Star game he ended up at the right place. Hank Huddleson (Martin Brothers AAU)stated in an interview that Kriener would have a good high school career but a better college career. Van Lingen had a great high school career but doesn't mean it will necessarily translate into a great college career. I'll go with the opinion of coaching staffs at over 25 D1 programs and an AAU coach who has coached the top talent from Iowa over the past two decades and you can go with your grandpa's opinion.

Game, set, match!

 

[hooper56]

Were you the scout that found Muskrat Johnson the dude that nobody could guard due to his lazy eye?

Yes but by the time I got the big boys interested Johnson had that pelvis displacement which affected his ability to guard. Well that and he was also a drunk.

 

[CAHawk93]

Recently Kriener and VanLingen were at the Iowa Basketball Coaches Association All Star game. The Association selects the top ten kids from each quadrant of the state. Van Lingen and Kriener were on the same team representing NW Iowa. From the minute warm-ups started it was very evident who the best college prospect was. Kriener's dunks were very impressive. Kriener dominated the game against NE Iowa All-stars which included Bohannon. I will add that it was clear that Bohannon was the best guard that day. You can look at the stats on the Iowa Basketball Coaches website. Kriener had 29 in the first game and Van Lingen 2, second game Kriener 27 and Van Lingen 8. Tristen Bohr from Cresco played for the NE All Stars and gave Van Lingen fits. Routinely blocking his shot. Van Lingen is a great player but one needs to remember he was fortunate to play with one of the best teams and coaches in the State. Spirit Lake had one other good player but it is possible most of the rest of the roster was no where close to the talent at Western. There is a reason many Power 5 schools offered Kriener and more were coming. His total offer list was more then 25 D1 schools. VanLingen was a known commodity in Iowa hoops for 4 years and all college coaches new about him. If they thought he could play D1 they would've offered. In the end, and watching him at the All Star game he ended up at the right place. Hank Huddleson (Martin Brothers AAU)stated in an interview that Kriener would have a good high school career but a better college career. Van Lingen had a great high school career but doesn't mean it will necessarily translate into a great college career. I'll go with the opinion of coaching staffs at over 25 D1 programs and an AAU coach who has coached the top talent from Iowa over the past two decades and you can go with your grandpa's opinion.

I think we agree that careers don't always translate which I pointed out. Look, I hope Ryan takes off at Iowa, that would be great. But when someone who coached for a long time in Iowa says something like that, I'm not going to ignore it.

I also go back to head to head match ups. If Van Lingen isn't as good, why couldn't Kriener stop him? Honestly if anyone watched those games please chime in. I live in CA. Yes western is better but we're they guarding each other? Did the two teams double team Kriener/Van Lingen? Maybe it was a bad match up for Kriener, but what does that say about how he will do against B10 competition?
I've watched a team with Reeves Nelson (went to UCLA) obliterate a school with no D1 or D2 talent and the team that lost had their "guy" still go get 20. So why couldn't Kriener do it against a guy going to an NAIA school?

 

[go-hawks37]

Didn't guard each other. Western typically had a 6'7" or 6'9" kid guard him with Van Lingen in help position. Ball side guard would layoff and double or triple down. Don't get me wrong Van Lingen is very good. Kriener didn't guard Van Lingen. SL typically put a 6'3" athlete on VanLingen the last two years.

 

[SotaHawk87]

I have no doubt Kreiner can and will be good and contribute, it just won't be year one. Minutes? Yes. I personally think it'll be a pretty rough though! Love his upside though..

 

[RockEyeState]

What's a powition? I know, you have trouble typing. It was just a joke.

As to the rest, didn't you say Wagner can't play center because he's too short?

LOL........however, I cannot believe you folks let this 'expert' thread go on, this far without me in here. (A self-anointed HOOPS expert, fo sho)

 

[DanL53]

LOL........however, I cannot believe you folks let this 'expert' thread go on, this far without me in here. (A self-anointed HOOPS expert, fo sho)

We've been needing an expert in here. In a round about way I'm an expert on shooting potential from 7' to 13' feet out, don't know crud about the rest. I can spot an outstanding jumper, regarding length but not height. So, you know I should be able to say who can jump at the free throw line and still shoot a layup.

My big claim to fame is serpentine. I can spot a great serpentine player.

 

[amahawk]

LOL........however, I cannot believe you folks let this 'expert' thread go on, this far without me in here. (A self-anointed HOOPS expert, fo sho)

If any of us were experts we would be coaching in the NBA or high level college programs. We would not be spending time on this message board.
I also include myself in this category.

 

[David1979]

again you are stating only your opinion as a absolute fact. with absolutely nothing to base it on. also who on this team will or can match up with Purdue's 7'2 center Hass? the BT has to many 6'10 + players to try and match up a 6'7 player against,

like a stated in the 2017 class has offered these so I doubt he agrees with your assertation that does not need a big. but here they are again
5* C 6'10 Tilman
4* F/C 6'11 Williams
4* PF 6'10 Culver. and again you are making a fool of yourself by saying Fran does not need or is going to use them and Kriener does need all this time to get ready to play,

after 6 years Fran does not recruit players that need 2-3 years to develop, right now Kriener is as the same point as Olaseni was as a JR. but you keep trying to belittle Kriener and thinking you know more than the IA coaches.

You obviously no nothing about basketball. #FACT
And I agree with the first bolded part. Kriener needs to time to get ready to play.
The second bolded part is just completely false.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Because he isn't physcially ready to play the 5. He will need substantial time in the weight room before he can start.

I hate to agree with that guy, but Kreiner is 6'9" & 240lbs. That would be 10 pounds less than Woody, and 2nd most on last seasons team. He has 7 months to pump some iron before the season starts too. He will be more physically ready than most will expect- assuming he hits the weights and tones up. Which he better be. This is B1G ball. We need him.

 

[spbc7]

I hate to agree with that guy, but Kreiner is 6'9" & 240lbs. That would be 10 pounds less than Woody, and 2nd most on last seasons team. He has 7 months to pump some iron before the season starts too. He will be more physically ready than most will expect- assuming he hits the weights and tones up. Which he better be. This is B1G ball. We need him.

Just looking at him you can tell that's not a muscular 240 though. He's going to need to be strong enough to guard guys like Haas, Bryant, and Happ, yet in good enough shape to play significant minutes. He doesnt have the athleticism/length that other post defenders have to make up for it.

 

[hawkeyefanatic84]

My guess at the starting lineup next year is

Williams
Jok
Baer
Cook
Wagner/Uhl

I'm really torn on Wagner or Uhl starting. If Dom bulks up a little more and improves his rebounding I think he starts but if not I think Wagner starts. Then Uhl could slide down and take Cook's spot. Uhl definitely as the talent to be a good starter imo, but whatever happened 2nd half of the season needs to be fixed before he can be counted on to be a starter. I think Baer is a lock to start for us.

As for the Wagner at the 3 argument, no that will never happen. Doesn't have the offensive game to play the 3 and even if he develops a decent mid range shot it still won't happen. Spacing is very important and that would really hurt our spacing on the floor.

 

[BIG Bick]

please show proof and/or creditals that qualify to state as fact that certain player can't/won't and player can't/won't play the powition they were recruited to play,

this proof can be by NBA GM, HC or paid NBA Talent Scout
this could also be proven by showing you are a College HC or assistant College coach'
or being associated with a AAU team,

thank you for your time and any proof you may have, when stating opinions as absolute facts.

Hey Gilligan, find another island to play on !!

 

[RocknRollface]

Just looking at him you can tell that's not a muscular 240 though. He's going to need to be strong enough to guard guys like Haas, Bryant, and Happ, yet in good enough shape to play significant minutes. He doesnt have the athleticism/length that other post defenders have to make up for it.

Honestly I have no clue what Kriener can or can't do.

But, he has pretty good length at 6'9 with a 7'2 wing span and I don't know that any of the trio of Hass, Bryant or Happ are all that athletic.

I don't see him having a size/athleticism issue compare to the rest of the conference. More along the lines of allot of freshman.... strength, stamina, experience, skill development.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Just looking at him you can tell that's not a muscular 240 though. He's going to need to be strong enough to guard guys like Haas, Bryant, and Happ, yet in good enough shape to play significant minutes. He doesnt have the athleticism/length that other post defenders have to make up for it.

I know what you mean, he does not look like the tone type. But that does not mean he is not that strong, we will see. His athleticism does seem ok, but again we will see...

As for length, he has more than Woody, and is a couple inches shorter. His wingspan is over 7'. He has length. And he can move with the ball. Those are some qualities that had Fran wanting to take him. In Fran we trust.

I am looking forward to seeing what he can do in a few months in PTL. And 7 months when the season starts...

 

[brokenarrow73]

What's a powition? I know, you have trouble typing. It was just a joke.

As to the rest, didn't you say Wagner can't play center because he's too short?