John Stossel? You serious with this crap? I also don't think you get the irony of laying into movie stars when you just got done linking a piece by a movie star "journalist."
John Stossel? You serious with this crap? I also don't think you get the irony of laying into movie stars when you just got done linking a piece by a movie star "journalist."
Then maybe the scientists and other GW buttmonkey's need to back off and do better research?
Another duck and dodge.Actually we've never discussed the tipping point before, there, Einstein. As for this silly thread, what the tipping point actually means is not the point where everything starts going to hell. That's just a made up denier talking point to avoid what the real scientists are saying. It refers to the point where we can no longer go back to normal conditions because what greenhouse gases we've pumped in the atmosphere are there to stay. For chrissake, read an actual science article for once, guys.
I've already defined it. And the reason I haven't answered if we've hit the tipping point is because nobody knows for sure where it is. Nobody knows for sure what the exact consequences of CC will be. All we know for sure is that pumping billions of tons of carbon emissions into the atmosphere causes the earth surface to appreciably warm, a point your side keeps ignoring. Maybe you think that humans having the power to effect entire climates, temperatures, and weather systems is nothing to worry about, but the vast majority of experts disagree. I would prefer to error on the side of caution.Another duck and dodge.
How hard can it be for you to answer with a yes, no, or even a maybe on the subject - Einstein. We all figure you know because you have read everything that you agree with on climate change.
What we all want to know is have we reached it not how you define it.
or preferably no research right?
I've already defined it. And the reason I haven't answered if we've hit the tipping point is because nobody knows for sure where it is. Nobody knows for sure what the exact consequences of CC will be. All we know for sure is that pumping billions of tons of carbon emissions into the atmosphere causes the earth surface to appreciably warm, a point your side keeps ignoring. Maybe you think that humans having the power to effect entire climates, temperatures, and weather systems is nothing to worry about, but the vast majority of experts disagree. I would prefer to error on the side of caution.
Actually we've never discussed the tipping point before, there, Einstein. As for this silly thread, what the tipping point actually means is not the point where everything starts going to hell. That's just a made up denier talking point to avoid what the real scientists are saying. It refers to the point where we can no longer go back to normal conditions because what greenhouse gases we've pumped in the atmosphere are there to stay..
oI'll tell you when you learn the difference between to and too.![]()
GW results have been falling short since people started making them.
When and how huey? Dispute the article, point out the ones that have come true... you can't so you wont.We're debating whether CC is even real. You bet we've reached the tipping point.
Spoken by someone who doesn't even understand what the op article is about.
For decades now, those concerned about global warming have been predicting the so-called “tipping point” — the point beyond which it’ll be too late to stave off catastrophic global warming.
It seems like every year the “tipping point” is close to being reached, and that the world must get rid of fossil fuels to save the planet. That is, until we’ve passed that deadline and the next such “tipping point” is predicted.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/04/2...e-global-warming-tipping-point/#ixzz3zy62HJWT
No, I just know the history of GW alarmists and their extremely poor predictions.
Too be fair, only one of those observed temps is even almost on the line. Technically, they were wrong every year. I'm not sure that technicality will allow deniers to slip past St. Peter. I may be hanging out in Hell with a whole lot of Republicans. In fact that sounds a lot like what Hell would be.You mean like this one?
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Figure 4: IPCC SAR Scenario IS92a global surface temperature projection (blue) vs. observed surface temperature changes (average of NASA GISS, NOAA NCDC, and HadCRUT4; red) for 1990 through 2012.
The sky is falling meme.
Ah yes, the Daily Caller, that paragon of scientific knowledge and accurate reporting.
You'll be dead before the party commences. Quit whining.I've already defined it. And the reason I haven't answered if we've hit the tipping point is because nobody knows for sure where it is. Nobody knows for sure what the exact consequences of CC will be. All we know for sure is that pumping billions of tons of carbon emissions into the atmosphere causes the earth surface to appreciably warm, a point your side keeps ignoring. Maybe you think that humans having the power to effect entire climates, temperatures, and weather systems is nothing to worry about, but the vast majority of experts disagree. I would prefer to error on the side of caution.
John Stossel? You serious with this crap? I also don't think you get the irony of laying into movie stars when you just got done linking a piece by a movie star "journalist."
It is not 'my belief' that all the recent warming is manmade.
It is my observation and understanding that:
So, I don't "believe" that we are responsible, I am deducing we are responsible because no one has identified any 'natural mechanism' that can explain the temperature increases and observations. And nearly ALL climate scientists are in agreement on that. Even Exxon's internal documents predicted it was going to happen 30 years ago based on CO2 pollution.
- Solar output is mostly unchanged for at least 70 years, and in fact has dropped in the past 2 decades. New analysis of historical sunspot data implies solar output has been in a 'lull' for the past several hundred years. Thus, it is highly unlikely that solar output variations, which are either stable at best and more likely decreasing, can explain recent warming - they should be causing a very limited and slow cooling.
- Milankovitch cycles occur on a range of 100,000 to 400,000 years, and we are already past the peak of the last cycle and on the 'downward' side. Thus, it is highly improbable (bordering on completely impossible) that these cycles can explain the recent warming - we should be experiencing an unmeasureable (on a century-scale) cooling.
- A complex system like our climate certainly has lots of internal variability, BUT in order for it to move significantly in one direction or another, there MUST be some forcing causing the change. The Earth and Earth's oceans simply have a massive specific heat value which will not allow major shifts in global temperature unless there is an imbalanced forcing, like solar output (which noted above, is stable or decreasing).
- ENSO variation can influence decadal temperatures, but cannot explain consistent warming over the past century. A simple look at ENSO vs. global temperatures shows rapid warming during any El Nino dominated decade, and NO COOLING, but instead stable temperatures during La Nina dominated periods. If the Earth's temperature were stable, we SHOULD see some cooling during La Nina periods but we don't.
- The ONLY variable that we have been able to track which is consistent with recent warming is GHG levels, particularly CO2 levels. Those levels are entirely driven my man-made influences, which is well documented by analyzing isotope levels for the C in the CO2; we KNOW that the 'new' CO2 has been sequestered for millennia because of the isotope ratios - either as oil, coal or natural gas. Thus, we KNOW we are the one causing the CO2 runup, and it is presently the ONLY variable consistent with the warming.
They are always the same. You can just jump to page 3 and join right in like a well used brownstar at an orgy.I always love the global warming threads.
Do you think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation staged by the govt?
Do you think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation staged by the govt?