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Good chance Niemann & Hockaday are back for Oct 20 Homecoming game vs Maryland; Other Injury Updates

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About those injured guys …

Before they suffered knee injuries, Niemann (outside) and Hockaday (middle) were proving to be Iowa's two best linebackers. Iowa Coach Seth Wallace didn’t totally rule either player out for Saturday’s game, but offered an encouraging quote on their recovery.

“Both guys have a real good shot next week against Maryland,” he said. “I’m not saying it’s out of the woods this week for either one of them. But yeah, definitely next week.”

But vs Indiana? Might see Doyle at middle linebacker.

Kristian Welch on Saturday is in line to become the Hawkeyes’ third starter at middle linebacker through six games, with Hockaday (left knee) likely out and Amani Jones (targeting penalty) suspended for the first half.

But Wallace opened the door to the possibility that true freshman Dillon Doyle, the son of Iowa strength coach Chris Doyle, could see the field. Since enrolling in January, Dillon Doyle (6-foot-3, 227 pounds) has been ascending quickly and has been on middle-linebacker standby in case the veterans didn’t pan out.

Hockaday’s emergence has allowed Doyle to play in only one game this season. He could play in up to four without burning a year of eligibility under the NCAA’s new red-shirt rule.

"We’re fortunate with the rule change,” Wallace said. “If we need to, I feel comfortable — our staff feels comfortable — that Dillon Doyle could run our defense from a linebacker standpoint. So, we’re good there. And you never know, you may see him this Saturday."

Freshmen cornerbacks grew up quickly.

True freshmen cornerbacks Julius Brents and Riley Moss impressed the Hawkeye staff so much at Minnesota that they might be out there again Saturday — even as Matt Hankins (multiple injuries) and Michael Ojemudia (hamstring) are nearing full strength.

“They just kept playing and they kept playing,” Wallace said of Brents and Moss, who combined for three interceptions in their first career starts. “And by the end of the game, you could have looked at either one of them and said they were player of the game for us defensively.”

High praise indeed. So with four guys healthy this week, who starts?

"With two guys coming back from injury, you’ve got to be real careful with where they’re at; what their percentage of health is,” Wallace said. “And then you’ve got to look at how much they’ve practiced during the course of the week.

“We’re seeing an explosive (Indiana) offense that has had a lot of success throwing the ball. When you’re talking about defensive backs, they’ve got to see those pictures during the course of the week in order to feel comfortable. And so do the coaches, for that matter. I think it’s still a wait and see.”

LINK:
https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...ck-hockaday-hawkcentral-interview/1594739002/
 
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Offense Injury Updates:

...there is concern that Fant might not be available for Saturday’s game at Indiana (11 a.m. CT, ESPN2). Fant was injured running a fourth-quarter jet sweep against Minnesota. As he was tackled, Fant’s head slammed to the turf; he staggered a bit to the sideline and did not return.

Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz on Tuesday did not clarify whether Fant or running back Ivory Kelly-Martin, who took a helmet-to-helmet hit in the fourth quarter, was going through concussion protocol. But he did say that a decision about their status against the Hoosiers would be determined Friday.

“The medical people make those decisions,” Ferentz said. “And then if a guy clears with the medical staff, then we have to see if they look good on the field.”

LINK: https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...nt-fuss-tj-hockenson-kirk-ferentz/1572445002/
 
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Short side sweep with a relatively slow (Compared to ISM) TE...gee, wonder why that didn’t work?!? That makes as much sense as having Stanley run an option attack.
forget what game but hasn't there been at least one QB draw play where Nate started in shot gun and then run up the middle? Didn't like that play either
 
didn't work
got a player injured

anything i miss? ;)

Yes, the same reason Stanley read options aren't a good idea. It's called speed.

In fairness, I really like BF's play calling this year outside the one or two WTF plays just mentioned. Otherwise, BF has done a good job this season to this point and should be commended.
 
I remember! That was awful. Throw it out!
Absolutely not. That play call has worked extremely well a number of times in the past few years (Rudock 2-pt vs Nebby, Beathard long run vs ISU, Beathard TD vs Indiana, Beathard setting up the game-winning FG vs Michigan).

You don't throw it out the instant it doesn't work. Stanley may not be as mobile as CJ, but he's mobile enough to make that play work.
 
didn't work
got a player injured

anything i miss? ;)
Anytime a play doesn't work than it was a bad call. The call wasn't that bad but him jumping was a bad idea. Every pass to Fant over the middle could end up with head to head and a concussion. Just part of the game. Same as the trick 4 yard TD with the hike to Hockersen. It worked and made ESPN so was a great play. If we had fumbled the hike than everyone of this board would be after Brian's head:rolleyes:
 
Short side sweep with a relatively slow (Compared to ISM) TE...gee, wonder why that didn’t work?!? That makes as much sense as having Stanley run an option attack.

Then why did Brian run it? Is he just an idiot? Or is there maybe a shred of possibility that the play has been practiced and proven effective? The problem with armchair QBs, besides enjoying the benefit of hindsight judgment, is that they love to state the obvious. Which is fine, except that Brian Ferentz probably has a pretty decent grasp of the obvious in regard to his offense and the plays. Much more of a grasp, I’d wager, than pretty much all of the outsiders critiquing him.
 
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Anytime a play doesn't work than it was a bad call. The call wasn't that bad but him jumping was a bad idea. Every pass to Fant over the middle could end up with head to head and a concussion. Just part of the game. Same as the trick 4 yard TD with the hike to Hockersen. It worked and made ESPN so was a great play. If we had fumbled the hike than everyone of this board would be after Brian's head:rolleyes:
sorry, but have you ever seen a TE being used in a jet sweep? doesn't make sense now, doesn't make sense then, doesn't make sense ever
 
sorry, but have you ever seen a TE being used in a jet sweep? doesn't make sense now, doesn't make sense then, doesn't make sense ever

Sometimes you run plays like that to keep D's honest. They may or may not work, but it's something else defenses need to account for.
 
Anytime a play doesn't work than it was a bad call. The call wasn't that bad but him jumping was a bad idea. Every pass to Fant over the middle could end up with head to head and a concussion. Just part of the game. Same as the trick 4 yard TD with the hike to Hockersen. It worked and made ESPN so was a great play. If we had fumbled the hike than everyone of this board would be after Brian's head:rolleyes:
Imo it's no different than a QB's responsibility to protect his receivers by not leading him into a kill shot....hope Fant is good to go..expecting 2-3 TD's outta him if he's good to go
 
Everybody's right: Not a great call, and hurdling the tackler a bad decision. With all the emphasis on safety, there should be a rule prohibiting a ball carrier from hurdling a tackler: ball dead at spot of foul and a five-yard penalty.

Fant doesn't hurdle, he doesn't get the whiplash concussion. Play isn't called, Fant doesn't get the concussion and Iowa doesn't lose yardage.

Fant's great, but the jet sweep wasn't designed for a player like him. It might also fool the defense if Fant lined up at tackle, but it doesn't make much sense. There are about a hundred better ways to get Fant the ball than on a jet sweep....
 
Everybody's right: Not a great call, and hurdling the tackler a bad decision. With all the emphasis on safety, there should be a rule prohibiting a ball carrier from hurdling a tackler: ball dead at spot of foul and a five-yard penalty.

Fant doesn't hurdle, he doesn't get the whiplash concussion. Play isn't called, Fant doesn't get the concussion and Iowa doesn't lose yardage.

Fant's great, but the jet sweep wasn't designed for a player like him. It might also fool the defense if Fant lined up at tackle, but it doesn't make much sense. There are about a hundred better ways to get Fant the ball than on a jet sweep....
There is enough rules that have resulted in the total pussification of football and You want to add another one?
 
sorry, but have you ever seen a TE being used in a jet sweep? doesn't make sense now, doesn't make sense then, doesn't make sense ever

My answer to this is yes, I have seen the KC Chiefs use Travis Kelce (an athlete similar to Fant) in jet sweeps and shuttle passes. Better tell Andy it doesn't make sense.
 
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Yes, the same reason Stanley read options aren't a good idea. It's called speed.

In fairness, I really like BF's play calling this year outside the one or two WTF plays just mentioned. Otherwise, BF has done a good job this season to this point and should be commended.
You have to admit how ludicrous these complaints are. So does every OC for every team in the country get judged by EVERY SINGLE play he calls, and there all supposed to work or he's some kind of dumbass. Its amazing. I'd say overall that BF has done a pretty solid job this season, and given the offense plenty to work with to win every game, including the Wisconsin loss. Penalties, missed assignments and a few boneheaded plays are the only thing standing between Iowa and a very sharp 5-0 record at this juncture. There will always be some plays that don't work, and some are simply drawn up to set up the defense for something formation wise later in that game or a future one. Just thinking out loud.......
 
You have to admit how ludicrous these complaints are. So does every OC for every team in the country get judged by EVERY SINGLE play he calls, and there all supposed to work or he's some kind of dumbass. Its amazing. I'd say overall that BF has done a pretty solid job this season, and given the offense plenty to work with to win every game, including the Wisconsin loss. Penalties, missed assignments and a few boneheaded plays are the only thing standing between Iowa and a very sharp 5-0 record at this juncture. There will always be some plays that don't work, and some are simply drawn up to set up the defense for something formation wise later in that game or a future one. Just thinking out loud.......

I dunno, man. I mean, yeah, Brian grew up as the son of a B1G head coach. Yeah, he’s been intimately involved with football his entire life. Yeah, he’s coached in the NFL under a legend. And sure, he studies film, attends practices and goes to meetings with the players and other coaches. BUT, that doesn’t mean that he realizes Noah Fant isn’t as fast as ISM. I mean, that’s heady stuff. Some real nuggets of football knowledge are being presented in this thread. Brian should read it.
 
Plays works as called if they are executed. One guy doesn’t block or find the open space then it’s doomed. But yes there are plays that coaches know probably won’t work that are setting up other plays.
 
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You have to admit how ludicrous these complaints are. So does every OC for every team in the country get judged by EVERY SINGLE play he calls, and there all supposed to work or he's some kind of dumbass. Its amazing. I'd say overall that BF has done a pretty solid job this season, and given the offense plenty to work with to win every game, including the Wisconsin loss. Penalties, missed assignments and a few boneheaded plays are the only thing standing between Iowa and a very sharp 5-0 record at this juncture. There will always be some plays that don't work, and some are simply drawn up to set up the defense for something formation wise later in that game or a future one. Just thinking out loud.......

I agree and have come to BF's defense a lot this year. Overall, I think he has grown a lot as a play caller. Granted, I think Copeland and Polasek deserve a lot of credit for the job they've done with their respective units, which has obviously made Brian's job a lot easier, but I do think Brian has done a good job of mixing up play calls and breaking tendencies.

All of that said, I still don't like those two play calls. I was more concerned about Stanley getting hurt on the read option than Fant on the end around, but regardless running laterally is not Fant's strength anymore than runnning the football is Stanley's.

FWIW, I disagreed with them going for it on 4th and Goal when they scored on that wild formation. Today, lol, I still would have kicked the field goal to go up by 10, but I'm glad it worked out. :)

Overall, though, I have every faith in this coaching staff's ability to put Iowa in the best position to win every game.
 
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All of that said, I still don't like those two play calls. I was more concerned about Stanley getting hurt on the read option than Fant on the end around, but regardless running laterally is not Fant's strength anymore than runnning the football is Stanley's.
Fant was still running in a straight line ... and Fant is just plain fast.

Sometimes the opposing D is just in position ... and Fant couldn't hit the corner. That happens sometimes with end-arounds.
 
I dunno, man. I mean, yeah, Brian grew up as the son of a B1G head coach. Yeah, he’s been intimately involved with football his entire life. Yeah, he’s coached in the NFL under a legend. And sure, he studies film, attends practices and goes to meetings with the players and other coaches. BUT, that doesn’t mean that he realizes Noah Fant isn’t as fast as ISM. I mean, that’s heady stuff. Some real nuggets of football knowledge are being presented in this thread. Brian should read it.

So, the OC should hand the ball to the fastest guy on the field every play? Got it.

BF should run trick plays! Keep the defense guessing! Don't keep running the same play!

But, for Chrissakes, don't hand the ball to one of the best athletes on the field! He might get hurt. :rolleyes:
 
Plays works as called if they are executed. One guy doesn’t block or find the open space then it’s doomed. But yes there are plays that coaches know probably won’t work that are setting up other plays.
my point is when you are coming up with plays, what is the best way to utilize a guy like Fant? On jet sweeps? Or running passing routes where he is one on one with the defender?

Has Brian done a great job? Yes. Did I like the TE jet sweep? No. Did I like the Stanley QB draw? No. But those are just 2 plays out of how many? Again, this is just nit picking. Brian has done a great job.

Which coach on this year's staff has not done a great job? Looking at offense only, I think the WR coach needs some praise, because it seems like he is bringing them along! Finally, we see life in our WR's. Ken O'Keefe is underrated, imo, because I think he works well with Brian. I think Tim P has done a great job with the OL; Stanley has been sacked just 5 times in 5 games.

Iowa is 4-1 and there is not much to complain about. Again, its just nit picking when looking at 2 plays over the course of 5 games.
 
My answer to this is yes, I have seen the KC Chiefs use Travis Kelce (an athlete similar to Fant) in jet sweeps and shuttle passes. Better tell Andy it doesn't make sense.

What’s a shuttle pass?

Is it anything like a want of bees?
 
So, the OC should hand the ball to the fastest guy on the field every play? Got it.

BF should run trick plays! Keep the defense guessing! Don't keep running the same play!

But, for Chrissakes, don't hand the ball to one of the best athletes on the field! He might get hurt. :rolleyes:

It’s sarcasm.
 
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