Greg Gutfeld Destroys Obama’s Remarks About Christians With 2 Words That Point to the Real Problem

[ottumwan in tx]

so the new world order has made up bad muslims and terrorism- to scare us

at one time it was rooskies we were afraid of, commies, china, then after 9-11 it's muslims

they even tried to float a narrative about muslims doing okc, remember that? Clinton and the dems.

some even tried to float that it was muslims with the flight 800 deal

 

[naturalmwa]

and even fewer terrorists, if not -hardly any at all, most of the terrorists are cia trained ghosts or operatives

Charlie Wilson's war, we funded them

bin laden, we funded him

we find weapons of mass destruction in Syria with "made in usa" stamped on there

see, there is no "organic" muslim movement like in the old days when the muslims took over Constantinople

there is a usa funded isis and al q and stuff

I think that you think that I think there's some sort of radical muslim takeover effort like in the olden days of turkey and Constantinople , I don't think there is, however, I think the commies and fascists certainly are taking over, the new world order, and the use a religion to get what they want, they use peaceful muslims and they make up stuff, use it to their advantage, they also use the jewish religion to a certain extent, but that will bite them, and they come after Christians, but it is not muslims coming after Christians, it's the new world order commies and fascists

I guess you thought all along natural that I thought there was some sort of muslim takeover and I've never once posted that at all, however, I have posted for 50000+ posts that the new world order is taking over

No I understand what you are typing. I don't think you do. If there is no radical muslim take over, there are many non-radical muslims, millions and millions of them. You have made two opposing claims in this thread.

 

[joelbc1]

the muslims are puppets of the usa, and the new world order, and the usa is part of the new world order, non radical or radical, muslims, warlords, fascists, whatever, take your pick, and they did not do 9-11, and bush made up lies about them, and Obama continues the lies

OiT...which of the Bilderberg's is a Muslim?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

then we have all the young americans changing their names and thinking it's "romantic" and somehow "exciting and sexy" to join isis and stuff. I can't blame them: the dems and the media { the same folks} are telling them there's "good muslims and bad muslims", they think they are going over there to fight for the good. and thn there's the fact that Obama will never, ever, ever say isis. there's a reson for that. he's committed to isil as being the deal, not isis. for some reason. probably to stick it to isreal.

 

[Pepperman]

Maybe I am not listening. I try to find it, but I don't see many moderates myself. Of course, I've been to places like Malaysia that are completely moderate. I'd say Indonesians are as well. I've also been to India, where a lot of Muslims live. Maybe I need to state "moderates in the Middle East", I don't know... I do not see many moderates willing to speak out.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

No I understand what you are typing. I don't think you do. If there is no radical muslim take over, there are many non-radical muslims, millions and millions of them. You have made two opposing claims in this thread.

yes, that is true, but these are not real "muslims", just like I think most Christians are not real Christians. the ones you are speaking of are kind of westernized religious folks, kind of "muslim-lite" . yes I agree 100% there are millions of those all over the world and all over the usa and they don't bomb and they are not terrorists. yes, we can agree upon that. I just really do not think they are real muslims, just westernized fake muslims or muslim lite. they do not have a lot in common with the real muslims, sharia law, or osmanis or whatever, yes, I agree those folks are around. I think Obama is one of them actually. so I am not opposing anything, I think we are talking two different animals.

 

[naturalmwa]

Maybe I am not listening. I try to find it, but I don't see many moderates myself. Of course, I've been to places like Malaysia that are completely moderate. I'd say Indonesians are as well. I've also been to India, where a lot of Muslims live. Maybe I need to state "moderates in the Middle East", I don't know... I do not see many moderates willing to speak out.

How much exposure do you have to the arabic news sources out of the mideast? I know I have next to none and suspect that is true for most everyone here. So its only when I google it that I even know it's out there. To your original point, we discuss Christianity here because most everyone here is or was a Christian and thus its familiar enough to talk about it in depth. Most of us know next to nothing about Islam.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

natural, I think it is you who lumps all muslims together, not I. I can recognize there is a "muslim-lite" faction

I can also recognize there probably isn't an organic osmani terrorist faction

I can also recognize that over there, in the middle east, yes, there is a sharia law faction

I would never confuse the westernized ones with the osmanis

 

[naturalmwa]

yes, that is true, but these are not real "muslims", just like I think most Christians are not real Christians. the ones you are speaking of are kind of westernized religious folks, kind of "muslim-lite" . yes I agree 100% there are millions of those all over the world and all over the usa and they don't bomb and they are not terrorists. yes, we can agree upon that. I just really do not think they are real muslims, just westernized fake muslims or muslim lite. they do not have a lot in common with the real muslims, sharia law, or osmanis or whatever, yes, I agree those folks are around. I think Obama is one of them actually. so I am not opposing anything, I think we are talking two different animals.

Just stop. You of all people don't get to decide who is a real Christian or Muslim.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Just stop. You of all people don't get to decide who is a real Christian or Muslim.

and you don't get to decide that I thought the muslims were gonna takeover, when I never said that, or whatever you were saying. I explained my point very clearly, that I think there are factions of them. most of the factions are westernized, the ones that we know here. what is your deal with them?

 

[coloradonoles]

For SSP (spread sheet purposes) what is the political affiliation of the 1st poster to bring up race??

I'll hang up and listen...

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I just agreed with you natural that there are millions of westernized non violent muslims who are not terrorists, they are kind of a faction, maybe a "muslim lite" or an "A" team and "B" team, whatever, division two. whatever. just don't call them the JV team. Obama got in trouble for that.

 

[naturalmwa]

and you don't get to decide that I thought the muslims were gonna takeover, when I never said that, or whatever you were saying. I explained my point very clearly, that I think there are factions of them. most of the factions are westernized, the ones that we know here. what is your deal with them?

I didn't think that about you, I think your comprehension on the issue is wrong and you continue to show that problem here in this post where you clearly aren't comprehending me. You made the contradictory points that most muslims were radical and non radical. I'm pointing that contradiction out to you.

 

[naturalmwa]

For SSP (spread sheet purposes) what is the political affiliation of the 1st poster to bring up race??

I'll hang up and listen...

Is this the first post about race? What is your affiliation?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I think most radical muslims are made up in peoples' minds

 

[naturalmwa]

I think most radical muslims are made up in peoples' minds

Good, we agree.

 

[Lone Clone]

It's hilarious to see the kneejerk nellies cry "racist" at anybody who dares criticism he president.

What Gutfield said is spot on, of course, and he's hardly the first one to say it.

Somebody else -- which I could remember who it was -- had perhaps the best analogy when describing Obama's attitude as that of a college freshman back home after his first semester, condescendingly explaining the world to his parents.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

OiT...which of the Bilderberg's is a Muslim?

Obama is their puppet, the big oil sauds, rule the world, they are not real muslims like the osmanis of turkey, they are more the westernized muslims of today

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Yes the imbecile named Obama is a smug one.

 

[Vroom_C14]

But there is an internal inconsistency. Radical muslims are defined by terrorism. You said muslims are mostly radical. Yet you think they mostly don't support terrorism. See the problem yet?

And yet Obama refuses to see radical Muslims defined...

 

[ottumwan in tx]

And yet Obama refuses to see radical Muslims defined...

I'm starting to think it's because there is but one definition of a muslim, and one only. and natural is saying that as well. I'm starting to think that liberals and Obama do not like us talking about the different factions, even though there is evidence of different factions.

 

[coloradonoles]

Is this the first post about race? What is your affiliation?

My political affiliation is germane to the question... however I will try and explain later ITP.

The reason I asked is because I often hear (here and other places, including the real world) that Southern Rs (and Republicans in general) are racist. Yet whenever someone disagrees with anyone who is black, brown or yellow it is instantly brought up that the disagreeing party is racist. I find it laughable that social liberals are the first to cry racism. So I decided to start keeping an informal count. When someone says something racist and when someone cries racism. I will be interested in the results.

As for my political leans:
I am fiscally very conservative, anti "big government", and socially IDGAF. I certainly don't agree with the decisions alot of people make, but I'm certainly not going to fight for the ability to keep you from doing almost anything you want in your own house or in public for that matter...

I've been on HROT for a LONG time. Rarely post but I read most threads.

 

[naturalmwa]

My political affiliation is germane to the question... however I will try and explain later ITP.

The reason I asked is because I often hear (here and other places, including the real world) that Southern Rs (and Republicans in general) are racist. Yet whenever someone disagrees with anyone who is black, brown or yellow it is instantly brought up that the disagreeing party is racist. I find it laughable that social liberals are the first to cry racism. So I decided to start keeping an informal count. When someone says something racist and when someone cries racism. I will be interested in the results.

As for my political leans:
I am fiscally very conservative, anti "big government", and socially IDGAF. I certainly don't agree with the decisions alot of people make, but I'm certainly not going to fight for the ability to keep you from doing almost anything you want in your own house or in public for that matter...

I've been on HROT for a LONG time. Rarely post but I read most threads.

I look forward to the results of your count. What is your definition of racist for this count? For example when a poster calls for voter ID's do you mark that as racist based on results of the policy? Or do you only put a mark in the column when a poster points out that voter IDs are racist policy? And if its the latter you you put the mark against the original voter ID proponent or against the whistleblower? IMO racists fret about race a whole lot, but have simply learned to avoid the words while keeping the policy positions. That's why I always say, policy is all that matters.

 

[Vroom_C14]

I'm starting to think it's because there is but one definition of a muslim, and one only. and natural is saying that as well. I'm starting to think that liberals and Obama do not like us talking about the different factions, even though there is evidence of different factions.

And yet they talk all the time of the different factions of the Right, Christians, etc. It's as if they are afraid of poking the muslim bear...

 

[coloradonoles]

I look forward to the results of your count. What is your definition of racist for this count? For example when a poster calls for voter ID's do you mark that as racist based on results of the policy? Or do you only put a mark in the column when a poster points out that voter IDs are racist policy? And if its the latter you you put the mark against the original voter ID proponent or against the whistleblower? IMO racists fret about race a whole lot, but have simply learned to avoid the words while keeping the policy positions. That's why I always say, policy is all that matters.

Case by case, I guess. I don't see how voter ID laws are inherently racist on the face, though I would be hard to argue they haven't morphed into that very thing.

I assume the bold part was to imply since I am "fretting" about race I must be racist... seems par for the course around here...

I was raised in the South and I have seen and heard some very awful things in my life and fully admit that there are racial problems in this country. But until both sides admit they have to meet in the middle, nothing will ever change. Not saying halfway (or even close) but to assume the black community couldn't help some along the way is ludicrous.

 

[naturalmwa]

Case by case, I guess. I don't see how voter ID laws are inherently racist on the face, though I would be hard to argue they haven't morphed into that very thing.

I assume the bold part was to imply since I am "fretting" about race I must be racist... seems par for the course around here...

I was raised in the South and I have seen and heard some very awful things in my life and fully admit that there are racial problems in this country. But until both sides admit they have to meet in the middle, nothing will ever change. Not saying halfway (or even close) but to assume the black community couldn't help some along the way is ludicrous.

You're assumption is wrong, it wasn't a personal attack and I didn't assume you were racist. I assume there are racists and I assume they know their views are out of favor. So when they formulate policy, I assume they take race into account, yet don't speak directly on that issue. Voter ID being one example where they have found a way to enact a policy that disadvantage those they want to target, yet veil the policy in other more benign terms. So in my opinion if you are going to score the teams for race baiting, racist policy should earn a mark, even if racist language isn't used.

 

[lawsonhawk]

I'm just pointing out you have no idea what you're talking about. Its kind of you to assist with that point.

I you were paying attention Mr. Know-It-All, you would see Kevin Bacon in the lower left and realize this connect the dots must be accurate.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

And yet they talk all the time of the different factions of the Right, Christians, etc. It's as if they are afraid of poking the muslim bear...

this is correct, there is the religious right Christians who are evil, they carry guns and wear KKK hoods, then there's Obama the Christian who goes to a church where they say, "GD America", then there are certain Christian churches which now allow women to preach and maybe a ghey marriage or two, then there are catholics who are liberal as heck, commies, then there are catholics who are conservative and old fashioned. but there are no radical muslims, just good guys who are sweet and loving. and mostly they are children really. and they need free health insurance. and free houses, do these children, and if you take that away from them you are a Nazi fascist, and probably a Christian who wears a KKK hood.

 

[JRHawk2003]

Im a Catholic, and the older I get the less I know and believe.