Well you and I both have our point of views and I respect yours. I understand the need for science and discovering cures. I just don't want to see it come at the expense of a 2nd or 3rd term abortion of a healthy baby. That child was meant to live.
Forensic analysis determines PP videos NOT MANIPULATED.
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Well you and I both have our point of views and I respect yours. I understand the need for science and discovering cures. I just don't want to see it come at the expense of a 2nd or 3rd term abortion of a healthy baby. That child was meant to live.
No, a "cut" is not an edit. Editing is done in post production. A cut is done during filming. Because you either got what you needed, or are preserving "film" to be able to get more footage in to limited space. You "edit" your "cuts" to create transitions or change perspectives. Cuts are the hard copy, unedited portion of film. "Edits" are the finished version of putting "cuts" together to create a scene or story.
If you don't understand what I'm saying.......how can you argue against or for what you don't know, and have no clue to the terminology and how each works? You don't know what you think you know.,and you're arguing for the sake of arguing, or don't like being told that you are wrong.
As for "buying" what they are saying. I'm choosing to listen to both sides, and waiting to see what the authorities find in regards to the film and all the unedited cuts that the authorities have received. So far, those who have seen the film says that it has not been tampered with. As far as that opinion being unbiased......we will see.
I don't disagree there. I would ban it at a lower number of weeks than Casey/Roe set it at (probably 16-18) But, I also see that there's a massive portion of this population who refuse to consider even that, and will do whatever it takes to rid the world of abortion. They create outrageous State laws that make it so that (apparently, based on that other thread) there is only 1 abortion clinic in all of Missouri (among many other things). These are also the people who make bull shit videos like this, and then cause their moronic representatives to shut down the U.S. government over funding that cannot be allocated for abortions. It's so messed up, and it's embarrassing for the GOP.
A well-timed cut doesn't equal an edit?
I tell you "SEC, I want to pay you for this music video, it's going to be a parody of the porn industry. You're going to have girls running around everywhere. It's going to be a wild gang bang. I will bring in porn-stars from LA and our rappers will be the other people in the video."
If you are "cutting" during the italicized portion and only release the rest of the video, you're editing, official industry lingo be damned. If somehow these videos are independently analyzed and they wind up showing that PP is profiting from aborted fetuses, I'll eat my shorts. Like literally, I'll grab a pair of shorts, cut some pieces off, eat them on camera, and send the video to you.
Again, we'll see when this all shakes out. But this group isn't exactly known as like some Frontline creating type group. They are producing propaganda, and you (along with a bunch of others) have been duped. I know you're smarter than this. Research this group for 5-minutes and think about if you can honestly believe what they're selling.
Look. I don't disagree with educating potential mother's on their options. Mandating that (especially on that bull shit 24-hour period), I'm not OK with.
And if you really think PP is "profiting" on abortions, you really aren't getting it.
I dont think PP was profiting off abortions, but I do think people in PP were or were trying to and this to me is a conflict.
So, punish those people? (I don't buy this either, but whatever, I'll play along)
How does threatening to shut down the federal government or defunding the group solve the problem? Is this the approach we take to all wrongdoers?
OR
Is this another ploy by the anti-abortion Right to limit women's access (like the 24-hour rule, the admitting rules, etc.)?
I know where my money is. It's pretty obvious.
Most cuts are "well timed". If "I" am filming you.........I'm filming only things that are pertinent to the discussion. Why would I film things that are completely irrelevant.....like you getting up to leave the room? I'm only going to film our conversations. That's not editing. That's what the vast majority of film makers would do. It's like photographing a model......why would I shoot her in makeup, or in wardrobe? I'm only spending frames if she is in front of my camera. I'm not going to shoot the stylists coming on to set to do touch ups, that's wasted work and it has no use. Just like filming someone walking off to go to the bathroom....it's meaningless and doesn't show anything.
So noo......cutting when told or deciding to cut is not an edit. I'm sorry if your use of terminology is incorrect and you're being corrected on what the proper terminology is. But say "lingo be damned" and argue your point all you want.......it still doesn't make you right.
The narratives have been set by both PP and the video makers........we will see where the truth lies...... They filmmakers were ordered by a judge to hand over all the footage and they have done so. IIRC, the FBI has all the raw footage.........i'm sure they will come out when they've examined it.
We should be looking into punishing the people. Programs/Corps/businesses always get the blame of its representatives, its not like this is new.
I guess you could say its a ploy by anti-abortion to limit women's access, or I could say its a ploy to help save future lives.
Its like your posting history, GOP does it = bad we get it.
SIAP - the mother of the fetus in the Fiorina referenced video came forward and did say the baby was stillborn. It had nothing to do with an abortion. As for Fiorina's other claims - per a Mother Jones editorial,
"The video was not taken at a Planned Parenthood clinic. The fetus shows some reflexive movement, but that's all. No one says the fetus has to be kept alive. No one harvests the brain.
But other than that, Fiorina was 100 percent correct!"
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/09/planned-parenthood-fetus-video-carly-fiorina
"The video was not taken at a Planned Parenthood clinic. The fetus shows some reflexive movement, but that's all. No one says the fetus has to be kept alive. No one harvests the brain.
But other than that, Fiorina was 100 percent correct!"
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/09/planned-parenthood-fetus-video-carly-fiorina
Except I'm a registered Republican who only recently grew tired of the GOP, due to their insistence on catering to the complete lunatics on the religious fringe.
And no, we don't punish all of corporations in this manner. You're pretty naive if you think this is SOP.
And no, you're not saving lives. You're infringing on the constitutional right of women. Because of a piece of propaganda distributed by an organization with no decency nor integrity. And the reason that organization opposes it, is religious, and last I checked, their stupid ass religious beliefs didn't trump the constitution.
And you're not saving lives in another manner. You're preventing lives from being saved. Defunding planned parenthood will not stop abortions. It will lower the level of healthcare for all women who use their services. And that's not even mentioning the fact that people are up in arms about this whole thing over aborted fetuses being used for scientific purposes. Yes, morons like those on this witch hunt would rather have babies incinerated than have them used to help cure deadly diseases.
Saving lives my ass. A bunch of Christian law wanting hypocrite losers is more like it.
Except that starts with the baseline assumption that you're videotaping to capture the story, not make a piece of shit propaganda film.
Sorry homeslice, but those of us with a brain, who have looked into this organization, aren't buying that assumption.
Take off your blinders man. You are smarter than this.
Guess you havn't been paying close attention but I support ALL of those things.
The only difference is that I don't necessarily think the death penalty is immoral but that I don't trust the courts to make that call, it's completely ineffective and the only reason we do it is for some sort of sadistic revenge which is not justice.
Every American should have access to food, shelter, medical care and education regardless of age unless they just outright refuse to work. And since children can't be expected to work then they should have it guaranteed regardless.
I have not bashed Terry Branstad as being from Indiana I have very little knowledge of the state of Iowa's political issues.
Fair enough. . . but there is no compromise that ends in me or anyone else agreeing that abortion stays around forever. However any restriction I see as a step in the right direction.
It's entirely relevant if the videographer is trying to prove something and CLAIMS that nothing of interest was happening when the camera was off.
While they are not complete, they do not misrepresent what happened at the meetings. That's the point. I know that nuance is lost on a mouth breathing libs who only reads the Dems talking points for his thoughts but there it is
thanks for moving the goal post of your base argument.
My blinders are off. You've already made up your mind. I haven't, because rather than running with a narrative from either side, I'm waiting for the truth to surface. And it always does.
It's not irrelevant at all. The burden of proof lies in whether the footage was tampered with and edited in a certain fashion. Kind of like what Micheal Moore does. He takes half of quote, edits the part he doesn't like out, and keeps the part that suits his story.
So far, this hasn't been proven. But the Judge who ordered the footage to be turned over, will have investigators determine that.
When referring to someone else as a mouth breather using proper grammar would be appropriate.
Except you haven't. Our entire interaction is based on your defense of them "not editing" the videos. Because you're trying to use technical terms to justify your support for this stance.
Call it whatever you will. If you selectively "cut" the camera, you're editing the video. If you're purposely "cutting" the camera to not record information that is pertinent to the discussion, you're editing the video. When you release edited videos (which I can't fathom you'll try to deny that the videos that were the impetus for this whole shit show were edited, but perhaps in your stubborn ass mood that you're in, you will), you're distorting the argument.
We will see. We will see a shitty, corrupt, fake, propaganda spewing organization (Center for Medical Progress) will have put out a shitty, edited, fake, propaganda piece, which a bunch of shitty, corrupt, fake, propaganda spewing politicians used to try to defund an organization which provides health benefits to women. Because it's pretty clear to anyone with half a brain what is going on.
That's what was so funny about yesterday, when the dipshit congressman said "these are numbers I pulled off your reports" while referring to a misleading (at best) graph that was published by one of these anti-abortion groups. The R's have such raging mega huge boners over this that they can't even be bothered to check into the legitimacy of their materials before they make complete fools out of themselves.
Just for one second, think critically about this whole deal. Question the motives behind each side to do what they're accused of doing.
Planned Parenthood, an organization with $190m in grants and donations, with 700,000 private donors, is illegally selling aborted fetuses for profit, risking their already tenuous standing with a portion of the population, in order to make a few extra dollars.
OR
Center for Medical Progress, an organization that's sole purpose is to stop abortions, founded by David Daleiden, Troy Newman, and Albin Rhomberg, created and carefully/artfully edited/cut undercover footage to create an impression that PP sells aborted fetuses, which provoked a congressional investigation, a push to defund PP, and reignited abortion debate in America, just in time for the 2016 election cycle.
Please, please, please tell me you see how ridiculous this all is.
Correct. 'God' or 'nature' (depending on your worldview) 'aborts' 30-50% of the fertilized eggs; miscarriage rates of ~20% only count those who 'knew' they were pregnant. Substantially more pregnancies never get that far. God, apparently, is rather cavalier about the 'sanctity of human life'. Or, he's taking his 'cut' earlier now that 'human sacrifices' are off the table in our more rational and civilized societies today.
I wonder how the legal and political arguments would work out for a woman or group of women getting pregnant and then aborting their 1st trimester fetuses as 'sacrifices' to their religious god? Freedom of religion would dictate they have the right to do this, and it would be legal per our existing laws. Maybe PP needs to get a 'religious non-profit' charter....
I won't disagree.......the excerpts I've seen from the congressional hearing was embarrassing for congress. It's a circus, and tons of misinformation being thrown around by congressional Republicans.
Ok cool. We can go back to arguing about SD cards or something now
I am totally cool with wanting to see how this plays out. I'd honestly give it a 5% chance that someone at PP was going rogue and doing this. I think that there should be consequences for that.
I just think the reaction (by congressional members and by the public) is so ridiculous, when based on the information we currently have available to us. And I thought you were on the side that was buying hook, line and sinker into these videos. I realize that I was probably a bit tough on that at first, my bad.
That's a silly argument.
God or natural causes ends more human lives then being shot does. . . therefore it should be open season on all people. You will eventually die therefore it's ok to kill you now.
How in the world is the number of pregnancies that miscarry have anything to do with the question of if it is right nor not for people to end pregnancies by their own hand?
All life ends in death. . . that doesn't give people the right to take life through their own actions.
I already pointed out the battery problem. GoPros website says that continuously starting and stopping reduces battery life, which means that this hit group either was too lazy to read the manual or too stupid to understand that when trying to lay down traps for candid admissions, you typically want to keep the camera running as much as possible.
Or you can consider the third option. That they did keep the cameras running as much as possible, but simply edited out the footage that opposed their anti-PP message. It certainly makes more sense than believing that they went out of their way to set up and conduct meetings, buy expensive cameras to catch admissions, yet somehow forgot to take two seconds to figure out how to maximize the amount of footage they could get.
Did this group say they used GoPro cameras? I'm the one who said something about GoPro's in this thread, because I work with them all the time. Battery life isn't really the issue here. It's the size of the memory card you have, and the resolution you're shooting in. However, with 12 hours of total footage.......you're going to change batteries at least 3 times base on my experience with GoPro cameras........IF they were using that as their recording device. There are other cameras on the market that are better suited for this type of operation, but the issue remains the same.
On that third option. The entity that examined the footage has stated the video footage turned over is genuine and has no sign of creative edits to tampering with time stamps. I believe the words they used were "Unaltered". Time stamps on the video will prove if the video is edited. IF there are no breaks in the time stamps........it's hard to disprove the video. The time stamp is imbedded in the video when you shoot it. I'm unaware of any way to
Now...if you want to call into question the integrity of Coalfire.....by all means start building a case against their honesty after seeing the film footage. I would assume that they would like to stay in business, so that they have taken the route of integrity and honesty. The Youtube videos are edited and that has been admitted. The full footage reviewed by authorities and Coalfire has been shown NOT to be tampered with, or edited.
Let's see what the authorities who are investigating this say. I"m no longer listening to congress on this. They want a circus.......and both sides continue to politically posture on the issue.
Time stamps can be edited. There's actually an "Edit Capture Time" function with these editing programs.
if that happened.....it would have shown in the forensic analysis. Digital images have metadata that can't be altered. Just like how you can find information from a hard drive that has been scrubbed.
What part of "unaltered" don't you understand?
I'm not saying this in support of what these people did. Do not confuse my posts as a sort of support.
Hate to burst your bubble, but even metadata can be altered. A simple google search will produce many sites and articles that can show you how to alter your metadata.
Certain metadata can....because i set the metadata in my images to imbed copyright. However there is a level of metadata that cannot be altered that happens in the creation of the imagery. And it cannot be altered exactly for the reasons we are talking about........for investigative purposes. If you think that we ever have full control of that information, you're mistaken.
I guess we don't always, as in 100%, go after corporations but its a lot. So much I would say its SOP. Here is a good article for you to review. Maybe you can become a little less naive on the issue.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/20/b...ndividual-accountability-is-elusive.html?_r=0
Both of your paragraphs start off with "you're not saving lives," however in both of your paragraphs/scenarios lives are being saved. Even if I agree with you and say that the constitutional right of women is being infringed on, lives are still being saved. I love your last "not saving lives" point, scare tactics make the best points and really show you have solid grasp on the issue.
For me and many others it is about saving lives and my feeling about it has nothing to do with religion ( same as the death penalty).
Let me ask you this. If Coalfire only received a flashdrive of the videos instead of the actual camera or any hard drives, would they still be able to uncover metadata that couldn't be altered?
Yes......there are software products that are only supposed to be used by investigative firms that hold Gov't contracts and Gov't investigative agencies. I had a hard drive that had a catastrophic crash, that I sent off to a firm in California and they were able to get everything off of it and it saved my ass with a client.
There is software available to photographers/videographers that can get lost files off of drives that have been reformatted.(wiped clean) As long as you don't record over the reformat, you can get you lost files back. Not only does it recover your files, but ALL the metadata associated with those files.
It's the same thing they are using to get the emails off Hillary's server. Even though her server was wiped clean, they are still able to get a ton of information off of it. The FBI and other agencies do this all the time.
IIRC, if a judge orders you to turn over your footage, you have to give them the original drives that the footage was filmed on. To give it to them on a flash drive or an external, that's considered a copy, and not the original footage.
Perhaps you misunderstood my post. Coalfire didn't receive any hard drives. All they got was a flashdrive. If they copied the videos onto the flashdrive, they could control exactly what information was sent to Coalfire.
