I think it was Pyles...but he was waffling as usual. Cue Crablegs to give his thoughts on how we are homers and Fix will win it all
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I think it was Pyles...but he was waffling as usual. Cue Crablegs to give his thoughts on how we are homers and Fix will win it all
At 57 kg, I would guess it is between Fix, Tomasello, and the field.
One thing is for certain...you wouldn't want to leave your LAX helmet anywhere near the guy!
While that class overall was a disappointment, you're synopsis is a huge exaggeration and not accurate. Evans and Bobby never won the big one but they had great careers. Mike put together a couple great runs and wrestled his ass off in a couple loaded weight classes. Bobby got derailed by injuries but he was very offensive by heavyweight standards and had a great career. The problem was that entire 2010 class nationally was weak and got engulfed by stronger wrestlers in later classes.
I see what you did there. well played.
I like Gilman right now. Everything is in his favor to make another team being a defending medalist.I think it was Pyles...but he was waffling as usual. Cue Crablegs to give his thoughts on how we are homers and Fix will win it all
I’d put NATO, Fix, and Lee as a 3 way tie for runner up. Not sure I’ve seen anything that could clearly separate those guys. It’s a good weight for the US and Gilman is the man to beat right now. Lee/Fix are the favorites in a year or 2.
Nothing to clearly separate these guys?!? You didn't see the a**-beating Lee doled out on NATO in Cleveland?
I saw Gadsen pin Snyder, Caldwell beat Metcalf, Cruz control Gilman, and Jenkins pin Taylor. One match at the NCAA tournament does not mean a ton for future success.
That said, I would take Lee over NATO. But also acknowledge that it is pretty close and consider them very close at this time. As I said, in 2 years (2020) I think Lee is head and shoulder above everyone but Fix.
Not disagreeing too much. In 2020, it's Lee then everyone else. I'm putting fix with everyone else not lee. Also, kyvon and Bubba caught guys, Lee dominated every position against Nato. I'll give you Cruz and Gilman was a good example of your point though.
But he dominated one match, not either of the previous ones. I think that they are closer to the first two matches than the 3rd.
The Spencer “Free the Knee” Lee version is a beast. He simply wrestled better once that thing came off.
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The light switch was turned on he went from great to absolute beast. I don’t think Lee is anywhere near his peak from what I have seen. That is scary let’s just say his progress is half of what lightweight Hawks have made, that would put him in another stratosphere.
Seeing Gilman in that hat reminded me of this.
It was the most recent match and he dominated everybody else too. Lee was wrestling on a higher plane...simple as that.
Now freestyle is different but if we are to believe his world title results, he’s pretty good at that as well.
I see a transition in freestyle most recent high level talent from the US are adapting there folkstyle much better into there freestyle game . Taylor is one example that has really impressed me with his ability to use his folkstyle tilts, cradles ect instead of traditional laces and guts to excel in in free. Ringer is able to use his dump better than I had expected. I see guys like Taylor and Spencer bringing there top skills to the next level like we have not seen.
I agree, but was that just one tournament or indicative that he has completely jumped to that level. So, now is it also clear that Ronnie Perry is a clear favorite over Sorenson?
I lean towards it was a great NCAA for Spencer, but NATO is still very close and can beat him any given day. If he dominates their next matchup again I will change my opinion, but lean towards the 2 of 3 being extremely close and the 1 domination being the anomaly.
You full of it. What an ignorant analogy.
Yes, but not he specifics. Just the fact that 1 match doesn’t change my opinion much when there is previous history. 1 win is an anomaly. So, id still pick BS to beat Perry next matchup. I’d also still expect a NATO/Lee matchup to be close in their next meeting.
Point is when guys have wrestled 3 matches in 4 months, 2 are close nail biters and one is relatively dominant, im basing my opinion of their next match off of the 2, not the 1. This should be simple for everyone to understand.
Wasn't Lee coming off an injury? Wasn't Lee - a true freshmen - just getting the hang of things? Didn't Lee show some improvement from Bresser to Suriano. You're the one that isn't making sense.
So he was coming off an injury at B1Gs and wasn’t at NCAAs? His knee went from what 75% to 100% in a week and a half. What lucky timing.
You guys get so sensitive. All I’m predicting is a close match between NATO and Spencer. I even predicted Spencer to win. Feel free to disagree. If you think it’s a sure tech or pin for Spencer. Go right ahead and think that. No reason to get defensive about me picking Spencer to win a tight one against a very, very good wrestler.
I am going to give you a take back on the Ronnie Perry/Sorensen thing...because you will be sitting on the crapper in an hour or two and think just how dumb it was and really want one.
One way to look at is to compare Lee's first match with Picc and Rivera. Starts huge, ends closer. Next match, domination. I respect NATO but Lee is a little bit better in neutral which is NATO's toughest position and a hell of a lot better on the mat. Lee also dominated Suriano who I also think beats NATO.
Just another episode in your quest to prove your "objectivity." Yea yea...we get it. "Crableg's Dull Razor" (See Occam's Razor)-Given two choices, always pontificate against the Iowa guy.
I think you guys are overvaluing Spencer’s NCAA tournament, but go right ahead and do that. How many times does a wrestler get really hot and have a great NCAA tournament?
I also think NATO is slightly better in neutral right now, but agree about the mat. NATO has more takedowns in their 3 matchups, right?
If Spencer can duplicate what he did to NATO this spring then Gilman stands no chance. Gilman and NATO are razor close.
I’m picking Gilman to make the team, and Spencer to beat NATO. Only an over sensitive Iowa fan could think I’m going against the Iowa guy here.
Why would you pick Spencer in freestyle if NATO is better in neutral? BTW...the argument isn't about Spencer Teching or pinning NATO...quit trying to reframe it and move the goalposts. It's about being the visibly better wrestler. Now, you can pretend that Spencer pulled a Perry or a Moisey and just had a good tournament but then you disregard just about everything about Spencer Lee's wrestling history. Not getting TD's against NATO in two matches was the anomaly, not vice versa. BTW...using the "overly sensitive fan" to try and deflect when you are wrong only works a certain amount of times. It's not about Nato or Lee...it's just your predictable shtick.
Picking Gilman? I bet that had to hurt after your no shot in hell prediction last year.
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Picking Gilman? I bet that had to hurt after your no shot in hell prediction last year.
Did he make the "laughable" prediction?
Read my first post on this thread that got people up in arms. No moving the goalposts. People mad that I put NATO and Spencer in the same category.Why would you pick Spencer in freestyle if NATO is better in neutral? BTW...the argument isn't about Spencer Teching or pinning NATO...quit trying to reframe it and move the goalposts. It's about being the visibly better wrestler. Now, you can pretend that Spencer pulled a Perry or a Moisey and just had a good tournament but then you disregard just about everything about Spencer Lee's wrestling history. Not getting TD's against NATO in two matches was the anomaly, not vice versa. BTW...using the "overly sensitive fan" to try and deflect when you are wrong only works a certain amount of times. It's not about Nato or Lee...it's just your predictable shtick.
Picking Gilman? I bet that had to hurt after your no shot in hell prediction last year.
Oh, and there is too wrestling in freestyle. You should watch sometime.
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Exactly. Crabhead isn't making too much sense above. Lee was better vs every opponent than the previous times he met them during the season.
It's pretty obvious the match with Nato wasn't just a fluke. Lee improved each time out against Nato and once the knee was free at nationals, it was clear he hit another level.
Not saying Nato has no shot at beating him, but I'll take true freshman Spencer Lee who has shown massive improvement in just a few months over Rshirt senior Tomasello.
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You're sounding a lot like Flo now. "the field", an "anomaly".
Funny that there are still skeptics regarding Lee. This is @Dagboi's cue.
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How dare ye question the god of objective opinions? Oversensitive Iowa fans, pshh.
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Why would you pick Spencer in freestyle if NATO is better in neutral? BTW...the argument isn't about Spencer Teching or pinning NATO...quit trying to reframe it and move the goalposts. It's about being the visibly better wrestler. Now, you can pretend that Spencer pulled a Perry or a Moisey and just had a good tournament but then you disregard just about everything about Spencer Lee's wrestling history. Not getting TD's against NATO in two matches was the anomaly, not vice versa. BTW...using the "overly sensitive fan" to try and deflect when you are wrong only works a certain amount of times. It's not about Nato or Lee...it's just your predictable shtick.
Picking Gilman? I bet that had to hurt after your no shot in hell prediction last year.
Lol! Chief wasn't Crabhead the guy saying "no way Gilman makes the world team, and he's better in folk than freestyle" last year before trials? And you argued with him then saying Gilman has a great shot and is better in free.
Really funny reading this now, while thinking back about that.
