GOP's House investigation into Planned Parenthood takes a big hit

[Huey Grey]

Bad week for witch hunting.

"WASHINGTON -- Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said Thursday that the GOP's investigation into Planned Parenthood's use of federal funds hasn't turned up anything.

"Did I look at the finances and have a hearing specifically as to the revenue portion and how they spend? Yes. Was there any wrongdoing? I didn't find any," he said during a Judiciary Committee hearing on the family planning provider."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._5616ed01e4b0dbb8000de134?utm_hp_ref=politics

 

[TexMichFan]

It is not nice to refer to Hillary as a witch.

 

[hawkchaps]

Bad week for witch hunting.

"WASHINGTON -- Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said Thursday that the GOP's investigation into Planned Parenthood's use of federal funds hasn't turned up anything.

"Did I look at the finances and have a hearing specifically as to the revenue portion and how they spend? Yes. Was there any wrongdoing? I didn't find any," he said during a Judiciary Committee hearing on the family planning provider."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._5616ed01e4b0dbb8000de134?utm_hp_ref=politics

actually not as it shone the light on what a scumbag organization PP really is. drop the funding!

 

[Lone Clone]

Red, posting this story again won't make it more relevant than it was the first time. I ask again: Who thinks financial improprities are a major issue?

 

[Joes Place]

Red, posting this story again won't make it more relevant than it was the first time. I ask again: Who thinks financial improprities are a major issue?

Wasn't that allegedly the whole reason for producing and leaking the videos? To 'show' PP illegally 'sold' fetal body parts?

Now that this clearly isn't the issue, it's obvious that this was just one more attempt to bring abortion back into the political debate: JIT for the 2016 election season...

 

[BABiscuit]

Red, posting this story again won't make it more relevant than it was the first time. I ask again: Who thinks financial improprities are a major issue?

If that isn't a major issue, why did they waste the resources to investigate?

FYI, I agree it isn't the issue with the videos, but it is a common claim form the right that PP uses federal funds for abortions.

 

[gusto79]

It is not nice to refer to Hillary as a witch.

You realize that in witch hunts, the witches werent actually witches, dont you?

 

[Joes Place]

If that isn't a major issue, why did they waste the resources to investigate?

FYI, I agree it isn't the issue with the videos, but it is a common claim form the right that PP uses federal funds for abortions.

This is what I just don't get.

If the 'PP and abortions' issue is what gets the far/religious right all fired up, why in the heck don't they start their own organization, to provide birth control and reproductive health/medical to low-income people in the same areas as PP without directly providing abortions?

If the PP argument is 'we provide all of these other services', and the government has already deemed those to be useful services to those w/o access to care, why not simply undermine that by doing EXACTLY the same thing, minus the abortions? If the level of care and access to care is the same with a 'new' organization, and although they won't perform abortions, they WILL refer women to other clinics w/o religious proselytizing, that could completely undermine PP's federal funding (or cut it way back).

Why won't the 'right' admit that providing birth control and honest medical information/access for reproductive health is a viable concession in order to shift money away from PP? Instead, we waste all this effort and money on 'fake' investigations and political rhetoric....

 

[THE_DEVIL]

actually not as it shone the light on what a scumbag organization PP really is. drop the funding!

You don't actually know what PP does , do you?
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are

 

[22*43*51]

You don't actually know what PP does , do you?
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are

Yes.

I would post picture, but it's not allowed.

 

[Lone Clone]

If that isn't a major issue, why did they waste the resources to investigate?

FYI, I agree it isn't the issue with the videos, but it is a common claim form the right that PP uses federal funds for abortions.

The issue is whether federal tax dollars should be used to support an organization that does what PP does. This isn't rocket science. The primary purpose -- and primary effect -- of the videos was to cast light on practices that most Americans find reprehensible.

To the extent that some PP chapters may be violating the law was a peripheral issue that still has not been resolved.

What PP and its enablers want everyone to ignore is the fact money is fungible. You give me $100 and tell me I can't use it for beer, and I agree. So I take that $100 and buy potatoes.....which frees up the $100 I was going to spend on potatoes for other purposes, including buying beer.

 

[Joes Place]

The issue is whether federal tax dollars should be used to support an organization that does what PP does. This isn't rocket science. The primary purpose -- and primary effect -- of the videos was to cast light on practices that most Americans find reprehensible.

To the extent that some PP chapters may be violating the law was a peripheral issue that still has not been resolved.

'Most Americans' don't care, because it's not their personal health issue as to why someone is intending to get an abortion.

If you're against abortions, then go 'all in' on birth control and access for women. If you're against abortions AND providing free/accessible birth control, you are vastly in the minority in America and you have logically conflicted positions.

And the issue HAS been 'resolved' by several investigations, which have turned up nothing. Only in the political blogs you read is there still 'an issue'.

 

[swagsurfer02]

There room in this circle jerk for one more?


Mm mmmm, satisfying

 

[naturalmwa]

There room in this circle jerk for one more?


Mm mmmm, satisfying

We can always expand the circle.

 

[Joes Place]

What PP and its enablers want everyone to ignore is the fact money is fungible. You give me $100 and tell me I can't use it for beer, and I agree. So I take that $100 and buy potatoes.....which frees up the $100 I was going to spend on potatoes for other purposes, including buying beer.

That's not how the funding works, at all.

PP will obtain the funds for abortions irrespective of any other funds they take in.

If it's 'funding' you are so concerned about, where is the $2 Trillion coming from to raise all those 'saved babies' from abortions? You?

 

[swagsurfer02]

We can always expand the circle.

Of course

 

[BABiscuit]

What PP and its enablers want everyone to ignore is the fact money is fungible. You give me $100 and tell me I can't use it for beer, and I agree. So I take that $100 and buy potatoes.....which frees up the $100 I was going to spend on potatoes for other purposes, including buying beer.

I guess I would respond to that with, So what?

The right pushed for the law that no federal funds be used for abortions. Are you saying when that passed they didn't realize money was fungible?

What do you think should be done about the whole fungible thing?

 

[theiacowtipper]

I guess I would respond to that with, So what?

The right pushed for the law that no federal funds be used for abortions. Are you saying when that passed they didn't realize money was fungible?

What do you think should be done about the whole fungible thing?

Obviously tax cuts to democrats should not be implemented. That money is fungible and some of it may be donated to planned parenthood.

 

[gusto79]

What PP and its enablers want everyone to ignore is the fact money is fungible. You give me $100 and tell me I can't use it for beer, and I agree. So I take that $100 and buy potatoes.....which frees up the $100 I was going to spend on potatoes for other purposes, including buying beer.

Can you explain how this applies to PP though? PP isn't buying abortions; they're selling them. Or are you saying it applies to the PP patient. Some lady has gonorrhea and is pregnant. She has $100. She wants to get treated for the STD and an abortion but she can only afford the STD treatment. But medicaid comes in and pays for the STD treatment allowing her to pay cash for her abortion?

 

[THE_DEVIL]

What repubs and its enablers want everyone to ignore is the fact money is fungible is only an argument used when it is something the repubs dislike. You give me $100 and tell me I can't use it for beer, and I agree. So I take that $100 and buy potatoes.....which frees up the $100 I was going to spend on potatoes for other purposes, including buying beer.

fify

 

[TexMichFan]

You realize that in witch hunts, the witches werent actually witches, dont you?

Bill would disagree with you.

 

[Lone Clone]

'Most Americans' don't care, because it's not their personal health issue as to why someone is intending to get an abortion.

If you're against abortions, then go 'all in' on birth control and access for women. If you're against abortions AND providing free/accessible birth control, you are vastly in the minority in America and you have logically conflicted positions.

And the issue HAS been 'resolved' by several investigations, which have turned up nothing. Only in the political blogs you read is there still 'an issue'.

Most Americans were/are not aware of some of the things that are happening. They think an abortion is when some teenager gets knocked up on Friday night and goes to have it taken care of on Monday morning.

Personally, I'm not against all abortions and I am in favor of making birth control easily accessible. I suspect I am part of a very large majority in holding those views.

 

[Lone Clone]

fify

That was a particularly stupid edit. No offense, of course.