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Gosh, Elon wants to give American jobs to foreigners!

CS job market is in the toilet, people getting laid off, grads can’t find jobs, but sure bring in cheap foreign workers for Elon!
The timing is perfect for a flood of foreign workers to help the housing market which is struggling with high vacancy rates.
You can’t make this crap up, Willis.
 
Whether Musk and Ramaswamy intended, there is some depth to this troll that I can appreciate. The left is really in a pickle here, it can't argue that immigration that harms jobs and wages for the blue collar and unskilled classes can be ignored when immigration that does the same to white collar jobs and wages should be attacked.
 
Why don’t the “American” engineers, etc. just offer employers a better deal than they’re getting from the “immigrants”?
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Why do we have to listen to this a-hole Ramascammy? The only reason he has any money is because he scammed his investors with a failed pharmaceutical. Other than being a thief, he hasn't accomplished jack shit.
Vivek stole money the right way in America, by fudging a pharmaceutical study and then scamming investors. If he'd stuck up a corner grocery store the MAGAts would be screaming for him to be thrown into prison.
 
His full write up

The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:

Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.

A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.

A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.

(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).

More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.” More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”
 
Yeah, this is BS.

The consulting company I just retired from was part of a merger a couple of years ago. This past year they laid off multiple coders for lack of work, then a month later they hired coders from offshore. They offered to rehire one of the laid off coders because they were being accused of violating labor laws by sponsoring an H1B visa holder after cutting a US job. They referred to this internally as selective / managed workforce balancing.

Look at most of the big US tech companies, and their associated consulting service providers, and this will be prevalent. Software certifications have become a joke because the exams are written by people having English as their second language, and the tests are administered en masse in foreign countries so the test takers are guaranteed to pass no matter how many attempts it takes, or how many proxy test takers it takes.
 
Yeah, this is BS.

The consulting company I just retired from was part of a merger a couple of years ago. This past year they laid off multiple coders for lack of work, then a month later they hired coders from offshore. They offered to rehire one of the laid off coders because they were being accused of violating labor laws by sponsoring an H1B visa holder after cutting a US job. They referred to this internally as selective / managed workforce balancing.

Look at most of the big US tech companies, and their associated consulting service providers, and this will be prevalent. Software certifications have become a joke because the exams are written by people having English as their second language, and the tests are administered en masse in foreign countries so the test takers are guaranteed to pass no matter how many attempts it takes, or how many proxy test takers it takes.

I got into software development in the late 70's / early 80's when it was considered the career of the future. It was great for nearly 20 years. But as salaries got high big business worked with government to import IT workers specifically to lower wages. It worked, and post-Y2K all companies in the NYC area dropped their consulting rates 30% to 40%. They basically gave everyone a new contract and said take it or leave it. I finally took a full-time job at just over half what I had been making consulting.

It's when I realized both parties were basically in the pocket of big business. I don't mind immigration. But I don't like targeted immigration designed specifically to lower wages at the behest of our corporate overlords.

Certifications have been a joke from the get-go. It's damn hard to design a test that actually uncovers whether or not a person understands the tool.
 
I’m definitely not an IT job market expert, but aren’t a lot of companies moving to offshore IT solutions? This creating less jobs for US based programmers? AI more than likely will replace these jobs faster (already is) than self driving trucks.
 
I’m definitely not an IT job market expert, but aren’t a lot of companies moving to offshore IT solutions? This creating less jobs for US based programmers? AI more than likely will replace these jobs faster (already is) than self driving trucks.

Yes. Our firm hired a team in Poland to do all development work about seven years ago, and my job was relegated to maintaining legacy software while they rewrite everything in more modern tools. Which was fine because I could just leisurely slide into retirement.

They spent four years rewriting our core system, and did a good job. But then they spent a year trying to rewrite an application that I had written in about two months, and finally stopped while they reconsider our priorities.

Now management wants a secondary "core" system rewritten, and they asked me to do it because they know I can do it in about six months whereas the new team would probably a couple years. So much for leisurely sliding into retirement...
 
Yes. Our firm hired a team in Poland to do all development work about seven years ago, and my job was relegated to maintaining legacy software while they rewrite everything in more modern tools. Which was fine because I could just leisurely slide into retirement.

They spent four years rewriting our core system, and did a good job. But then they spent a year trying to rewrite an application that I had written in about two months, and finally stopped while they reconsider our priorities.

Now management wants a secondary "core" system rewritten, and they asked me to do it because they know I can do it in about six months whereas the new team would probably a couple years. So much for leisurely sliding into retirement...
At my last job, all IT was done in India. They then off-shored our “Compliance” department to Bangladesh. My boss told me the job market is so bad in Bangladesh, that the employees will do a great job because they are so fearful of losing their job. Sounds awesome!
 
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The real icing on the cake is when you get to listen to H1B IT management yell at H1B developers who then try and shift blame to the H1B consultants who then shift the blame to the offshore developers who then try to pin part of the blame on the eastern european testing teams. So, you're playing united nations while being penny smart and a pound foolish. It looks good on a spreadsheet for the MBAs who can cash a fat bonus check for the cost efficiencies they found while they job hunt before the mess they created implodes.
 
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