Chance appears to have lost the desire to compete and has given up wrestling (at least temporarily); Haines can't find a place to call home for his considerable skills; and Gulibon has had a difficult year and seems to have been benched last week in favor of Moss. What's going on? Probably just a weird set of coincidences but it's hard to fathom each of these guys is not competing week in, week out.
Four-Time Pennsylvania State Champs
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Jake Marlin, John Meeks...it happens. Gulibon is an AA and Haines still has a couple years
Sometimes I think people put too much credit on the ability to win state as a freshman and sophomore. Because that is what a lot of becoming a 4 timer comes down to. Sometimes it is a matter of a kid that just knows how to win and is mentally tough. That is a great skill to have and is incredibly hard to teach. Those are the kids you want in your college room e.g., Eric Jurgens, Cory Clark. Sometimes it is a matter of a kid maturing way sooner than everyone else or is really strong for his age. This does not always translate at the next level.
Winning a state title 4 consecutive years is a major accomplishment, particularly in the states where there is heavy competition like PA, CA, IL, NJ, OH, IA, etc. However, it does not guarantee success at the D1 level, which to me, just causes me to respect the high level D1 wrestlers all the more.
Unlike most team sports, wrestling is one on one and if you have any weakness whatsoever, it is going to get exposed and exploited. In basketball say, a person could be an outstanding scorer and a mediocre defender and still be considered a star. In wrestling, if you are good offensively and bad defensively, you probably are looking at a .500 record...not a star.
The list of accomplishments among Iowa 4-timers is surprisingly short as well.
Yes. Iowa's batting average on four-timers is about equal to PA. Iowa three timers list, although much longer than the four time list, has some great wrestlers.
PA Four Time Champs [*= NCCA Champ]
Conklin, Jim (1940-43)
Maurey, Jerry (1947-50)
Johnson, Mike (1958-61)
Gerhard, Matt (1981-84)
Moore, Ty (1987-90)
Hughes, John* (1988-91)
Kolat, Cary** (1989-92)
Crawford, Bob (1990-93)
Hunter, Jeremy* (1993-96)
Gulibon, Jimmy (2009-12)
Haines, Thomas (2011-14)
Marsteller, Chance (2011-14)
Conklin, Jim (1940-43)
Maurey, Jerry (1947-50)
Johnson, Mike (1958-61)
Gerhard, Matt (1981-84)
Moore, Ty (1987-90)
Hughes, John* (1988-91)
Kolat, Cary** (1989-92)
Crawford, Bob (1990-93)
Hunter, Jeremy* (1993-96)
Gulibon, Jimmy (2009-12)
Haines, Thomas (2011-14)
Marsteller, Chance (2011-14)
Iowa Four Time Champs
Bob Steenlage (1959-62)
Jeff Kerber (1976-79)
Scott Morningstar (1977-80)
Joe Gibbons* (1978-81)
Greg Randall 1979-82
Mark Schwab (1982-85)
Dan Knight (1984-87)
Shane Light (1987-90)
Jeff McGinness** (1990-93)
Jason Keenan (1992-95)
Eric Juergens** (1993-96)
Jesse Sundell (1998-2001)
Mack Reiter (2000-03)
C.J. Ettelson (2000-03)
Daniel LeClere (2002-05)
Jay Borschel* (2002-05)
T.J. Sebolt (2003-06)
Bart Reiter (2006-09)
Nick Moore (2007-10)
John Meeks (2009-12)
Cory Clark (2009-12)
Bob Steenlage (1959-62)
Jeff Kerber (1976-79)
Scott Morningstar (1977-80)
Joe Gibbons* (1978-81)
Greg Randall 1979-82
Mark Schwab (1982-85)
Dan Knight (1984-87)
Shane Light (1987-90)
Jeff McGinness** (1990-93)
Jason Keenan (1992-95)
Eric Juergens** (1993-96)
Jesse Sundell (1998-2001)
Mack Reiter (2000-03)
C.J. Ettelson (2000-03)
Daniel LeClere (2002-05)
Jay Borschel* (2002-05)
T.J. Sebolt (2003-06)
Bart Reiter (2006-09)
Nick Moore (2007-10)
John Meeks (2009-12)
Cory Clark (2009-12)
Iowa Three Time Champs includes:
Dick Hauser* (1944-46)
Ron Gray** (1952-53 & 55)
Tom Peckham** (1960-62)
Dan Gable**1964-66
Jim Gibbons* (1975-77)
Barry Davis*** (1978-80)
Royce Alger** (1981-83)
Tim Krieger** (1982-84)
Jason Kelber* (1984-86)
Lee Fullhart* (1992-94)
Cliff Moore* (1997-99)
Matt McDonough** (2006-08)
Dick Hauser* (1944-46)
Ron Gray** (1952-53 & 55)
Tom Peckham** (1960-62)
Dan Gable**1964-66
Jim Gibbons* (1975-77)
Barry Davis*** (1978-80)
Royce Alger** (1981-83)
Tim Krieger** (1982-84)
Jason Kelber* (1984-86)
Lee Fullhart* (1992-94)
Cliff Moore* (1997-99)
Matt McDonough** (2006-08)
Of course Bill Koll, Tom and Terry, and Zalesky won two or less championships in high school. Also, Gable might be considered a four timer - I don't know.
Give me a two-timer who is placing high and winning national events as a junior/senior over a 4-timer who just wrestles in the state and doesn't do the national events.
Id be curious to see how Ohio's 4 timers panned out? Im guessing better than us or PA. Could be wrong.
Ohio 4xers
1. Mark Zimmer Columbus St. Francis DeSales 1976, 77, 78, 79\
2. Jim Jordan St. Paris Graham Local 1979, 80, 81, 82
3. Jeff Jordan St. Paris Graham Local 1980, 81, 82, 83
4. Erik Burnett Oberlin 1984, 85, 86, 87
5. Dan Hanson Richmond Heights 1984, 85, 86, 87
6. Ken Ramsey Lancaster Fisher Catholic 1984, 85,
Columbus Bishop Ready 1984, 85, 86, 87
7. Willie Wineberg Fairfield 1991, 92, 93, 94
8. John McGhee Akron Coventry 1993, 94, 95, 96
9. Jared Opfer Sandusky St. Mary Central Catholic 1996, 97, 98, 99
10. Harry Lester Cuyahoga Falls CVCA 1998, 99, 00, 01
11. Ryan Lang Lakewood St. Edward 2000, 01, 02, 03
12. C.P. Schlatter Columbus St. Francis DeSales 2000, 01, St. Paris Graham Local 02, 03
13. Jeff Jaggers Bedford St. Peter Chanel 2001, 02, 03, 04
14. Dustin Schlatter St. Paris Graham Local 2002, 03, Massillon Perry 04, 05
15. Lance Palmer Lakewood St. Edward 2003, 04, 05, 06
16. Tony Jameson Youngstown Austintown-Fitch 2005, 06, 07, 08
17. Collin Palmer Lakewood St. Edward 2006, 07, 08, 09
18. David Taylor St. Paris Graham Local 2006, 07, 08, 09
19. Logan Stieber Monroeville 2007, 08, 09, 10
20. Chris Phillips Monroeville 2008, 09, 10, 11
21. Hunter Stieber Monroeville 2008, 09, 10, 11
22. Cam Tessari Monroeville 2008, 09, 10, 11
23. Dean Heil Lakewood St. Edward 2010, 11, 12, 13
24. Bo Jordan St. Paris Graham Local 2010, 11, 12, 13
25. Nathan Tomasello Cuyahoga Falls CVCA 2010, 11, 12, 13
1. Mark Zimmer Columbus St. Francis DeSales 1976, 77, 78, 79\
2. Jim Jordan St. Paris Graham Local 1979, 80, 81, 82
3. Jeff Jordan St. Paris Graham Local 1980, 81, 82, 83
4. Erik Burnett Oberlin 1984, 85, 86, 87
5. Dan Hanson Richmond Heights 1984, 85, 86, 87
6. Ken Ramsey Lancaster Fisher Catholic 1984, 85,
Columbus Bishop Ready 1984, 85, 86, 87
7. Willie Wineberg Fairfield 1991, 92, 93, 94
8. John McGhee Akron Coventry 1993, 94, 95, 96
9. Jared Opfer Sandusky St. Mary Central Catholic 1996, 97, 98, 99
10. Harry Lester Cuyahoga Falls CVCA 1998, 99, 00, 01
11. Ryan Lang Lakewood St. Edward 2000, 01, 02, 03
12. C.P. Schlatter Columbus St. Francis DeSales 2000, 01, St. Paris Graham Local 02, 03
13. Jeff Jaggers Bedford St. Peter Chanel 2001, 02, 03, 04
14. Dustin Schlatter St. Paris Graham Local 2002, 03, Massillon Perry 04, 05
15. Lance Palmer Lakewood St. Edward 2003, 04, 05, 06
16. Tony Jameson Youngstown Austintown-Fitch 2005, 06, 07, 08
17. Collin Palmer Lakewood St. Edward 2006, 07, 08, 09
18. David Taylor St. Paris Graham Local 2006, 07, 08, 09
19. Logan Stieber Monroeville 2007, 08, 09, 10
20. Chris Phillips Monroeville 2008, 09, 10, 11
21. Hunter Stieber Monroeville 2008, 09, 10, 11
22. Cam Tessari Monroeville 2008, 09, 10, 11
23. Dean Heil Lakewood St. Edward 2010, 11, 12, 13
24. Bo Jordan St. Paris Graham Local 2010, 11, 12, 13
25. Nathan Tomasello Cuyahoga Falls CVCA 2010, 11, 12, 13
Wow, Monroeville, Ohio had an above average team for a few years.
He had a high ankle sprain but should be back Saturday.
I havent done the research, but my gut tells me that 2x and 3x PIAA state champs as a % have done "better" (NCs or AA finishes) on the D1 college scene than the 4x as a %.
I would also say Haines has a pretty unique position. Not only did a world champ move into his spot, haines has no other place to go. Probably goes without saying....but any other weight class and haines stays at tO$U. He seems to have had a positive experience up until this past Saturday when he weighed in, dressed and was announced as a potential starter, only to come back from the break without a match.
Any team would be lucky to have Haines. He's been snake-bit twice.
Funny story. My true freshman year at the UNI Open I had Terry Brands and Bobby Crawford in my bracket. I lost to Bobby Crawford in the earlier rounds handily. He ended up wrestling Terry in the finals and went Iowa-style on him(take him down, let him up) until the Tech Fall. After being beat up by Tom and Terry since youth it was A LITTLE rewarding seeing him get a taste of his own medicine.
I don't think you have to win a NCAA championship to have a successful college career. just looking at the Ohio list. One guy there, Ryan Lang was a two time NCAA runner up (as a Sophomore and Junior, then was injured his Senior year and DNP). I would still consider him a successful recruit for Northwestern.
Another on that list is Lance Palmer, who was a 4 time NCAA AA (Runner-up, 3rd, 4th, and 7th), but never a Champion, I consider him a successful recruit for tOSU. He also beat Metcalf once.
Harry Lester is yet another one, he never won an NCAA title, but he has been an Olympian. I consider that successful.
I don't know what a fair barometer is, but merely winning an NCAA title isn't it in my opinion.
Another on that list is Lance Palmer, who was a 4 time NCAA AA (Runner-up, 3rd, 4th, and 7th), but never a Champion, I consider him a successful recruit for tOSU. He also beat Metcalf once.
Harry Lester is yet another one, he never won an NCAA title, but he has been an Olympian. I consider that successful.
I don't know what a fair barometer is, but merely winning an NCAA title isn't it in my opinion.
It's impressive, isn't it? A village of 1400 people produced a team that fielded 4 4-time state champs at essentially the same time. Rumor has it that these young men owe a great deal of their success to a legendary youth coach, but I don't have his name
Monroeville
Village in Ohio
Monroeville is a village in Huron County, Ohio, United States. The population was 1,400 at the 2010 census. Monroeville High School sports teams are known as the "Eagles". Wikipedia
