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Fran's Big 10 finishes

18-19 6
17-18 11
16-17 5
15-16 3
14-15 3
13-14 6
12-13 6
11-12 7
10-11 Doesn't count...he took over a train wreck

Six top 6 finishes and only 1 bad year.

How many championships? How many sweet 16s??

Has Fran ever seen Saturday of the Big Ten Tournament?

Lot of mediocrity in that list, he recovered the program after the LICK mess, but someone needs to come in and advance it.
 
Question on every bodies mind is, can it get better or have we seen fran’s ceiling.

As long as he keeps Kirk and Sherman on staff he will never ever contend for a spot higher then Wisconsin. You could add Andrew on that list also but he is still relatively young but after 10 or 11 years under Fran why hasn't he applied for a head coaching job. Inquiring minds would love to know the answer to that question.
 
Hopefully the OP doesn’t work in public relations, advertising or promotions in the real world. It’s best to not bring up the overall body of work I’m thinking. It’s not horrible. But it’s very pedestrian and doesn’t get 90 percent of our fan base chillin for more Iowa hoops.
 
Honestly I could live with the B1G finishes but the March fades, 0 hope for the BTT and less than 0 shot Fran ever wins a 2nd round game are too much. Grind through the regular season and catch fire in March maybe once or twice to this point and I am not anti-Fran. Prove you can't get a team to finish or rally through adversity over 9 years and be completely anemic in the BTT for 9 years....sorry Fran you peaked about 6 years ago.
 
Hopefully the OP doesn’t work in public relations, advertising or promotions in the real world. It’s best to not bring up the overall body of work I’m thinking. It’s not horrible. But it’s very pedestrian and doesn’t get 90 percent of our fan base chillin for more Iowa hoops.

Hey look, we're just above average. Alright!!
 
and 2 shots from being 12-8

So why can't Fran do something, anything when it counts? I have no illusions about competing for a BIG title because that simply doesn't mean much in the big picture to me. Whether Iowa cruises or sneaks into the NCAA tournament also doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is a 9 year trend of playing uninspired apathetic basketball in March, never being that team that plays with red ass in the BTT and going into the NCAA with 3 flat tires. Iowa could be told "If you beat NW or IL we will declare you national champions". Guaranteed they would come flat, lifeless and play like crap.
 
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NCAA tourney results are far more important to me than B1G finish.

He can average 7th place for his entire tenure at Iowa and I'd be OK with it if there are a few sweet 16s and an elite 8 thrown in.

2 first round NCAA wins in 8 years is not sufficient.
 
We really picked the wrong time to be bad and rebuilding when Lick was fired. The B10 was in a "down" stretch. With the right coach and players, we could have been what Wisconsin was during that period. Contending for conference titles and final fours. Instead we were rebuilding to being an average team and are now trying to push to the next level in the toughest the conference has been in around 2 decades. Such a missed opportunity.

Since that time the conference has added a typically good team in Maryland, and several schools have doubled down on basketball money in an attempt to push into the upper tier of the conference. We build an ok practice facility, but that's about it for investment into our program. Top-50 out of state players aren't signing with us and the in state talent only produces on average 1-2 true Power 5 kids per year.

I appreciate that we don't have a bag man paying off recruits or their families. But the problem is that most of the teams ahead of us do. Even teams like Duke, NC, MSU, and Kansas that shouldn't need to cheat are listed in the FBI probe. So, don't expect to be playing for conference championships or final fours unless the NCAA cleans that up, which won't happen. Unless that gets cleaned up we'll be lucky to compete for the 2nd weekend in the NCAAs every few years when we have a senior laden team. Next year is supposed to be that year because we should only graduate Baer. But we'll see if the glaring hole in our guard play gets figured out before next season.
 
So why can't Fran do something, anything when it counts? I have no illusions about competing for a BIG title because that simply doesn't mean much in the big picture to me. Whether Iowa cruises or sneaks into the NCAA tournament also doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is a 9 year trend of playing uninspired apathetic basketball in March, never being that team that plays with red ass in the BTT and going into the NCAA with 3 flat tires. Iowa could be told "If you beat NW or IL we will declare you national champions". Guaranteed they would come flat, lifeless and play like crap.

Some say it’s cause Fran rides them to hard during the season and the players just get sick of if. I personally don’t believe it, I think it deals more with X’s and O’s and the jimmy and joes late in the season. Fran doesn’t alter gameplan very often and rarely shakes up his line ups. He is very stubborn and late in the season teams have you scouted pretty good.

The Jimmy and the Joe’s are a whole another issue. AW pushed Iowa down the stretch his senior year. He was the leader and got after people. Look at our last two senior classes (Peter jok, Dom Uhl, Nicolas Baer).
 
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18-19 6
17-18 11
16-17 5
15-16 3
14-15 3
13-14 6
12-13 6
11-12 7
10-11 Doesn't count...he took over a train wreck

Six top 6 finishes and only 1 bad year.
Quite honestly, I'm not sure how you can defend this shit for basketball. To have a veteran team collapse this way is inexcusable. I mean, what the hell is the problem? I could be the coaches not recruiting a Power-5 caliber lineup. It could be the head coach doing something stupid like getting suspended at the end of a once-promising season. It could be the fact the head coaches son plays when he shouldn't (flat out not good enough). It could be decisions like hanging onto a timeout with 8.5 seconds left before halftime and watching your guys go down and not even get a shot off.

I don't love the idea of upending a man's life and family BUT Iowa Hawkeye basketball has been nothing but average, which is not good enough after 9 years. A collapse like this, most notably that disaster in Lincoln last night, can not happen. You shouldn't defend this if you hope to cheer for a winning program from here on out.
 
NCAA tourney results are far more important to me than B1G finish.

He can average 7th place for his entire tenure at Iowa and I'd be OK with it if there are a few sweet 16s and an elite 8 thrown in.

2 first round NCAA wins in 8 years is not sufficient.

Exactly. The regular season is the appetizer to the tournament. Fran's teams play their absolute worst ball in March year after year. It's a given which is why so many of us said this collapse was no surprise. You would think after 9 years Fran would be able to accidentally push the right buttons to get the team to respond. I will be shocked if they don't get blown out in the BTT regardless of who they play. Everyone appears to be more motivated than Iowa.
 
We really picked the wrong time to be bad and rebuilding when Lick was fired. The B10 was in a "down" stretch. With the right coach and players, we could have been what Wisconsin was during that period. Contending for conference titles and final fours. Instead we were rebuilding to being an average team and are now trying to push to the next level in the toughest the conference has been in around 2 decades. Such a missed opportunity.

Since that time the conference has added a typically good team in Maryland, and several schools have doubled down on basketball money in an attempt to push into the upper tier of the conference. We build an ok practice facility, but that's about it for investment into our program. Top-50 out of state players aren't signing with us and the in state talent only produces on average 1-2 true Power 5 kids per year.

I appreciate that we don't have a bag man paying off recruits or their families. But the problem is that most of the teams ahead of us do. Even teams like Duke, NC, MSU, and Kansas that shouldn't need to cheat are listed in the FBI probe. So, don't expect to be playing for conference championships or final fours unless the NCAA cleans that up, which won't happen. Unless that gets cleaned up we'll be lucky to compete for the 2nd weekend in the NCAAs every few years when we have a senior laden team. Next year is supposed to be that year because we should only graduate Baer. But we'll see if the glaring hole in our guard play gets figured out before next season.

FYI, MSU is not included in the FBI probe. I appreciate your hate for all things Izzo, but don't lump us in with Kansas, Kentucky and the like.
 
I'm not defending Fran. I just pointed out the records. The team
has made good strides from last year, but the last few weeks
have been frustrating.
After a coaches 8th year, which was a pathetic pathetic season obviously, you can't allow yourself to simply hit the reset button and think "well, if we win more games this year than we did last year we can consider it improvement. No. No. No. That is how average expectations are bred.
 
18-19 6
17-18 11
16-17 5
15-16 3
14-15 3
13-14 6
12-13 6
11-12 7
10-11 Doesn't count...he took over a train wreck

Six top 6 finishes and only 1 bad year.
Fran’s Big 10 conference record:

78-82 (48%)
In 9 YEARS Fran has not won even half his conference games...

Fran is an average coach who has peaked at Iowa. Look at the product on the court. This team has massively regressed since the Michigan win and is not a tourney team (though it will most likely slip in)... This is THE worst-coached defensive team in my 40+ years of watching the Hawks. Try all you want to warrant keeping Fran but he WILL eventually be fired ... But it won’t be for a few years because too many fans are fine with mediocrity ... And we have an AD who should have been fired 5x over.
 
After a coaches 8th year, which was a pathetic pathetic season obviously, you can't allow yourself to simply hit the reset button and think "well, if we win more games this year than we did last year we can consider it improvement. No. No. No. That is how average expectations are bred.

What was Dr Tom’s record in his 8th season at Iowa? 11-16 (5-13)

Exactly. The regular season is the appetizer to the tournament. Fran's teams play their absolute worst ball in March year after year. It's a given which is why so many of us said this collapse was no surprise. You would think after 9 years Fran would be able to accidentally push the right buttons to get the team to respond. I will be shocked if they don't get blown out in the BTT regardless of who they play. Everyone appears to be more motivated than Iowa.

It’s strange that Fran’s teams at Iowa have struggled in Feb and March. His teams at Siena played their best ball in February and March.
 
Ironic that 6th place is his average finish. There were five teams in the conference with a winning conference record this year. Iowa was .500 so 8 of 14 teams had losing records in conference play. It is a lot easier to get to .500 in today's conference structure than it was before they added PSU, Nubby, and Rutgers to the mix. Illinois is a shadow of what they were. Indiana is in a similar place although not as bad as Illinois. Wisconsin is better. So you have added two perennial winners (MD and WI) that are offset by 5 teams that are either much worse than they were in the day or have never been good for a net result of three teams that inflate W/L records. Taking that into consideration, .500 is far from "Outstanding."
 
What was Dr Tom’s record in his 8th season at Iowa? 11-16 (5-13)



It’s strange that Fran’s teams at Iowa have struggled in Feb and March. His teams at Siena played their best ball in February and March.

True. Look at the guards he had on the team that beat OSU.
 
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What was Dr Tom’s record in his 8th season at Iowa? 11-16 (5-13)



It’s strange that Fran’s teams at Iowa have struggled in Feb and March. His teams at Siena played their best ball in February and March.
11-16 in his 8th season? Also ridiculous. Iowa BBall stuck in the mud for decades.
 
After a coaches 8th year, which was a pathetic pathetic season obviously, you can't allow yourself to simply hit the reset button and think "well, if we win more games this year than we did last year we can consider it improvement. No. No. No. That is how average expectations are bred.
Ferentz has done it three times. Everyone loves it.
 
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Finishes can be deceiving when you consider where they were with a few weeks left in the season over multiple seasons.....with multiple different player combinations.
Could the OP please re-run those records showing only the last 10 games of each season. That will tell the true story of Fran’s tenure
 
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What makes this years finish so bad is who the Hawks lost to .
OSU: 0-3 since they best Iowa
Rutgers: 0-2 since they beat Iowa
Nebraska: They had lost 4 straight before beating Iowa.
Not exactly losing to good teams or hot teams.
 
What makes this years finish so bad is who the Hawks lost to .
OSU: 0-3 since they best Iowa
Rutgers: 0-2 since they beat Iowa
Nebraska: They had lost 4 straight before beating Iowa.
Not exactly losing to good teams or hot teams.

That’s just it, losing to teams who had been struggling before/after Iowa. We also gave Maryland their first win over a ranked team on the road (0-25)! Then we also helped Rutgers break a streak as well.

Ever since the MICH game this team has struggled. Won some UGLY games and also lost a lot of UGLY games. Hopefully they right the ship and get back to playing ball and can make a run in Chicago.
 
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Quite honestly, I'm not sure how you can defend this shit for basketball. To have a veteran team collapse this way is inexcusable. I mean, what the hell is the problem? I could be the coaches not recruiting a Power-5 caliber lineup. It could be the head coach doing something stupid like getting suspended at the end of a once-promising season. It could be the fact the head coaches son plays when he shouldn't (flat out not good enough). It could be decisions like hanging onto a timeout with 8.5 seconds left before halftime and watching your guys go down and not even get a shot off.

I don't love the idea of upending a man's life and family BUT Iowa Hawkeye basketball has been nothing but average, which is not good enough after 9 years. A collapse like this, most notably that disaster in Lincoln last night, can not happen. You shouldn't defend this if you hope to cheer for a winning program from here on out.
A team with one non-starting senior is not a “veteran” team.
 
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