Gary Patterson wants Conference championships eliminated.

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Of course he does.

His reasoning though is that he believes they don't make that much money. He forgets to realize though, that it opens the door for even more controversy when you could potentially have more than one undefeated team per conference.

He wants a 6 team playoff system, with the number one and two seed both being able to have an automatic bye and wait for the winners of the other two games.

So basically I like the idea of 6 teams better, but why do conference championship games need to be eliminated? With 5 power conferences you would take the winner of each, and then there would be a sort of 'wildcard' spot for the 6th spot.

How about the B12 just find a way to have a conference championship game? Still a bit butthurt it seems.

Edited due to for not spelling seed correctly. I left off the d. Everybody knows that the D is important.
This post was edited on 2/13 11:17 AM by Aegon_Targaryen

Oh Gary....

 

[TankHawk]

The B12 doesn't need one because they already have "One True Champion!!"
This year that one champion was Baylor, no wait it was TCU, no it was Baylor........

 

[TNK85]

Big 12 people are just flat out stupid. They all were crying about the Big 10 not having a championship game before all the realignment. Now that they don't have one they think the championship games are pointless. I can't wait for Texas to just blow up that conference
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[theIowaHawk]

I have no problem with co-champions in conference, but it is hilarious that THIS was their slogan and then crowned them co-champions.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

The ultimately need to go to 4 superconferences of either 14/16 teams each, with their championship games being the first round of the playoff, and their champs making up the final 4. Keeps the value of every conference game, plus still gives the playoff vibe. Make it a separate division from the rest of the FBS.

 

[SingaporeHawk]

I think you are absolutely correct about the 4 Super Conferences (or 4 plus one because Notre Dame is special). Maybe there will be a sub-conference for the rest of the teams. In reality, ten years from now, I think we will look back and see that a core group of 10 to 12 teams will always be in the semi-finals and finals. Interest is going to waver among the other teams.

 

[littleton tiger]

I've always liked a 6 team playoff and feel it would be a huge improvement over the current 4 team model. I am opposed tp super conferences as they would be hard to manage and would tend to hurt traditional rivalries in some cases.

 

[scarletred]

6 team playoff would mean 2 of the 4 would get a bye how is that fair to the other 4 who have to play.

4 teams are just fine. The Big 12 screwed them selves by saying One conference one true Champion and then they couldn't name who the champion was after their was a share...

My opinion but TCU was the better team at the end of the regular season.

This post was edited on 2/14 1:48 PM by scarletred

 

[Cougar63]

Originally posted by scarletred:
6 team playoff would mean 2 of the 4 would get a bye how is that fair to the other 4 who half to play.

4 teams are just fine. The Big 12 screwed them selves by saying One conference one true Champion and then they couldn't name who the champion was after their was a share...

My opinion but TCU was the better team at the end of the regular season.

nice WOB.

Nothing is going to be 100% fair at all times. 6 teams is smart, most years you can decisively say who the best teams in the nation are, if not, the best team in the nation can handle an extra game.

 

[scarletred]

Sorry fixed it.

Still College football isn't the NFL playoffs. Needs to be paired up fairly.

Last year only TCU and Baylor had a bitch about being in the playoffs and that was their fault.

Name another team that deserved to play in the playoffs... Please don't say MSU they lost to Oregon and tOSU.

 

[Cougar63]

So the team who's only loses where to the number one and two teams in the nation didn't deserve to be there? Why not? Both fsu and alabama got in and their losses were to those teams.

 

[scarletred]

Originally posted by Cougar63:
So the team who's only loses where to the number one and two teams in the nation didn't deserve to be there? Why not? Both fsu and alabama got in and their losses were to those teams.

Wait a minute FSU was unbeaten going into the playoffs and they were conference champs. Your looking at this after the playoffs.
Alabama was #1 Oregon and FSU were #2 and #3 Ohio State was #4 all were conference champs.

MSU didn't win the B1G plus they were #7.

 

[MAXIMUSHAWKEYE]

I doubt that Iowa will ever be in the conversation for a national championship. I doubt we ever compete again for a BIG championship. We simply can't recruit with the OSUs. The way the college landscape is shaping up. I wonder if it wouldn't be best for the MAC level schools to form their own College FB division and play for their own National Championship. Iowa should consider going that route. It would create more excitement for those schools fan base to know they actually are in class where the playing field is more level. The SEC cheats big time and practically pays their players. We have OSU that has copied their recruting tactics and they are already in talent rich area where players grow being fans and family can watch them.

 

[St_Henry_Buckeye]

Can you please point me to some evidence to back up this statement about how tOSU "cheats and practically pays their players"? I'd love to see what evidence you have to back this up. Or are you just making things up to help you feel better about your coach's poor recruiting and coaching? I think we both know you have no proof. You want to win more games? Get a better coach.

Originally posted by MAXIMUSHAWKEYE:
I doubt that Iowa will ever be in the conversation for a national championship. I doubt we ever compete again for a BIG championship. We simply can't recruit with the OSUs. The way the college landscape is shaping up. I wonder if it wouldn't be best for the MAC level schools to form their own College FB division and play for their own National Championship. Iowa should consider going that route. It would create more excitement for those schools fan base to know they actually are in class where the playing field is more level. The SEC cheats big time and practically pays their players. We have OSU that has copied their recruting tactics and they are already in talent rich area where players grow being fans and family can watch them.[/B]

 

[Hawk_4shur]

I wonder .... is it possible that it's fine right now? Does everything have to change to be better?

 

[Urohawk]

Originally posted by St_Henry_Buckeye:
Can you please point me to some evidence to back up this statement about how tOSU "cheats and practically pays their players"? I'd love to see what evidence you have to back this up. Or are you just making things up to help you feel better about your coach's poor recruiting and coaching? I think we both know you have no proof. You want to win more games? Get a better coach.

Originally posted by MAXIMUSHAWKEYE:
I doubt that Iowa will ever be in the conversation for a national championship. I doubt we ever compete again for a BIG championship. We simply can't recruit with the OSUs. The way the college landscape is shaping up. I wonder if it wouldn't be best for the MAC level schools to form their own College FB division and play for their own National Championship. Iowa should consider going that route. It would create more excitement for those schools fan base to know they actually are in class where the playing field is more level. The SEC cheats big time and practically pays their players. We have OSU that has copied their recruting tactics and they are already in talent rich area where players grow being fans and family can watch them.[/B]

Perhaps the thrill of a national championship has clouded your memory..... but here goes:

"The NCAA's additional penalties brought a surprise end to a scandal that
morphed from improper player sales of memorabilia to players being paid
by a booster for attending a charity event and for hours not worked at
part-time jobs."

News announcment of OSU cheating!

 

[Bill_D]

Originally posted by SingaporeHawk:
I think you are absolutely correct about the 4 Super Conferences (or 4 plus one because Notre Dame is special). Maybe there will be a sub-conference for the rest of the teams. In reality, ten years from now, I think we will look back and see that a core group of 10 to 12 teams will always be in the semi-finals and finals. Interest is going to waver among the other teams.

Interest is going to waver among the other teams.

You just nailed why the President's Committee of the NCAA has always fought the playoff system. It will result ultimately in the decline in interest in the money cow of college athletics, college football. This will significantly reduce attendance and alumni contributions even to the academic side. The athletic side is like advertising.

They loved the BCS. They were not interested in a true NC, just attendance and bowl games. They permitted the BCS, hoping that it would provide an answer to the demand for a true NC. It probably did. But purists scrambled for more. They did not like watching meaningless bowl games. So the sports media jumped on the side of the playoff because they can make more money with playoff games.

 

[St_Henry_Buckeye]

I will ask again. What evidence is there that tOSU has ever paid their players or recruits. You must be a bit clouded yourself. The poster claimed that tOSU cheats and pays players and recruits. I await any proof you might have. Perhaps all of the Iowa losses have clouded your mind.

Originally posted by Urohawk:

Originally posted by St_Henry_Buckeye:
Can you please point me to some evidence to back up this statement about how tOSU "cheats and practically pays their players"? I'd love to see what evidence you have to back this up. Or are you just making things up to help you feel better about your coach's poor recruiting and coaching? I think we both know you have no proof. You want to win more games? Get a better coach.

Perhaps the thrill of a national championship has clouded your memory..... but here goes:

"The NCAA's additional penalties brought a surprise end to a scandal that
morphed from improper player sales of memorabilia to players being paid
by a booster for attending a charity event and for hours not worked at
part-time jobs."

 

[Urohawk]

Originally posted by St_Henry_Buckeye:
I will ask again. What evidence is there that tOSU has ever paid their players or recruits. You must be a bit clouded yourself. The poster claimed that tOSU cheats and pays players and recruits. I await any proof you might have. Perhaps all of the Iowa losses have clouded your mind.

Originally posted by Urohawk:

Originally posted by St_Henry_Buckeye:
Can you please point me to some evidence to back up this statement about how tOSU "cheats and practically pays their players"? I'd love to see what evidence you have to back this up. Or are you just making things up to help you feel better about your coach's poor recruiting and coaching? I think we both know you have no proof. You want to win more games? Get a better coach.

Perhaps the thrill of a national championship has clouded your memory..... but here goes:

"The NCAA's additional penalties brought a surprise end to a scandal that
morphed from improper player sales of memorabilia to players being paid
by a booster for attending a charity event and for hours not worked at
part-time jobs."

I assume the University doesn't have to pay players....You're boosters do a great job at it!

 

[yiana]

You think there's proof of paying players? Like it's all recorded or written down?
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[Lone Clone]

Originally posted by TNK85:
Big 12 people are just flat out stupid. They all were crying about the Big 10 not having a championship game before all the realignment. Now that they don't have one they think the championship games are pointless. I can't wait for Texas to just blow up that conference
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Who are "Big 12 people" ?

I sure as hell am opposed expansion in order to get a championship game, and so are all the athletic directors, as they made very, VERY clear at the recently concluded conference.

I have seen some fans take this position, but by far the most of it is coming from sportswriters who don't know WTF they're talking about.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

4 teams is perfect. Why must we focus on undeserving teams that got left out because undeserving teams got in?

It was a fair process. All TCU and Baylor had to do was win all their games. They didn't do that which put them to the mercy of a vote and they lost,.

All that being said I loved the playoff and would love expansion.... Let's go to 32 teams! Or 64! We could do the tourney in the spring - it'd be great!

 

[Slappy Pappy]

Originally posted by Hawk and Awe:
4 teams is perfect. Why must we focus on undeserving teams that got left out because undeserving teams got in?

It was a fair process. All TCU and Baylor had to do was win all their games. They didn't do that which put them to the mercy of a vote and they lost,.

All that being said I loved the playoff and would love expansion.... Let's go to 32 teams! Or 64! We could do the tourney in the spring - it'd be great!

Oooo...I like the sound of 64 teams! That is basically the entire 'Big 5' lineup! That way, we could get both a regular season champion by polls, then a tournament playoff champ! And only by including all teams would you really know who the best was, and make sure no one was left out. You're only talking a couple games for most of those teams, and they're all bowling anyway...so make the bowls the first round,with the winners advancing...think of the $, think of the ratings!

 

[TankHawk]

Originally posted by Slappy Pappy:

All that being said I loved the playoff and would love expansion.... Let's go to 32 teams! Or 64! We could do the tourney in the spring - it'd be great!

Oooo...I like the sound of 64 teams! That is basically the entire 'Big 5' lineup! That way, we could get both a regular season champion by polls, then a tournament playoff champ! And only by including all teams would you really know who the best was, and make sure no one was left out. You're only talking a couple games for most of those teams, and they're all bowling anyway...so make the bowls the first round,with the winners advancing...think of the $, think of the ratings!

Why do I have the feeling Iowa would be a "bubble team" in a 64 team football playoff also.;

 

[Win5002]

Last time I checked OSU, Oregon & Alabama all lost a game and failed to win all of their games as well. Only college football fans can come up with that stupid cliché line" All team X had to do was win all their games" usually when the team that gets the nod in front of them has also lost a game.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Originally posted by Win5002:


Last time I checked OSU, Oregon & Alabama all lost a game and failed to win all of their games as well. Only college football fans can come up with that stupid cliché line" All team X had to do was win all their games" usually when the team that gets the nod in front of them has also lost a game.

Which is why a conference championship game is still very much valid IMO. It at least gives you a good look at who was the best in the conference.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

Originally posted by Win5002:

Last time I checked OSU, Oregon & Alabama all lost a game and failed to win all of their games as well. Only college football fans can come up with that stupid cliché line" All team X had to do was win all their games" usually when the team that gets the nod in front of them has also lost a game.

It's not a cliche... It's literally all they had to do. The other 3 were at the same mercy and lucked out.

To me all that matters is a truly deserving team should never be left out and that won't happen with 4 teams.

Others want to make sure all "equally deserving" teams get in. That's fine and I respect that view - I just find it unnecessary.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Originally posted by Win5002:

Last time I checked OSU, Oregon & Alabama all lost a game and failed to win all of their games as well. Only college football fans can come up with that stupid cliché line" All team X had to do was win all their games" usually when the team that gets the nod in front of them has also lost a game.

There is a very obvious fact that you completely ignore:

Those teams won their conferences outright, all by winning a conference championship, although all of them would have won their conferences outright without the championship game.

OSU didn't lose in conference.
Oregon won their conference championship, beating the team they lost to previously.
Alabama won their conference championship, the team that beat them was not in contention.

Therefore they were all conference winners. They didn't "have" to win more games than they did, they won enough to win their conference.

TCU lost to Baylor.
Baylor lost to West Virginia, a team not in contention for the conference title.

You can certainly argue who was the better team between TCU and Baylor, but by not presenting one as the champion (rightfully Baylor) they did not win their conference outright.

The others did. They "won all their games" that were necessary.

IMO, it would have been a much bigger travesty to have allowed TCU to jump Baylor, but many pundits seemed on board with that proposal.

 

[Lone Clone]

Originally posted by theIowaHawk:

Originally posted by Win5002:

Last time I checked OSU, Oregon & Alabama all lost a game and failed to win all of their games as well. Only college football fans can come up with that stupid cliché line" All team X had to do was win all their games" usually when the team that gets the nod in front of them has also lost a game.

There is a very obvious fact that you completely ignore:

Those teams won their conferences outright, all by winning a conference championship, although all of them would have won their conferences outright without the championship game.

OSU didn't lose in conference.
Oregon won their conference championship, beating the team they lost to previously.
Alabama won their conference championship, the team that beat them was not in contention.

Therefore they were all conference winners. They didn't "have" to win more games than they did, they won enough to win their conference.

TCU lost to Baylor.
Baylor lost to West Virginia, a team not in contention for the conference title.

You can certainly argue who was the better team between TCU and Baylor, but by not presenting one as the champion (rightfully Baylor) they did not win their conference outright.

The others did. They "won all their games" that were necessary.

IMO, it would have been a much bigger travesty to have allowed TCU to jump Baylor, but many pundits seemed on board with that proposal.

I think the situation in the Big XII was pretty clear. TCU was the best team in the league, and Baylor was the champion in terms of representing the conference in the post-season. Same conference record, and the tiebreaker was head-to-head result. No-brainer. People are trying to make it more complicated than it was. The "One True Champion" line was absolutely correct.

It would have been more complicated if, for instance, there had been a three-way tie with West Virginia in the mix. Then the tiebreaker isn't as clear and obvious.

Ironically, when the Big XII had a championship game, it cost the league a spot in the NC game at least once, maybe more than once.

You could argue that this year the lack of a championship game cost a spot in the NC playoff, but I think it's more accurate to say that the BiG got a spot it wouldn't have otherwise gotten, thanks to its championship game. Had the selections been made at the end of the regular season, I don't think tOSU would have made it.

 

[hawk44ever]

Personally, I wish the Big 10 was still 11 teams. I miss the days of playing every team in football and home and home in basketball. I'm not smart enough to figure out the ever changing schedules. I know we will go to 16 eventually, which will be even worse. Play 7 teams in your own division and 1-2 from the other division. Completely random and unbalanced scheduling.

 

[Mountain Man Hawk]

I'm not so sure it was obvious TCU was the best team at the end of the regular season. I get it they won their bowl game convincingly while Baylor lost their bowl game so it seems obvious in hindsight. But the last game of the regular season when Baylor pasted KSU I don't think there was any sort of consensus that Baylor was the inferior team.
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[klemman]

Originally posted by St_Henry_Buckeye:
I will ask again. What evidence is there that tOSU has ever paid their players or recruits. You must be a bit clouded yourself. The poster claimed that tOSU cheats and pays players and recruits. I await any proof you might have. Perhaps all of the Iowa losses have clouded your mind.

Come on St Henry, everyone knows that all the players at OSU get paid thousands of dollars, none go to classes, and Urban Meyer encourages murder.

 

[klemman]

There are certainly reasons to oppose a Conference Championship Game, but when your stand on an issue is obviously laced with bias to create a favor in your behalf it loses credibility.

So you question the intent when a Big 12 coach is against a Conference Championship Game for "financial" reason, just as you question a Bielema or Saban for being against up tempo offenses for "safety" reasons.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

I think the situation in the Big XII was pretty clear. TCU was the best team in the league, and Baylor was the champion in terms of representing the conference in the post-season. Same conference record, and the tiebreaker was head-to-head result. No-brainer.

So you mean that Baylor was the best team in the league.

People are trying to make it more complicated than it was. The "One True Champion" line was absolutely correct.

It would have been more complicated if, for instance, there had been a three-way tie with West Virginia in the mix. Then the tiebreaker isn't as clear and obvious.

Ironically, when the Big XII had a championship game, it cost the league a spot in the NC game at least once, maybe more than once.

You could argue that this year the lack of a championship game cost a spot in the NC playoff, but I think it's more accurate to say that the BiG got a spot it wouldn't have otherwise gotten, thanks to its championship game. Had the selections been made at the end of the regular season, I don't think tOSU would have made it.

If you meant Baylor, I agree. They should have been declared champion (although I don't really have a problem with co-champion, just the complaints about not making it in afterward).

But, if you actually mean that TCU was clearly the best team in the league.............why?

I certainly agree about OSU. They had "won" the conference via traditional criteria, but likely would have been kept out by Baylor, who "won" theirs. But even then, arguing over which team "deserved" it would have been silly. Was OSU losing early to VTech (7-6) really that much worse than Baylor losing to WVU (7-6)?

 

[MateenCleaves]

Originally posted by klemman:

Originally posted by St_Henry_Buckeye:
I will ask again. What evidence is there that tOSU has ever paid their players or recruits. You must be a bit clouded yourself. The poster claimed that tOSU cheats and pays players and recruits. I await any proof you might have. Perhaps all of the Iowa losses have clouded your mind.

Come on St Henry, everyone knows that all the players at OSU get paid thousands of dollars, none go to classes, and Urban Meyer encourages murder.

He said Ohio State has taken on the recruiting tactics of the SEC and he's correct. The oversigning and ruthless propaganda Meyer practices is an embarrassment to both the fine institution of Ohio Sate and the top conference in the country they reside in. At least Alabama and Tennessee are unaccredited "universities" that are expected to behave improperly.

Just look how many kids Meyer is unloading this year to make way for more recruits. I'm sure you're going to tell us all how some received a "medical DQ" or they were "buried on the depth chart" or some other garbage rationale the Buckeyes use to run players off. I envy Meyer's ability to suppress the human emotion of guilt. It must feel liberating.


This post was edited on 2/19 12:13 PM by MateenCleaves

 

[klemman]

I actually know from an insider that Meyer personally sneaks into the apartments of players he wants to get rid of and breaks their knees with a baseball bat.

 

[MateenCleaves]

Originally posted by klemman:
I actually know from an insider that Meyer personally sneaks into the apartments of players he wants to get rid of and breaks their knees with a baseball bat.

That's a little extreme on Meyer's part, IMO, considering all he has to do is have a meeting with the kids he's ready to cut.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

Originally posted by hawk44ever:

Personally, I wish the Big 10 was still 11 teams. I miss the days of playing every team in football and home and home in basketball. I'm not smart enough to figure out the ever changing schedules. I know we will go to 16 eventually, which will be even worse. Play 7 teams in your own division and 1-2 from the other division. Completely random and unbalanced scheduling.

Instead of 16, I think the B10 should go to 20. Then, you could split divisions into the Original 10, and the New 10. No crossover play, each team plays all 9 in their division. The two division champs then meet in the championship game.

 

[klemman]

Yes, if a coach is oversigning and kicking players who don't produce to make room, that would be very wrong. But if that were the case, I wouldn't see kids who never lived up to the expectations when they came to OSU walk across the field on senior day. But there they are, every year. Why weren't they forced out?

Making up medical,reasons to force,kids out? Like Devin Bogarde who this past season had the misfortune of his 3rd ACL tear? Seems to me that the opportunity to finish his education without the continuing physical,stress might be a viable option.

How about Armani Reeves, another player slotted to go based on medical reasons. He was the starting Nickle Back last year and would be a favorite to start at corner this year. He's had several concussions that led him to missing the last half of the season. Seems to me that he would be a guy Meyer would rather have still on the team.

Two of the players who are officially on the team that makes the numbers look off are planning to graduate this Spring with eligibility remaining.

There may be a couple of transfers as there are every other year. No one is forcing them to transfer and I think there is nothing wrong with telling a player that it is unlikely at this point in their career that they would see the field. And if they want to play it might be best for them to look at other options.

 

[Lone Clone]

Originally posted by theIowaHawk:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

I think the situation in the Big XII was pretty clear. TCU was the best team in the league, and Baylor was the champion in terms of representing the conference in the post-season. Same conference record, and the tiebreaker was head-to-head result. No-brainer.

So you mean that Baylor was the best team in the league.

People are trying to make it more complicated than it was. The "One True Champion" line was absolutely correct.

It would have been more complicated if, for instance, there had been a three-way tie with West Virginia in the mix. Then the tiebreaker isn't as clear and obvious.

Ironically, when the Big XII had a championship game, it cost the league a spot in the NC game at least once, maybe more than once.

You could argue that this year the lack of a championship game cost a spot in the NC playoff, but I think it's more accurate to say that the BiG got a spot it wouldn't have otherwise gotten, thanks to its championship game. Had the selections been made at the end of the regular season, I don't think tOSU would have made it.

If you meant Baylor, I agree. They should have been declared champion (although I don't really have a problem with co-champion, just the complaints about not making it in afterward).

But, if you actually mean that TCU was clearly the best team in the league.............why?

I certainly agree about OSU. They had "won" the conference via traditional criteria, but likely would have been kept out by Baylor, who "won" theirs. But even then, arguing over which team "deserved" it would have been silly. Was OSU losing early to VTech (7-6) really that much worse than Baylor losing to WVU (7-6)?

No, I meant TCU. Most people familiar with the league thought the toads were better than the bears, despite the upset in Waco.