Yes last night was worse shooting than normal 2-11 on a bunch of wide open 3s is surprising for anyone.
The reality is its been about 3 years since Bohannon has been consistently effective on offense for more than a game here or there.
Fran really???
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Yes last night was worse shooting than normal 2-11 on a bunch of wide open 3s is surprising for anyone.
The reality is its been about 3 years since Bohannon has been consistently effective on offense for more than a game here or there.
Who did you want in in his place. The bench was lost last night.
I'm sure some posters think J Bo's guy scored all 48. Having said that, he needs to be riding the pine.
You must be too young to remember George Raveling and Steve Alford not making any changes when their teams were getting run over.
Haha isn’t that the truth. I’ve been wishing he wouldn’t play for years now but he just looks sick to me or something
Fran has proven time and time again that it's about him, his ego and his "guys" more than the program. Last year he rolled Jbo, Connor and CJ out with various nagging injuries despite having healthy bodies available. Of course we don't hear until after the Oregon beating that all 3 were playing hurt the last 1/3 of the season.
Jbo air mailing two 3's is a pretty telling sign he was under the weather. Don't play Sandfort, who is bigger, taller and has a more diverse offensive skill set when the team is mired in a major FG drought.
Jbo air mailing two 3's is a pretty telling sign he was under the weather. Don't play Sandfort, who is bigger, taller and has a more diverse offensive skill set when the team is mired in a major FG drought.
Just look at how much smaller he is than his brothers. Great shooter but his limitations and apparent lack of leadership have held us back unfortunately.Worst. Bohannon. Ever.
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It was on Fran to get Keegan the damn ball in the last 2 minutes.
Why do they lack confidence. Because they watch people make mistake after mistake and it’s not their fault. But when they make a mistake “it wasn’t their night”.
this is Josh ogelsby all over. I’m not sure if playing isn’t based on feelings rather than skill. That’s a problem.
Fran makes Kirk look super nimble and adaptable when it comes to personnel management.
I'm not sure what prior years have to do with this year. Jbo isn't shooting it like he used to and he wasn't effective last night or the last 3 games for that matter. He was 2-11 for 6 points with zero assists, one rebound, zero steals, and one turnover in 28 minutes of play. Fran's management of personnel is open for criticism this year. The production and efficiency of the players is simply not reflected in the allocation of the minutes. Fran has done a good job of putting this roster together but his unwillingness to adjust to the realities of his personnel is kneecapping the team this year.
It's almost like Fran and all of these folks that argue on his behalf completely discount what they have been seeing this year as the reality of things. It's mind boggling.
That’s because they are Superfans who think everything Fran does is right and he never makes mistakes. And anyone who criticizes is stupid and should go root for another team.
The most frustrating aspect of jbo part 6 is that the growth of Perkins and Ulis is now starting to derail.
Last year Fran coached Joe Toussaint into an ineffective shell of himself who was afraid to make mistakes which lead to more mistakes which lead to even less pt and so on. It was a total wasted year of eligibility despite having a solid year before that.
Now he's repeating this process with Perkins and Ulis.
It would be one thing if jbo was is any way deserving of all this pt. But he's not.
If you're picking big 10 starters he's probably close to last.
Last year Fran coached Joe Toussaint into an ineffective shell of himself who was afraid to make mistakes which lead to more mistakes which lead to even less pt and so on. It was a total wasted year of eligibility despite having a solid year before that.
Now he's repeating this process with Perkins and Ulis.
It would be one thing if jbo was is any way deserving of all this pt. But he's not.
If you're picking big 10 starters he's probably close to last.
Based solely on the metrics he should be 8th or 9th on this team above Cmac.
Yep, thats about where I've ranked him every time the question of ranking the roster comes up.
Theres nothing about his level of play that says hes a starter quality player.
Which one holds school records, or conference records in anything? Isn't "none" the answer, except for Jordan who holds multiple school ever.Worst. Bohannon. Ever.
No it’s people who understand the game and appreciate what he’s done for the program. If you’re under the age of 35 Fran Mccaffery is the best coach iowa has ever had and it’s not even close. Also, it’s a much different, more entertaining product than what Brian Ferentz produces year after year.
I agree. He's not quite the same player he was and the cast around him is stronger. Fran's not an idiot. He surely knows that the minutes aren't being allocated based solely on talent and production. I think he probably convinced JBo to come back thinking he was in a pinch after CJ left and has no inclination to cut way back on his minutes. As frustrating as it can be for some of us to watch you have to admire his unflinching loyalty.
Same with Cmac. He knows he probably doesn't belong out there for so many minutes but he's his son. Most coaches would be doing the same thing he is. The pains that some on here go through to explain it any other way is really something.
The Pmac situation isn't quite as clear. He certainly has a higher ceiling athletically than Connor and maybe Fran still believes he can be a high level player. Again, he's his son and you know he's going to continue to give him every opportunity to become what they both want him to be. If that means giving him more minutes over more effective players then that's what he's going to do.
I think the player that's been impacted the most by all of this is Kris. I wonder if Fran sees his growth as a blessing and a curse this year. I'm sure that 29 point outburst to carry the team against Indiana was something that Fran didn't expect. It made the disparity between him and Patrick right now appear even more stark. Logic suggests that Kris' opportunities would have increased with that kind of performance. You'd have thought that finding minutes for him would become a priority. Instead Kris plays 11 minutes in both games since and Pmac jumps above 30 minutes in both after logging just 20 in the Indiana game. Strange times indeed.
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Said it before, say it again... overstayed his welcome. Last summer should have been a dead giveaway
I appreciate very much what he's done for the program. I actually stopped watching Iowa basketball during the Lick years because it was so bad. Fran has built a nice program at Iowa and he has built what I believe is an excellent roster of talent. I also believe he struggles sometimes with the management of that talent because of conflicting priorities. Does he play a player that he's loyal to and has been loyal to him or does he play someone else that might bring more to the table? Does he give minutes to his sons or does he play others with more talent? These aren't easy decisions for any coach and I really don't begrudge Fran for making a decision I might not agree with or appreciate. It doesn't mean I'd want another coach or that it can't be frustrating as a fan to watch it play out.
You know appreciation and criticism don't have to be mutually exclusive. Appreciation doesn't have to equate to blind acceptance that you have to agree with everything the man does and believe that his methods or ideas are beyond question. That's pretty much the definition of a cult.
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You must be so happy for Jordan as an individual. And so disappointed in the team he plays for.
Expect mediocrity and get mediocrity. Hawks fans like me get it and in light of the difficult recruiting challenges continue to watch. Interesting and entertaining game but even casual fans don‘t get Kris m sitting while cMac and jbo get the minutes they get. watching a guy sit last year that the following year is a first team all American can frustrate even the most loyal hawk. Football will continue to thrive (for a while) but bball fans are voting with their feet. As long as the programs stays clean (and the football lawsuit is BS) administration will not make any changes.
People who understand the game also realize Fran’s ceiling is 1 win in the ncaa tournament and never win a Big 10 conference or tournament championship. Iowa basketball is never going to be any better under Fran that it is right now.
If you are happy with that…..fine. For many fans, it is not unrealistic to expect at least one Sweet 16 in 12 years.
For those of us who are older than 35, Fran is the 4th best coach in our lifetime. Better than Schultz, Raveling and Lickliter. About on par with Alford. Below Miller, Lute, and Davis.
Interesting stuff....I started following Iowa bball in 1978 so I was a Lute fan...great coach. Miller was clearly a high level coach as well. Those two stand above everyone else that I am aware of in my lifetime.
I loved Tom Davis....great man, outstanding coach.....but Fran is pretty much on par with him other than a couple of years.
As us older guys should know, saying things like NEVER win a championship and 1 win in the tournament is his ceiling will often times come back to bite us. I don't think we get more than one win, or maybe even make the tournament this year....BUT the thing I love about college sports is it could happen next year.
No one (Fran-players-fans) is happy with no sweet 16s and YES it is clearly appropriate to be unhappy with that....but that does not dictate the future.
Well, saying “never” is just an expression. Probably should have said unlikely instead. Point still shands.
I put Davis ahead of Fran because:
1. He never lost a first round ncaa tournament game.
2. Went to the Sweet 16 multiple times.
Some of you are so quick to throw one of the most important players in the Fran era under the bus after a somewhat rough start to the season. Or has it been rough? 10 ppg, 35% 3 pt percentage, 87 FT%...Keep in mind he's been grabbed all the way down the court on the offensive end. For him to even get an open look is very rare. Can you question his play at times? Absolutely...but some of you are showing how disloyal of a fan you are.
I'm not a basher, but yes, it's been pretty rough and it's not the start. We are more than halfway through the season. The player with the 3rd most minutes on the team has some of the worst metrics on the team. What does loyalty have to do with stating objective facts?
