I haven’t look what the zags ft % was, but it had to be as bad or worse than ours. So if you say that about us it also applies for them
Gonzaga's body bump defense
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The refs didn't cost Iowa the game certainly and I think Gonzaga is the clear #1 team in the country. With that said, you say "somehow all but 1 post is looked thru "Hawk-eyes". Of course it is, you are on an Iowa message board. Then you talk about making a fan base feel better by blaming the refs...have at it...then you go on to talk about "at least a dozen reffing the scoreboard calls/other bad calls. What is going on in these threads is what goes on at 100% of teams boards. All fan bases cry and whine when they lose. As I said, I'm not blaming the loss on the refs but this is hardly a unicorn thread. If Iowa would have won the whining would have just come from farther west
Thats a separate what if scenario.
Its certainly true to say that both teams could have made more FTs but I'm only interested in what Iowa could have controlled.
You can make up infinite what if scenarios.
But simply saying if Iowa hit more freethrows the game is closer does not necessitate that you assume Gonzaga also makes more freethrows.
One can be true with out the other.
Gonzaga puts up 90 on everyone. They scored 100 on Kansas.
You can assume they will score 90 most nights.
You have to be able to score more than 95 to beat them.
95 is well within reach for Iowa in a game with that many possessions.
Yeah, it would be great if Iowa played better defense but it just not going to happen with Fran.
You can assume they will score 90 most nights.
You have to be able to score more than 95 to beat them.
95 is well within reach for Iowa in a game with that many possessions.
Yeah, it would be great if Iowa played better defense but it just not going to happen with Fran.
You’re the one making up scenarios and what if’s. What if Iowa shoots 9-19 from 3 and 20-26 from the free throw line ? Great. Well what if Gonzaga doesn’t turn the ball over 18 times and only turns it over 8? That’s 10 more possessions. The Game was played, we lost by double digits and at one point we were down 20. The game was played and we lost in a not particularly close game. It’s disingenuous to play the what if game in my opinion. It works both ways.
Little, you started this great use of our time by asking why I wanted a rematch.
I attempted to explain why I think Iowa would have a great shot.
If you don't like it I don't give a shit.
I attempted to explain why I think Iowa would have a great shot.
If you don't like it I don't give a shit.
Well you’re the one saying if we shoot free throws better we win. We are not going to beat Gonzaga in a 100 pt shootout. We just aren’t. How many games has Fran won when the opponent has scored over 90? 1 or 2 in 10 years? And yet you think we can beat a team of clearly superior athletes in a track meet to 100? Uh, sure. I’m glad you don’t give a shit though.
If Iowa shoots free throws better they win.
Thats how math works. When you add numbers to other numbers you get bigger numbers.
Why does that fact make you so angry?
I think its funny.
It sounds like you haven’t had a chance to properly grieve this last loss. Maybe you should take a few days off work and take some time to have a good cry.
Nothing to grieve about. You could look it up as well but guessing you won't. Fran's video of us getting torched time after time on defense must not do anything for you either. I know, shoot it better is all we have to do. And make free throws. Next time we play them we'll get them 104-102.
Our guards aren't quick enough to get in front of and stop opponents guards most of the time and leads to an easy layup or drive and pass out to the wing for an open look. Looking at the shot selection for Gonzaga, they made only one shot that wasn't in the paint or a 3.
Yeah. They need to play better defense. We get it. Some are just saying that a great 3 point shooting team hitting 4 out of 20 while making only 50% of FTs doesn‘t help your cause. This is true too.
Totally see your point. We shot lights out against a good NC team in a very nice win. Yes, we hit 8-20 that's 12 more points and we win 100-99. I think we all know, however, that the game is played differently on their end if we shoot that way. We're a top 3 offensive efficiency team. That's good enough to win us probably 25 games this year, which is a great season for Iowa. We've got the player of the year in Garza, and might never have another player like that in my lifetime. If we can get to the tourney and win every game in a shootout and make the Final 4 that's great.
At least 5 of their 3s were iso pull-up or step back 3s from Suggs 4 or 5 feet behind the nba line.
Those are shots you absolutely love him taking if you're Iowa. He just made them.
CJ and Joe Tousaint both did an adequate job keeping Suggs in front.
JBO on the other hand is a joke. He may as well not have even been out there.
On Suggs drive where he crossed Connor over JBO had all day to step in front of the basket and cut it off but instead he did some half assed jab step thing and then jumped out of the way.
Thats should get you pulled from the rest of the game.
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How?
What would they have done differently? Be specific.
They already shot way better than they normally do from 3.
Few didn't sit the starters.
Are you suggesting there was possessions where they didn't try to score on purpose? They scored what they normally score.
If Iowa converts on the 10 or so wide open/point blank shots they missed in the first half all that does is slow Gonzaga down.
When a team makes baskets it doesn't allow the opposing team to score more easily it makes it more difficult.
Half the reason Gonzaga had so many easy baskets in the first half is because Iowa misses led to transition.
Yep. A big portion of Iowa’s defense is predicated on them making shots, setting up the press, and trying to take other teams out of their rhythm. We still forced enough turnovers to win the game.
If anything, this game proved to me that Iowa is deserving of their #3 ranking, but you gotta make shots to win the game
Exactly, Iowas best defense is their offense.
A made basket covers up their terrible transition D.
I'm not looking for a rematch with Gonzaga. In fact, I would prefer all the stud programs in our way to get knocked off first in some fluke upset game and let us waltz our way to the title. As time passes, no one remember this. They just recognize that we are in the books as National Champions that year and that works for me.
We also shot almost 60% from inside the arc. Luka had his way as usual and Joe T was able to get to the rim at will. Joe’s been averaging what? 4-5 pts a game in 13 minutes? Goes off for 14 in I believe 18 minutes so that makes up for a lot of Bohannon’s inefficiency out there. You’re going to have nights where you don’t shoot the ball well from 3. This was one. We couldn’t overcome our terrible defense. If we play them again and shoot 10-24 from 3 and still shoot 60% from 2 we could win. You also know how hard that is to do against a team like that?
Some of you guys are bemoaning the fact that our guards couldn't get in front of and stop theirs. You realize that they are the #1 team in the country, right and that means they just might have the best guard(s) in the country as well. No shame in getting beat by the best. Just lace up the shoes and try harder next game against somewhat lesser players.
Why did Touissant get to the rim at will? What kind of question is that? Few made the comment after the game that they wanted to try and shut down our 3’s as they knew Luka would get his(he did) but didn’t want us to off on 3’s as well. Damn, I’m not even sure what you guys are even arguing about at this point. If we were to play again they’d be a 8-10 pt favorite in Vegas. It’s possible to beat them but they are a great team with 3-4 pros. Carry on. I’m done with this.
Allot easier than doing it against the slow down grabbing teams in the big ten like MSU and Wisconsin.
Thats what Iowa is built to do.
Thats why they came into the game averaging 100 ppg.
They aren't going to beat anyone with defense.
That’s exactly right. They sold out to stop Garza from shooting and Joe had a wide open path to hoop out of the pick and roll any time he wanted it if he could get by one man. How will they account for that if we play again? Our offense is unstoppable when we make shots.
Conversely, Gonzaga scored 99 points (for reference, they scored 102 on the new #3 team Kansas on fewer FG attempts and free throws). Our defense did what it needed to do to give the offense a chance to win the game, despite a ton of missed shots resulting in Gonzaga getting out and running. We missed shots, specifically in the first half, and we lost. We make shots, and we win. If you are going to complain about giving up points the rest of the year, it’s going to be a long season for you
By the way, if Iowa and Gonzaga play again and it’s a 10 point spread, I will make a crapload of money
