Fran, you have one PG. PLAY HIM!
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Not too shabby considering he isn’t even our one point guard!
Typical from posters from Nebraska, Minnesota and Wisconsin. They love to just keep getting reply's because their sites have banned them.
1. Get rid of McCaffery
2. Get rid of Conner
3. Get rid of JBo
4. Make any remarks to get a response from this board.
5. While we're at it let's sit Garza because he's not a 80% free throw shooter. We want all our reserves to start and get MORE minutes.
Come on coach and come over for three or four beers with me in my folks basement.
1. Get rid of McCaffery
2. Get rid of Conner
3. Get rid of JBo
4. Make any remarks to get a response from this board.
5. While we're at it let's sit Garza because he's not a 80% free throw shooter. We want all our reserves to start and get MORE minutes.
Come on coach and come over for three or four beers with me in my folks basement.Why didn't you come to JBOs defense a month ago? When he was playing like shit?
It takes allot of courage to comment on old posts now after the circumstance have changed and pretend it the same situation.
The irony being that the one you picked to comment on isn't even a logical reply to the context of the post.
One where I'm saying I'm fine with him playing if he's hitting 3s.
Thanks for being so brave and intelligent.
Uh....you’re welcome? Oh and by the way I have been defending him since last year.
Thanks for being so dumb and cowardly.
Actually many of us have been just calling it straight. Saying no one should give up on Bohannon, that if gets back to being a 40% 3-point shooter who doesn't turn it over, that is a real asset. But that he didn't look like himself earlier. This 4-game run he's been on is quite incredible. It's not a sustainable level of performance, but most players in college basketball will never have a streak of 4 games like this the whole season.
The whole question of Toussaint and his role going forward is interesting. It's possible we just don't find out about him until next year when he perhaps gets the opportunity to play big minutes. But to this point in his career he has been a player who misses a ton of shots, turns it over a ton and fouls a lot. That is in limited minutes, but how can Fran look at that performance and say "he needs to play more minutes." His turnover rate is the highest on the team, his percentage on 2-point shots is 40%, which is by far the worst of the players in the rotation, and his foul rate per 40 minutes is again the highest of any player in the rotation.
These guys are all Hawkeyes, I want them all to do well. Toussaint has a very interesting skill set. But at some point the turnovers have to stop and the shot selection has to get better. That may not happen until he gets more regular minutes. I'm hoping that he really can do it, as I really like his fearlessness and his overall defensive ability.
Well said Dodger, at this point, JoeT has played himself out of any big minutes and into a back up or emergency guy and for all the reasons you articulate, certainly we won’t be seeing him again in closing minutes of the ‘late and close’ games anytime soon.
he has an aggressive approach on offense that is hurting him constantly forcing things in early the shot clock resulting in terrible offensive metrics. For example, ConMac and Ulis both PG-1st guys both having assist to FGA ratios if 40-60, whereas JoeT has a 67-33 ratio of FGA-Assists, or JoeT looks for his shot 1st, and the assist 2nd, and I have long posited that this is not what you want to see when your PG is near unplayable on the offensive side of the court.
joeT still has 2-3 years remaining and with maturity and Experience we all trust that he will improve, but dont expect to see him in late and close very often again.
Joe T obviously has physical ability you can't teach, but he'll have to adapt quite a bit if he wants to run the team and be on the court most of the game. At this point anyway, he's clearly not a shooting guard, so hopefully more time and experience pays off for him relative to the point.
I have to assume he will be annoited the starter next year, but if it were me, it would be Ulis in what little we have seen from him. Ulis has played pretty good in his limited minutes and appears to have all the attributes you seek in a point guard.
Fran has a decision to make, maybe it's not a tough one for him. I guess we'll see.
Agree, I’m not opposed to a 50/50 sort of split with these 2 next year to determine which style works best, 1 on 1 style to (mostly) create your own shot and force issue or a more controlled style that focuses on distribution
further is that ConMac will be back and Fran clearly trusts his style as a starting PG.
so can easily see a lineup where JoeT isn’t a starting pg (ConMac, CJF, JoeW, keegan, Nunge]
The good news is there will be plenty of minutes to allow their performance on the court to determine who plays. And if anyone thinks I don't think certain players can be good, quite the opposite. Toussaint had a number of good games as a freshman last year. The games against Rutgers, Wisconsin, Penn State and Illinois last year were all quite good. The last game Iowa played in 2020 he was very good against Illinois. Played 20 minutes, 4-7 from the field, 4-4 from the line, 2-4 3-pointers, 2 assists, 2 TO. That is good production against a high quality opponent.
If players have ability, they need consistent minutes to see real improvement. Toussaint is no different. I would guess that he will be counted on to come up big more than once here the rest of the season due to injury or foul trouble in multiple games. But yes, long-term it will be interesting to see how the PT plays out with him and Ulis. Ulis looks very good in the bit we've seen him so far.
100% Agree. They need consistent minutes to develop, JoeT can physically excel at this level, and that Ulis has looked good in the little we’ve seen so far and that I’d like Fran to ease him into these games where iowa is ahead...
IMO it’s still all about the matchups and how teams are playing the Hawks. Gonzaga game is a good example. They were pressing up and overplaying. This was where Joe T was invaluable by blowing by his opponent at will and finishing. Bohanan with his shooting ability and understanding of when and where to let it fly also invaluable. Still both are very capable of having off games even when Fran gets the matchup right. It’s still a players game but this year Fran has so many more levers to pull. Isn’t it freat
Nobody's more pleased that JBO has started hitting shots than me.
As long as he's doing that, I got no complaints with him playing over Tousaint.
Hes still not a real pg, thats why he needs Connor to bring the ball up for him when he gets pressured.
You can vent your little but hurt feelings all you want, it makes zero difference to me. I will continue to say whatever I want.
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I agree, since this discussion took place two weeks ago things have flipped 180 degrees.
JBOs performance over the last 4 games is the complete opposite of what he was doing before that.
He was not playing like an asset, now he is.
Of course people wanted to see him get less minutes when he was not producing over a whole third of the way through the season.
If he continues to knock down open shots, take care of the ball and give a real effort on defense, (all things that were not happening before) the rest of the season Iowa is in great shape.
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Agreed, I think Ulis is the guy next year unless JT calms down.
Either way Ulis is a big part of the rotation. Hes too good to keep off the court.
I love JoeT, but he looks as if he's playing like he's looking over his shoulder at Ulis. Sometimes playing at full speed is not the correct approach and he just needs to recognize the game situations and adjust his attack accordingly.
Bohannon's recent play reminds me of the roll that Gatens got on down the stretch in 2012.
Bohannon's recent play reminds me of the roll that Gatens got on down the stretch in 2012.
Hey bud knock yourself out. You should say whatever you want. I don’t know why anyone would say you shouldn’t and I know I wouldn’t. You seemed to call me out for using hindsight and mockingly said I was being so brave and smart.
It wasn’t hindsight on my part. I have been defending JBO for over a year from people claiming he shouldn’t be playing and that he’s not a point guard.
For whatever reason people have been diminishing just how great JBO is for a very long time now. He is an all time great hawk with an unreal assist/TO ratio and unreal clutch shooting.
You can choose to focus on what he doesn’t do well or you can focus on what he does well and you can come to different conclusions on his effectiveness to fit your narrative. Hell a very large portion of our fan base chose to focus on the fact that JT is very fast and athletic and ignore that he’s a turnover machine that can’t shoot. They used that focus to push for him to be our starting PG. That’s an insane thought process, but yet many thought that way.
My only opinion has always been he needs to be hitting 3s to be effective.
I don't think he's a true pg but he doesn't have to be if he's a threat to hit a high percentage from 3 with his quick release.
A month ago Toussaint was out playing him, now its flipped and JBO is out playing JT.
Im happy for him, I want to see him go out on top and Iowa is a better team now than a month ago because of it.
That’s just silly. Had he not hit a single three this last game he was still otherworldly effective. What 2-3 from the field 5-6 from the line to go along with 7 rebounds 14 assists and 0 turnovers. Get a grip.
No, whats silly is acting like that game is in anyway meaningful or relevant to the discussion.
Yeah, no shit if JBO could put up those numbers on any sort of a regular basis than we'd be talking about a completely different player.
In reality that was a once in a career outlier.
If you honestly think he can be a consistently effective player in the big ten without hitting 3s then you're just a fool.
Someone who can break down the defense and creat shots for teammates that would otherwise not be open.
JBO is a shooting guard that plays at 1 in my opinion.
Its not necessarily a negative or positive.
Theres allot of nba teams that play small shooting guards at the 1 like Curry and Lillard.
It works well as long as your hitting shots and or keeping the floor spaced.
Agreed BB. And the reality is if Bohannon does not return (have seen no indication that he will) there is a lot of minutes to go around for both players.
You are the first person in history to refer to Lillard as a shooting guard. People had that thought about Curry in 2010, not anymore.
There are many types of point guards out there:
- Scoring & passing (Curry, Lillard, Paul, Nash)
- Pass-first (Kidd, Ball, Rondo)
- Score-first (Schroder, White, Anthony)
- Defense first (Bledsoe, Murray, Bradley)
His performance in an actual game is irrelevant in the conversation on how effective he is as a basketball player??? That’s a pretty strange take. I tell you what. Let’s take out his top five performances this year and only consider the remaining performances would that suite your case better? Unreal!
If you want to believe that JBO could be an effective player in the bigbten on a consistent basis without hitting 3s you are welcome to believe that.
I have no interest in a discusion over such an obviously irrational idea.
To say he's out there because of his shooting ability is such a noncontroversial statement that anyone feeling the need to argue that point is doing so out of emotional retaliation.
Jordan has been our point guard for 5 years. There are other players that get to handle the ball and distribute in the nature of this team but Jordan has been the primary ball handler. He's leaving Iowa as no worse that career #3 in assists and a great A/TO ratio. How many games has Jordan iced at the line-because he gets the ball with the game on the line? That's what point guards do and not many in Iowa history have done it better.
Between Joe T and Ulis (and very limited time for Ulis in meaningful minutes) Ulis seems to concentrate on running the offense, quick passes, things moving. Reliable
Joe T seems to over dribble, over penetrating, and then we get into our set. He’s proven he can be a game changer, but also proven at times to be unreliable.
Great problem to have both guys. But a problem nonetheless, that in this day and age, could have a transfer written all over it.
Joe T seems to over dribble, over penetrating, and then we get into our set. He’s proven he can be a game changer, but also proven at times to be unreliable.
Great problem to have both guys. But a problem nonetheless, that in this day and age, could have a transfer written all over it.
Regarding what part? The transfer thing? If so, kids wanna play not sit. And those two being just one class apart, could see it shaking out like that. Just based on how much movement there is in the sport, not a knock on the kids or program or anything.
Never mind I guess , I’ve heard nothing that would indicate any Hawkeye player was unhappy enough to consider transferring so that’s why I said that. My comment was uncalled for, sorry
All good man. I hope we have everyone back, I just don’t have enough faith in college kids being patient
This team looks to have particularly good chemistry and comradery. Two and maybe three huge component's of the team will be gone. No one should be looking for more PT elsewhere. There are going to be quite a few minutes available to the freshmen that played rather fewer. Ahron and Tony are going to get pretty much all of the reserve minutes at guard, which it seems is the schedule they would have expected coming in.
Clearly Kr Murray is going to see a lot of minutes if Joe Dub leaves. Based on what we know we have, even if Joey Dub returns, we are going to see some strange looking groups on the floor. Think Kr Murray gets minutes either way, although more if Joe leaves. Plus, he's not leaving Ke and Iowa behind, he is a genetic Hawkeye for God's sake.
Ogu knew he wasn't going to get early playing time. He was gassed after a minute or two. Just do not see Josh feeling discontent. The Big Boy seems very tight with Ahron and Tony.
There is a scenario for next year's boys team to be pretty good.
Clearly Kr Murray is going to see a lot of minutes if Joe Dub leaves. Based on what we know we have, even if Joey Dub returns, we are going to see some strange looking groups on the floor. Think Kr Murray gets minutes either way, although more if Joe leaves. Plus, he's not leaving Ke and Iowa behind, he is a genetic Hawkeye for God's sake.
Ogu knew he wasn't going to get early playing time. He was gassed after a minute or two. Just do not see Josh feeling discontent. The Big Boy seems very tight with Ahron and Tony.
There is a scenario for next year's boys team to be pretty good.
Weiskamp isn’t going anywhere. Is he on any mock draft sites? I could be wrong but don’t think so. No reason to leave early for Europe. Playing in Madrid or elsewhere will be there the year after graduating. He’s a 4 year player. Which is good for us.
Share the thinking. His fiancé will have eligibility next year I think. Has to show he can left under pressure and finish stronger at the rim. He could be a 25 ppg guy at Iowa next season, he will get a lot of shots.
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