Fran's comments after the game...
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The Tom Davis era, in terms of consistency of success, is the “next level” here. The eiites will be the elites, to expect Iowa to be in that class is a pipe dream.
Yeah I mean how could we possibly know what could happen after 9 years of mediocrity? I'm certain those 1st 9 years were just a fluke, now is his time to shine!
I don't think any of us expect Iowa to be among the elites. I just think we should expect to be a little better than an 7 to 10 seed once in awhile and to win more than 2 tournament games in 8 seasons. Oh yeah, and not completely fall apart at the end of the season and not have a coach who acts like a complete jackass most the time.
Race should not seem to matter but these kids want to connect with their coaches. Sometimes the reflection of your own image helps one envision where they want to be. Some college HCs are on rinse and repeat cycle a long time and need to be put out. The money makes it hard for a new guy to crack the old guard network, especially for young Black coaches( IMO). The NBA's policy of " one and dones" may have been the biggest disservice to young impressionable men. The first season of college basketball isan adjustment period when even the most developed new CMBB talent are learning to play a faster, harder game that requires more conditioning, more focus and an improvement on their overall game because they will be playing older, more mature (seasoned) college talent that can score and play physical defense. If said one and dones had a second season, they should be developing their leadership skills as they are more familar with the physical grind, the speed of the game, and the pressure of performing. That is something that too many one and dones miss by leaping to the NBA for that extra contract money (fool's gold) that the media hypes up.
Fran hiring new assistants now is an 11th eleventh hour move to save his butt. Fran cannot change because he will not listen to anyone else. His way only. Crash and Burn. I am done with Fran's way. I am not buying tickets and maybe it time to quit watching. Iowa basketball sucks again , much like Lickliter ball did.
The problem is the Illini are struggling right now and we haven’t been able to capitalize on the Chicago market.
You were fine until that last sentence. We are nowhere close to Lick like levels. I understanding not watching/buying tickets or whatever but let’s not go off the deep end and compare the current product to the Lick years.
Let’s take a look at the Davis era.
These are each coach’s B1G win % (with their own recruits):
TD - .505%
SA - .538%
FM - .523%
Or as some would say, sucks as bad as Lickliter ball. Lick Ball was .278 in the B1G and his results got worse each season as he worked more of his recruits into the mix.
Edit* by “worked more of his recruits into the mix”, I clearly meant run off the best players on his team.
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Iowa has been seeded better than a 7 twice in the last 20 years. They’ve made it past the first weekend once in the last 29 seasons.
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So that's it, let's just settle for that then because we've had some crappy coaches, so let's not try to be any better. Got it.
I have no idea where you got your numbers. If you go by regular season B1G records, it breaks out like this:
Davis' last 10 years without the Raveling stars: 90-86 or .511
Alford: 61-65 or .484
Fran: 88-86 or .506
If you want to include the B1G tournament results, they look like this
Davis 90-88 or .506
Alford 75-70 or .517 (the B1G tournament was his only success)
Fran 91-94 or .491
If you are going to include the B1G numbers, I get to include NCAA results
Davis 7-6 and one Sweet 16. Never lost a first-round game
Alford 1-3 with a loss as a 3 seed to a 14 seed mixed in
Fran 2-3
And one more thing dealing with recruiting: the University chased off the best recruit of Davis' tenure. They chose to allow a convicted sexual predator to stay on the team, though, because Alford was a good church-going man and Bowlsby didn't have the integrity to take on his chosen boy. Ray Thompson was a difference-maker. His academic difficulties would have been managed by any other major program and his drunk and disorderly hardly rises to the level of sexual assault or armed robbery.
Right off of sportsreference.com, but the numbers didn’t reflect yesterday’s loss.
Like I said (with their own recruits or minus their first three years):
Davis: 89-87 or .505 (89-89 including the BTT or .500)
Alford: 43-37 or .538
McCaffery (to date): 57-53 or .518
B1G record after their first three years.
Davis:
89-90 4-14
90-91 9-9
91-92 10-8
92-93 11-7
93-94 5-13
94-95 9-9
95-96 11-7
96-97 12-6
97-98 9-7
98-99 9-7
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89-87 .505
NCAAs: 6 times (or 60%) in these ten years with one sweet 16.
Alford:
02-03 7-9
03-04 9-7
04-05 7-9
05-06 11-5
06-07 9-7
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43-37 .538
NCAAs: 2 times (or 40%) with two first rd losses.
McCaffery
13-14 9-9
14-15 12-6
15-16 12-6
16-17 10-8
17-18 4-14
18-19 10-10
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57-53 .518
NCAAs: (including this year as going) 4 times (67%) in six years with 1 first rd loss and 2 first rd wins.
Davis:
89-90 4-14
90-91 9-9
91-92 10-8
92-93 11-7
93-94 5-13
94-95 9-9
95-96 11-7
96-97 12-6
97-98 9-7
98-99 9-7
——————
89-87 .505
NCAAs: 6 times (or 60%) in these ten years with one sweet 16.
Alford:
02-03 7-9
03-04 9-7
04-05 7-9
05-06 11-5
06-07 9-7
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43-37 .538
NCAAs: 2 times (or 40%) with two first rd losses.
McCaffery
13-14 9-9
14-15 12-6
15-16 12-6
16-17 10-8
17-18 4-14
18-19 10-10
——————
57-53 .518
NCAAs: (including this year as going) 4 times (67%) in six years with 1 first rd loss and 2 first rd wins.
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“Right now”? They’ve been struggling since 2007 and Iowa hasn’t come close to capitalizing.
Never say never though. Fran is only 60. He might be a late bloomer.
I give him credit for getting our program off of the mat after Scumbag Steve and Dicklick cratered it, but it's time for a change. There is too much talent on this team for this to happen.
Let’s also not forget that Fran has a slightly more watered down version of the Big 10 with a Nebraska and Rutgers in the mix and not slays having to play the top tier teams twice.
18th in $$$$ for d-1 schools Change Why?Iowa Sports hard bottom line business. Win next! Go Hawk Players.
True, Rutgers and Nebraska water it down, but Maryland is a good add...traditionally a solid bball program.
That's fair enough, but he also went from 9-5 on 2/16 to 10-10 on 3/10, and the team looked really bad. What "changes" did he make?
I will agree that the change in conference record this year compared to last year buys Fran another year, but I hope to God that your boy GB grows some cojones and draws a line in the sand, giving Fran an ultimatum on improving the glaring weaknesses of this program if he wants to keep his job.
Well if you want to cherry pick statistics to bolster your case, Davis' record doesn't start until the 90-91 season because Jepsen was still on the 89-90 team and he was a Raveling recruit. So Davis' B1G record was 86-72 (.544) or 86-74 (.538) if you count the B1G tournament. He was 7-6 in 6 NCAA appearances in that time.
Similarly, we don't start counting Fran's records until the 2014-2015 season because Marble and McCabe committed to Lickliter. So Fran's record is 48-44 (.522) or 49-48 (.505) counting the B1G tournament. He is 2-2 in two NCAA appearances.
The reality is that a coach owns every game under his tenure. We don't get to ignore KF's first two years or Hayden's first two years. These guys are all responsible for their entire body of work. Davis was hands down a better coach and indisputably a better person than Fran.
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