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Fran job security

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What will it take for Fran to be on the hot seat? Two major collapses in the last 3 years with good talent. Losing to a double digit seed 3 straight years in the BTT. The administration and the fans have to expect more from the program. I know next year is supposed to be a step back, but Iowa should be a program that's at least on the bubble every year, and with the amount of seniors we had this year, should be contending for Big Ten titles and making sweet 16 runs.
 
What will it take for Fran to be on the hot seat? Two major collapses in the last 3 years with good talent. Losing to a double digit seed 3 straight years in the BTT. The administration and the fans have to expect more from the program. I know next year is supposed to be a step back, but Iowa should be a program that's at least on the bubble every year, and with the amount of seniors we had this year, should be contending for Big Ten titles and making sweet 16 runs.


Don't be stupid! Fran is improving this team every year and they will be even better next year. He will get better players every year. This was the best we could do without guards. He will get guards.
 
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Fran is safe, but I have to say some of our current players might not be. I would not be surprised if Fran might "Crean" some of the players if possible. If I were him, I would. Keep a couple, but damn need to find some "game changers".
 
Fran is not on the hot seat, nor should he be. His players should grow a pair and start making shots and stop making mental mistakes.

I agree......however, he had two chances to draw something up, one with 15 seconds and the other with 4.8 seconds........and they couldn't get a freakin' shot up. Some of that bunk has to be on the coach..........Not one of any of the coaches finest moments.......
 
Don't be stupid! Fran is improving this team every year and they will be even better next year. He will get better players every year. This was the best we could do without guards. He will get guards.

When? He has had 5 years so far to get good guards.
 
I agree......however, he had two chances to draw something up, one with 15 seconds and the other with 4.8 seconds........and they couldn't get a freakin' shot up. Some of that bunk has to be on the coach..........Not one of any of the coaches finest moments.......
Good point. Didn't agree with Uhl getting the last shot and the play before that was pretty weak as well. At the same time, we still could have gotten a good shot if Gesell would have made a good pass.
 
Fran needs to go to school and learn how to manage the last minute of games. I get drawing up a play and it not working. It happens. However, this is something that happens just about every single time this situation comes up. I think I can count on one hand the number of times Iowa got a good look at the end of the game. Only one time this season too.
 
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Good point. Didn't agree with Uhl getting the last shot and the play before that was pretty weak as well. At the same time, we still could have gotten a good shot if Gesell would have made a good pass.

Yea, Gesell is completely unreliable at the end of games......especially this year.
 
I agree......however, he had two chances to draw something up, one with 15 seconds and the other with 4.8 seconds........and they couldn't get a freakin' shot up. Some of that bunk has to be on the coach..........Not one of any of the coaches finest moments.......
He drew something for both situations but players didn't execute. Iowa's problem is not Fran! You look at all our losses recently they have one thing in common. Shooting...bad by Iowa and good by their opponent. If anything Fran's coaching has kept the losses from being blowouts.
 
Fran has to come up with something so we can at least get a shot up in those situations. That was a bad as I've seen it in the Fran era.
 
Yea, Gesell is completely unreliable at the end of games......especially this year.
Fran set that up years ago when he took them out of the end of every game. But for some reason would put Josh ogelsby in the game at the end. Confidence is a funny thing
 
What will it take for Fran to be on the hot seat? Two major collapses in the last 3 years with good talent. Losing to a double digit seed 3 straight years in the BTT. The administration and the fans have to expect more from the program. I know next year is supposed to be a step back, but Iowa should be a program that's at least on the bubble every year, and with the amount of seniors we had this year, should be contending for Big Ten titles and making sweet 16 runs.
Though it may not look like it now, Iowa could still make the sweet 16 if this loss lights a fire under them.
 
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Yea, Gesell is completely unreliable at the end of games......especially this year.

Especially every year he's been here. He's without a doubt the worst player in clutch situations I've ever seen in any sport. Comes up small over and over and over again.
 
Fran is not on the hot seat, nor should he be. His players should grow a pair and start making shots and stop making mental mistakes.


I completely agree, he's not on the hot seat. Click the refresh button for next year which will be a completely different group of Hawkeyes. It should, however, be noted that he needs to look in the mirror and tinker with changes to his in game coaching moving forward.
 
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He drew something for both situations but players didn't execute. Iowa's problem is not Fran! You look at all our losses recently they have one thing in common. Shooting...bad by Iowa and good by their opponent. If anything Fran's coaching has kept the losses from being blowouts.

He has a 6'9" athletic player who can shoot from anywhere and led the B1G in scoring most of the year.........You draw up a play to get him open somewhere. Sorry, but the play call with 4.8 seconds wasn't his finest moment at all. And, BTW, I like Fran and think he is generally a good coach. However, there is something wrong when 2 out of 3 years, you tank at the end of seasons (7 losses out of 8 two years ago). There is something wrong when you have an experienced team that doesn't understand the basic principle of rotating your defense to cover a backside 3 point shooter. Yes, the players should certainly shoulder some of the blame.......but so should Fran.......and so should the rest of the coaches.
 
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He drew something for both situations but players didn't execute. Iowa's problem is not Fran! You look at all our losses recently they have one thing in common. Shooting...bad by Iowa and good by their opponent. If anything Fran's coaching has kept the losses from being blowouts.

Fran said in the pre-game that the defense hasn't been the problem for our swoon. I couldn't believe I heard him say that and again, our defense was getting shredded today until a team not used to playing with a lead got tight and missed several shots.
 
I completely agree, he's not on the hot seat. Click the refresh button for next year which will be a completely different group of Hawkeyes. It should, however, be noted that he needs to look in the mirror and tinker with changes to his in game coaching moving forward.
Every coach is flawed in some way or another. Do I completely agree with the way that Fran handles his rotations and use of timeouts? No. That said, he's a fine coach, and at some point it's up to the players to execute
 
He has a 6'9" athletic player who can shoot from anywhere and led the B1G in scoring most of the year.........You draw up a play to get him open somewhere. Sorry, but the play call with 4.8 seconds wasn't his finest moment at all. And, BTW, I like Fran and think he is generally a good coach. However, there is something wrong when 2 out of 3 years, you tank at the end of seasons (7 losses out of 8 two years ago). There is something wrong when you have an experienced team that doesn't understand the basic principle of rotating your defense to cover a backside 3 point shooter. Yes, the players should certainly shoulder some of the blame.......but so should Fran.......and so should the rest of the coaches.
With Jok out of the game do you not think Illinois was going to make anybody but Uthoff beat them?
 
Schools like Iowa and Wisconsin typically need to have good developmental coaches in football and basketball to have success. The coaches who have had the most success have had players get continually better over time, and then had the most team success with senior-laden teams.

How much have Gesell, Clemons and Woodbury improved since their freshmen year?

Peter Drucker defined good management as putting your people in a position to shine. Is Fran putting his players in a position to shine late in games? And if not, is it fair to the players to blame them?
 
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Fran needs to go to school and learn how to manage the last minute of games. I get drawing up a play and it not working. It happens. However, this is something that happens just about every single time this situation comes up. I think I can count on one hand the number of times Iowa got a good look at the end of the game. Only one time this season too.
I can count two in one game. Indiana...Clemons air ball and Jok miss in the corner.
 
Most of Frans tenure here has been with this "generation" of guys, the seniors. The best of that group never even gets to touch the ball at the end of games. When you look at a guy like Gatens, he was clutch but just played with guys that were overmatched. We'll see how guys like Williams and Bohannon do in end game situations. They can't be any worse.
 
He drew something for both situations but players didn't execute. Iowa's problem is not Fran! You look at all our losses recently they have one thing in common. Shooting...bad by Iowa and good by their opponent. If anything Fran's coaching has kept the losses from being blowouts.
Fran could adjust and play guys who shoot better more minutes. Maybe not play Clemmons and Gesell together. Spacing is horrible when those two play together.
 
Fran could adjust and play guys who shoot better more minutes. Maybe not play Clemmons and Gesell together. Spacing is horrible when those two play together.
Who do you suggest, the whole team other then Uthoff and Jok are in a shooting slump. Do you not remember the games both Clemmons and Gesell were hitting shots?
 
Who do you suggest, the whole team other then Uthoff and Jok are in a shooting slump. Do you not remember the games both Clemmons and Gesell were hitting shots?
I don't remember Gesell ever making outside shots this year. Clemmons has had a couple of good games. And I literally mean a couple out of 30. I bet he's at like 10% of his games he's shot well from the outside. Teams have adjusted. Their dramatically sagging off and helping off of Gesell and Clemmons. Watch how much they sag off of Baer and Uhl. It's night and day. It makes a huge difference when running an offense.
 
Fran needs to go to school and learn how to manage the last minute of games. I get drawing up a play and it not working. It happens. However, this is something that happens just about every single time this situation comes up. I think I can count on one hand the number of times Iowa got a good look at the end of the game. Only one time this season too.

Two good looks last week against Indiana. You fail.
 
Though it may not look like it now, Iowa could still make the sweet 16 if this loss lights a fire under them.

No Chance, they have zero confidence and they only have 2 players. Everyoen knows to make a run in the NCAA, you have to have a starting 5 that is worthy of playing. Right now in order to win Jok has to score 35 and Utoff has to score 35. That aint' happening.
 
Don't be stupid! Fran is improving this team every year and they will be even better next year. He will get better players every year. This was the best we could do without guards. He will get guards.
I do not believe Fran's job should even be considered in trouble, but it seems like this scenario played out two seasons ago so it seems like his coaching and teams have plateaued.
 
I do not believe Fran's job should even be considered in trouble, but it seems like this scenario played out two seasons ago so it seems like his coaching and teams have plateaued.
If KF got away with what he did for 3 or 4 years and didn't even seem to care, no way should Fran be on the hotseat, but he does need to make some changes and evaluate problems and rectify them.
 
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I don't remember Gesell ever making outside shots this year. Clemmons has had a couple of good games. And I literally mean a couple out of 30. I bet he's at like 10% of his games he's shot well from the outside. Teams have adjusted. Their dramatically sagging off and helping off of Gesell and Clemmons. Watch how much they sag off of Baer and Uhl. It's night and day. It makes a huge difference when running an offense.
Some fans have short memories and do you think if Baer and Uhl weren't slumping they'd be daring them to shoot, that's my point.
 
No Chance, they have zero confidence and they only have 2 players. Everyoen knows to make a run in the NCAA, you have to have a starting 5 that is worthy of playing. Right now in order to win Jok has to score 35 and Utoff has to score 35. That aint' happening.
If you think every team that makes a run in the tourney has a "worthy" starting 5 you haven't been around to see many tournaments. I've seen 1 player carry a team many times so you and "everyone" that believe that are just wrong.
 
I hate to be a hater, but a lot of this is on Fran. Watching our ineptness on offense is difficult. I mean, what coach at this level is ok with this crap. Our ball movement is just terrible. With the seniors we had, one would think they'd have it figured out by now.
 
I've been a Celmmons fan and thought he deserved more credit than he's received, but what happened to him down the stretch? Just bad. Today had to be his most futile of the year. Even his defense failed leaving his feet on a couple of outside pump fakes from the shooter.
 
Some fans have short memories and do you think if Baer and Uhl weren't slumping they'd be daring them to shoot, that's my point.
What are you talking about? They are sagging off of Clemmons and Gesell who play the majority of our minutes. Baer and Uhl don't play much. Very rarely they get over 15 minutes in a game. Teams aren't sagging off of Baer and Uhl. Do you not see the difference in spacing when Fran plays Gesell and Clemmons together as opposed to any other lineup we have?
 
Who do you suggest, the whole team other then Uthoff and Jok are in a shooting slump. Do you not remember the games both Clemmons and Gesell were hitting shots?

Yeah Gesell's been in a four year shooting slump lol, the rest of the guys just can't shoot.
 
I've been a Celmmons fan and thought he deserved more credit than he's received, but what happened to him down the stretch? Just bad. Today had to be his most futile of the year. Even his defense failed leaving his feet on a couple of outside pump fakes from the shooter.

I give him plenty of credit for the collapse too
 
What are you talking about? They are sagging off of Clemmons and Gesell who play the majority of our minutes. Baer and Uhl don't play much. Very rarely they get over 15 minutes in a game. Teams aren't sagging off of Baer and Uhl. Do you not see the difference in spacing when Fran plays Gesell and Clemmons together as opposed to any other lineup we have?
Ok if that's what you mean...then Clemmons and Gesell need to start dropping shots. Gesell hit one 3 today then stopped shooting it, Clemmons has been ice cold but was knocking them down earlier this season. As far as spacing goes...you do know we run a motion offense right?
 
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