Gonna be honest...

[unoHawkeye]

Didn’t watch the game tonight. I went to Creighton/Villanova (choke job - loved it. Creighton fans were filing out with over a minute to go down by three after leading the entire game), but followed along online.

Based solely on the stats, and from what I’ve pieced together here, this seems like a classic case of “the team who made the shots won”...? If what is being said here regarding Iowa having a lot of open looks from three is true, then there really isn’t much to blame other than an off-shooting night from the players. Wieskamp is like a career 40% shooter from deep and shot 1/10. Garza and Kriener are career ~30-35% shooters and neither made one. Toussaint couldn’t make any either, which is a statistical improbability (though not as surprising from an inconsistent freshman shooter). Evelyn same, though poor shooting seems to be more of a trend with him.

Only Connor shot above his career average from three at an above average 42%... and if shooting threes is your game plan, that’s a problem. Turnovers were even. Iowa won handily on the boards. It looks to me like the worse team won tonight because of a statistically improbable off shooting night... it happens. In college, in the NCAA, in the regular season, and in March. Probably means the Hawks will have to take one against a good team on the road though

If I’m off base here, I’d appreciate any insight as to what I missed, because I’d prefer not to watch a replay if at all possible

 

[taHawkeyes]

Think you nailed it. Game plan from the beginning should have been to work the ball inside, and score points that way, especially because 3 pointers just weren’t falling early. But honestly, they were putting so many bodies on Garza, it left for some open looks, they just didn’t fall tonight. Won’t go another game where where we shoot 4-33 from 3. They hit some big time shots when it mattered, and we had some bad turnovers at bad times. Another game where I believe we win with CJ. Not having him is killing Iowa. Just a guard short. And I don’t even want to get started with Pemsl and Till off the bench. But, what really can we come to expect from those two. Another thing, I’m not one to judge officials, but with 3:20 to play, Nebraska had 2 team fouls... 2.... thought that was ridiculous. Officiating by no means cost us the game, but they were letting things go, and they’d call the most Ticky-tacky fouls on Iowa. Just got so annoying. Frustrating game.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Part of the problem is that the mid range shot has mostly been abandoned. They were bricklayers from deep, but 17-18 footers were open all night. Anyone with a decent mid range shot should have been drilling those.

 

[Scott559]

12% from 3, Opponent packed it in the lane and dared Iowa to beat them by shooting wide open 3’s, Just one of those nights IMO. Flush it and get ready for the next game.

 

[blhawk]

What a pathetic Iowa fan you are. But thanks for the insight

 

[unoHawkeye]

What a pathetic Iowa fan you are. But thanks for the insight

Why

Is it because I missed my first televised Hawkeye game of the season? Or is it because I don’t have any desire to go back and watch a 4/33 shooting performance in a loss against my least favorite team (not to mention an awful one)?

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

I’m not worried about the shooting. A shooting performance like that won’t happen again. I’m worried about the depth moving forward, there isn’t any.

 

[blhawk]

Seriously? You chose a Creighton game over an Iowa game when we are ranked and playing Fred first time in bten. That's fine if you don't care but your insights really mean nothing

 

[unoHawkeye]

I’m not worried about the shooting. A shooting performance like that won’t happen again. I’m worried about the depth moving forward, there isn’t any.

Depth is undoubtedly a big concern. Especially with how physical the Big Ten typically is, and how early in conference play we are. Hopefully Fredrick heals up fast

 

[RocknRollface]

Think you nailed it. Game plan from the beginning should have been to work the ball inside, and score points that way, especially because 3 pointers just weren’t falling early. But honestly, they were putting so many bodies on Garza, it left for some open looks, they just didn’t fall tonight. Won’t go another game where where we shoot 4-33 from 3. They hit some big time shots when it mattered, and we had some bad turnovers at bad times. Another game where I believe we win with CJ. Not having him is killing Iowa. Just a guard short. And I don’t even want to get started with Pemsl and Till off the bench. But, what really can we come to expect from those two. Another thing, I’m not one to judge officials, but with 3:20 to play, Nebraska had 2 team fouls... 2.... thought that was ridiculous. Officiating by no means cost us the game, but they were letting things go, and they’d call the most Ticky-tacky fouls on Iowa. Just got so annoying. Frustrating game.

It was and always is, but Nebraska was selling out to stop that by playing a defense that should have allowed Iowa to score 100 points.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Seriously? You chose a Creighton game over an Iowa game when we are ranked and playing Fred first time in bten. That's fine if you don't care but your insights really mean nothing

I have to attend social events for my job, and Creighton games are the biggest social events in Omaha... against Villanova no less. It was a great game (albeit Villanova shot almost as poorly as Iowa did from downtown for much of the game)

Not sure how me missing a game live makes me a bad fan. If Iowa would have won, I had the game recorded and was fully planning on going back and watching.

I have over 5000 posts on this site in 4.5 years, and the vast majority of them are in game threads or just following a game... clearly I’m a bad fan. But whatever. If you want to think that, it’s cool

 

[blhawk]

Cool. Go start threads on the Creighton site about games you didn't watch. Im sure they will be as intrigued as we are. Iowa fans watch Iowa when given the choice.

 

[Rifler]

CJ is in a boot and I'm hearing possible stress fracture,..

It was and always is, but Nebraska was selling out to stop that by playing a defense that should have allowed Iowa to score 100 points.

Exactly,... If we could have shot even 25% from three, Nebraska would have had to come out to defend the perimeter, and the inside would have started to open up for us,... Bad shooting night exacerbated by the bigger problem of a very short bench..

 

[unoHawkeye]

Cool. Go start threads on the Creighton site about games you didn't watch. Im sure they will be as intrigued as we are. Iowa fans watch Iowa when given the choice.

I started the thread looking for quality analysis of the game from other posters, (most of whom probably recognize me as a regular poster in game threads). You’ve provided not a single contribution to this thread, other than petty insults. If you don’t obtain value from my posts, then Rivals has built in this really handy “ignore” feature, which you are free to use on me. Otherwise, I’d prefer if you stopped attempting to de-rail my thread because you have some sort of superiority complex

 

[trippnschmidt]

I started the thread looking for quality analysis of the game from other posters, (most of whom probably recognize me as a regular poster in game threads). You’ve provided not a single contribution to this thread, other than petty insults. If you don’t obtain value from my posts, then Rivals has built in this really handy “ignore” feature, which you are free to use on me. Otherwise, I’d prefer if you stopped attempting to de-rail my thread because you have some sort of superiority complex

Trolls are gonna troll. Don't feed it.

 

[iafan44]

Cool. Go start threads on the Creighton site about games you didn't watch. Im sure they will be as intrigued as we are. Iowa fans watch Iowa when given the choice.

So you’ve never missed a game due to work stuff I take it?

 

[unoHawkeye]

So you’ve never missed a game due to work stuff I take it?

Our guy skips out on work for the Hawks. That’s a real fan

 

[Mohawkeye]

Part of the problem is that the mid range shot has mostly been abandoned. They were bricklayers from deep, but 17-18 footers were open all night. Anyone with a decent mid range shot should have been drilling those.

The midrange shot is low percentage in today’s game. Shoot the 3 or take it to the rack to draw a foul.

 

[TheHawkeyeDudeAbides]

Didn’t watch the game tonight. I went to Creighton/Villanova (choke job - loved it. Creighton fans were filing out with over a minute to go down by three after leading the entire game), but followed along online.

Based solely on the stats, and from what I’ve pieced together here, this seems like a classic case of “the team who made the shots won”...? If what is being said here regarding Iowa having a lot of open looks from three is true, then there really isn’t much to blame other than an off-shooting night from the players. Wieskamp is like a career 40% shooter from deep and shot 1/10. Garza and Kriener are career ~30-35% shooters and neither made one. Toussaint couldn’t make any either, which is a statistical improbability (though not as surprising from an inconsistent freshman shooter). Evelyn same, though poor shooting seems to be more of a trend with him.

Only Connor shot above his career average from three at an above average 42%... and if shooting threes is your game plan, that’s a problem. Turnovers were even. Iowa won handily on the boards. It looks to me like the worse team won tonight because of a statistically improbable off shooting night... it happens. In college, in the NCAA, in the regular season, and in March. Probably means the Hawks will have to take one against a good team on the road though

If I’m off base here, I’d appreciate any insight as to what I missed, because I’d prefer not to watch a replay if at all possible

While I appreciate your perspective on the outside shooting, the real game gap was the free throw shooting. Iowa was 2-5 (all in the latter part of the second half) while Nebraska was 14 out of 26. A serious 12 point charity disadvantage for Iowa. Iowa is not a good athletic club that plays above the rim. This is not high D-1 basketball. The program is not good. Iowa loses DJ Carton from Bettendorf. Xavier Foster , grows up an Iowa fan, but turns down program because it is not likely to help his NBA dream. "The Writing is on the Wall".

The problem is Fran and his sons. And Gary Barta is the stumbling stone impeding progress. I could harp more on my point but I lost my love of Iowa basketball two years ago and I don't watch it on TV anymore (follow it on Internet service). You can tell me to shut up and sign off. That I am not a real fan. I remember watching college basketball with my folks and grandfather as a 4 year old when Bill Walton played for UCLA (John Wooden) and living thru the Bobby Knight years and Lute Olson with Ronnie Lester (radio with Ron Gonder). I went to some games when Carver was first built and been there many other times I have lived thru a lot of Iowa basketball games and it is scraping now nearly as low as the Lickliter years.

How to fix the problem: Fire Gary Barta, install new AD, fire Fran and get coach that can get real high d-1 talent. 1 walk-on per season allowed.

 

[littlez]

Agree. Midrange game is the worst shot in basketball, especially the long 2. All analytics say that. We couldn’t shoot. Rough night.

 

[unoHawkeye]

While I appreciate your perspective on the outside shooting, the real game gap was the free throw shooting. Iowa was 2-5 (all in the latter part of the second half) while Nebraska was 14 out of 26. A serious 12 point charity disadvantage for Iowa. Iowa is not a good athletic club that plays above the rim. This is not high D-1 basketball. The program is not good. Iowa loses DJ Carton from Bettendorf. Xavier Foster , grows up an Iowa fan, but turns down program because it is not likely to help his NBA dream. "The Writing is on the Wall".

The problem is Fran and his sons. And Gary Barta is the stumbling stone impeding progress. I could harp more on my point but I lost my love of Iowa basketball two years ago and I don't watch it on TV anymore (follow it on Internet service). You can tell me to shut up and sign off. That I am not a real fan. I remember watching college basketball with my folks and grandfather as a 4 year old when Bill Walton played for UCLA (John Wooden) and living thru the Bobby Knight years and Lute Olson with Ronnie Lester (radio with Ron Gonder). I went to some games when Carver was first built and been there many other times I have lived thru a lot of Iowa basketball games and it is scraping now nearly as low as the Lickliter years.

How to fix the problem: Fire Gary Barta, install new AD, fire Fran and get coach that can get real high d-1 talent. 1 walk-on per season allowed.

Do agree with your free throw point. Not a fan of Barta either. Still like what Fran’s doing with the program, and his ability to keep the team afloat down (now) three starters is impressive

 

[iafan44]

Our guy skips out on work for the Hawks. That’s a real fan

I can’t believe how butthurt he got.

 

[Rudolph]

I have to attend social events for my job, and Creighton games are the biggest social events in Omaha... against Villanova no less. It was a great game (albeit Villanova shot almost as poorly as Iowa did from downtown for much of the game)

Not sure how me missing a game live makes me a bad fan. If Iowa would have won, I had the game recorded and was fully planning on going back and watching.

I have over 5000 posts on this site in 4.5 years, and the vast majority of them are in game threads or just following a game... clearly I’m a bad fan. But whatever. If you want to think that, it’s cool

What, watching the game on tv participating in the game thread in this forum isn’t a good enough “social event” for your employer? Man fück them and the horse they rode in on man quit that shit today maybe do the hokey-pokey on the way out maybe yell out as the elevator doors start to close “scratch where it itches, bitches!”

 

[unoHawkeye]

What, watching the game on tv participating in the game thread in this forum isn’t a good enough “social event” for your employer? Man fück them and the horse they rode in on man quit that shit today maybe do the hokey-pokey on the way out maybe yell out as the elevator doors start to close “scratch where it itches, bitches!”

I’ll have to reach out to Tom and Blair and see if I can get a pass for soliciting in game threads. I’m sure that will go over well

 

[TailgateTom]

Cool. Go start threads on the Creighton site about games you didn't watch. Im sure they will be as intrigued as we are. Iowa fans watch Iowa when given the choice.

So because he chose to attend an exciting local game (which he needed to do for his job), instead of watching Iowa play vs a team full of walkons that should have been an easy win, he’s a bad fan? Wow.

 

[markfromj]

Seriously? You chose a Creighton game over an Iowa game when we are ranked...

Iowa was not ranked heading into the game last night.

 

[iafan44]

What, watching the game on tv participating in the game thread in this forum isn’t a good enough “social event” for your employer? Man fück them and the horse they rode in on man quit that shit today maybe do the hokey-pokey on the way out maybe yell out as the elevator doors start to close “scratch where it itches, bitches!”

Nice work!

 

[twindman]

Agree. Midrange game is the worst shot in basketball, especially the long 2. All analytics say that. We couldn’t shoot. Rough night.

In normal flow of game, a midrange shot is probably being guarded fairly well, so yes that is probably not a great shot. In this game, I think the midrange shots would be pretty wide open (probably for everyone except JoeW) and should be made at 50% or so, which is as good as 33% from three. And after we make a few, maybe Garza is a little more open. And our confidence goes up. And we win the game. Yes or no?

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Agree. Midrange game is the worst shot in basketball, especially the long 2. All analytics say that. We couldn’t shoot. Rough night.

So barrel into a packed lane with a team lacking in slash/drive skills or keeping bombing away from three when you can't throw water in the ocean?
Advanced metrics might say a 17 foot shoot isn't a good idea most of the time, but last night was not one of those times.

 

[HawkInArk]

Part of the problem is that the mid range shot has mostly been abandoned. They were bricklayers from deep, but 17-18 footers were open all night. Anyone with a decent mid range shot should have been drilling those.

I don't know how many times JW had a great opportunity to pull up and shoot from around the FT line yet instead he'd pick up his dribble, turn his back to the basket and look to kick it back out to someone 40ft from the basket.

I saw a ton of indecisiveness you shouldn't see from an experienced guy that is known to be a shooter. Downright frustrating.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I love hearing how terrible Nebraska is, yet in Fred's first year, with a total roster turnover, we took Iowa and Purdue down, and lost in OT to Indiana at their place. The fact is...we have a better coach than most B1G teams now, and we have a lot of talent and size sitting out this year.

I've been told that only one of our starters this year will be starting next year. That should give you an idea of where this thing is heading.

 

[owenhawk]

I love hearing how terrible Nebraska is, yet in Fred's first year, with a total roster turnover, we took Iowa and Purdue down, and lost in OT to Indiana at their place. The fact is...we have a better coach than most B1G teams now, and we have a lot of talent and size sitting out this year.

I've been told that only one of our starters this year will be starting next year. That should give you an idea of where this thing is heading.

Ah yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Husker fans out of their trailers in full force to tell the rest of the Big Ten to "WATCH OUT" just like in football for the past 10 years. Never fails. Let the domination begin!

 

[Hoosker Du]

Ah yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Husker fans out of their trailers in full force to tell the rest of the Big Ten to "WATCH OUT" just like in football for the past 10 years. Never fails. Let the domination begin!

How's it feel to lose the last 4 of 6 to us and being 1-5 against Fred? We just beat you with a team thrown together with spit and popsicle sticks. Do you really think it's going to get better with Fred in Lincoln? LOL!

 

[owenhawk]

Didn’t watch the game tonight. I went to Creighton/Villanova (choke job - loved it. Creighton fans were filing out with over a minute to go down by three after leading the entire game), but followed along online.

Based solely on the stats, and from what I’ve pieced together here, this seems like a classic case of “the team who made the shots won”...? If what is being said here regarding Iowa having a lot of open looks from three is true, then there really isn’t much to blame other than an off-shooting night from the players. Wieskamp is like a career 40% shooter from deep and shot 1/10. Garza and Kriener are career ~30-35% shooters and neither made one. Toussaint couldn’t make any either, which is a statistical improbability (though not as surprising from an inconsistent freshman shooter). Evelyn same, though poor shooting seems to be more of a trend with him.

Only Connor shot above his career average from three at an above average 42%... and if shooting threes is your game plan, that’s a problem. Turnovers were even. Iowa won handily on the boards. It looks to me like the worse team won tonight because of a statistically improbable off shooting night... it happens. In college, in the NCAA, in the regular season, and in March. Probably means the Hawks will have to take one against a good team on the road though

If I’m off base here, I’d appreciate any insight as to what I missed, because I’d prefer not to watch a replay if at all possible

Pretty much the case. A horrendous outside shooting night - and most of the shots were WIDE OPEN - and no one could hit. Connor made a few but no one else could hit anything. Wieskamp missed a lot of easy shots he normally makes. Touissant, Kreiner, and Garza all missed a lot of shots they can hit. Evelyn did not even look to shoot. He turned down so many open looks and that was what drove me the most nuts.

Couple that with the fact the refs had no intention of calling fouls on Nebraska when they did get it inside (Iowa was hammered quite often by the swarm of Nebraska players clogging the lane) and what appeared to be a few Nebraska players shooting out of their minds compared to what they normally do, you had a game like last night.

It was just one of those games. I will bet good money that Iowa puts a pounding on them at home.

 

[owenhawk]

How's it feel to lose the last 4 of 6 to us and being 1-5 against Fred? We just beat you with a team thrown together with spit and popsicle sticks. Do you really think it's going to get better with Fred in Lincoln? LOL!

You didn't beat me or anyone. You are just some loser who bases your life on how Nebraska does in sports.

How does it feel to lose to Iowa in football every year even with the messiah as coach to Grandpa Kirk?

Fred's a good coach but I am not too worried about it because a) he will probably leave in a few years once the Iowa State job opens back up and he get's tired of dealing with you slack-jawed Cletuses and b) I don't worry about teams that never make the NCAA Tournament (or bowl games) like Nebraska.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Pretty much the case. A horrendous outside shooting night - and most of the shots were WIDE OPEN - and no one could hit. Connor made a few but no one else could hit anything. Wieskamp missed a lot of easy shots he normally makes. Touissant, Kreiner, and Garza all missed a lot of shots they can hit. Evelyn did not even look to shoot. He turned down so many open looks and that was what drove me the most nuts.

Couple that with the fact the refs had no intention of calling fouls on Nebraska when they did get it inside (Iowa was hammered quite often by the swarm of Nebraska players clogging the lane) and what appeared to be a few Nebraska players shooting out of their minds compared to what they normally do, you had a game like last night.

It was just one of those games. I will bet good money that Iowa puts a pounding on them at home.

Your breakdown is much appreciated man. Tend to agree that the game in Carver will be a rough one for the Skers

 

[kceasthawk]

Part of the problem is that the mid range shot has mostly been abandoned. They were bricklayers from deep, but 17-18 footers were open all night. Anyone with a decent mid range shot should have been drilling those.

Its the game now. Young players have been taught that the mid range jumper is the worst shot in basketball. Either drive it in or cash the three ball. I've actually heard ex player announcers say this during the games, that a guy shouldn't even shoot a jumper above the foul line if its not a three ball......

 

[RocknRollface]

Agree. Midrange game is the worst shot in basketball, especially the long 2. All analytics say that. We couldn’t shoot. Rough night.

Generally I agree, especially since almost no one practices that shot, but it depends on how effective the particular player is with that shot.

Kawhi Leonard shoots it all the time as is basically unstoppable with it.

 

[HawkRugged17]

Generally I agree, especially since almost no one practices that shot, but it depends on how effective the particular player is with that shot.

Kawhi Leonard shoots it all the time as is basically unstoppable with it.

I see your Kawai Leonard (5 three point shot attempts per game this year) and raise you a Demar DeRozan (.7 three point shots per game).