Hang in there, Hawks...

[MTobin]

...a lot to like on your team. Cook is a real talent and I can see why Painter went after Pemsl pretty hard. Once they gain some experience and understand the effort level required on a nightly basis in the B1G, they'll be a force to be reckoned with.

BTW, I know every board has its haters, it glass-half-empties, its Debbie Downers, etc., but your guy andoboy seems to take it to a new level. He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's definitely the biggest.

Finally, sorry a couple of our guys jumped in and douched up your game thread. I would like to clarify one thing in there, though. While Purdue doesn't "usually" shoot 10-of-17 from three in a half, it's not unusual for that to happen. They hit 17-of-26 for the game against Auburn and 15-27 against Arizona State. There have been 5 games of >50% and last night was the 6th game with double-digit made threes.

Fun Fact: PJ Thompson is from the same high school as Jeff Moe (and Alan Henderson).

 

[showtime641]

I'm really hoping that at the end of the season when PU goes deep in the tourney we look back at this game as hawks as just being not ready for the moment and we are still a mid level big ten team that competes night in and night out. We will see against UM. And yes, andoboy is annoying af. No argument there.

 

[DanL53]

Thanks for being classy MTobin.

 

[boiler1987]

I wanted to apologize here for some of the things I said in the game thread. I respect your program and shouldn't have said those things. Sorry about that.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

...a lot to like on your team. Cook is a real talent and I can see why Painter went after Pemsl pretty hard. Once they gain some experience and understand the effort level required on a nightly basis in the B1G, they'll be a force to be reckoned with.

BTW, I know every board has its haters, it glass-half-empties, its Debbie Downers, etc., but your guy andoboy seems to take it to a new level. He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's definitely the biggest.

Finally, sorry a couple of our guys jumped in and douched up your game thread. I would like to clarify one thing in there, though. While Purdue doesn't "usually" shoot 10-of-17 from three in a half, it's not unusual for that to happen. They hit 17-of-26 for the game against Auburn and 15-27 against Arizona State. There have been 5 games of >50% and last night was the 6th game with double-digit made threes.

Fun Fact: PJ Thompson is from the same high school as Jeff Moe (and Alan Henderson).

Yes your team has done a complete 180 from last year. The guards are solid and look very much improved from last years team. They are under control and are good shooters. The Bigs are going to be tough for any team to stop. Haas and Swanigan are tough, but V edwards impressed me as well last night. Purdue has a solid 6 players who will make it tough for any team to defend. Its a pick your poison type of thing. Stop the shooters and leave the bigs open or vice versa. I think the conference is yours baring any injuries or shooting slumps. I think you are the Big Tens best shot at a final 4 team.

Best of luck moving forward and hopefully we give you a better game in Iowa City.

 

[LuteHawk]

Purdue has two huge Goliaths underneath the bucket,
who are going to present match up problems. In the
first half the Hawkeyes played zone and were killed by
3 pointers. In the second half the Hawks played man
to man and got eaten alive by Haas and Swanigan.

The Hawkeyes are not going to play a top 20 team every
night in the Big Ten. We need to learn from our mistakes
and try to improve when we play with the big boys.

 

[hooper56]

Yeah I agree. Anything less than an elite eight appearance would be an underachievement from this Purdue team. You have size, talent, shooting, defense and good coaching. Purdue could win it all they have the pieces.

 

[DanL53]

I wanted to apologize here for some of the things I said in the game thread. I respect your program and shouldn't have said those things. Sorry about that.

Thanks. I never touch our game thread anyway. It's like being on a roller coaster with all the people ever who never should have gotten on the roller coaster.

 

[boiler1987]

Thanks. I never touch our game thread anyway. It's like being on a roller coaster with all the people ever who never should have gotten on the roller coaster.

Game threads can get that way haha.

 

[johnnashhawk]

Fortunately, I was sick, so didn't have to see the last quarter of the first half, on. Purdue is good. I was hoping for a little more fire from our guys, though. esp. on the defensive end. I think Wagner's value as a leader is undervalued....when he realizes he is a leader. And it's not like many teams are going to come out of there with a win.

There are two ways to react to a loss like this, and we all know what they are. I'm hoping we come out stoked vs UM and every game to follow.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Yeah I agree. Anything less than an elite eight appearance would be an underachievement from this Purdue team. You have size, talent, shooting, defense and good coaching. Purdue could win it all they have the pieces.

I disagree. Would be surprised if they win a game in the tourney. Another mediocre Purdue team. B1G is really really down this year so that should help them get a good seed & give them a chance in their 1st round game.

 

[Kurt Warner]

I disagree. Would be surprised if they win a game in the tourney. Another mediocre Purdue team. B1G is really really down this year so that should help them get a good seed & give them a chance in their 1st round game.

Rocky Mountain hawk=andoboy wannabe

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Rocky Mountain hawk=andoboy wannabe

That was weak sauce! Pretty lame, Kurt Warner, pretty lame.

 

[boiler1987]

I disagree. Would be surprised if they win a game in the tourney. Another mediocre Purdue team. B1G is really really down this year so that should help them get a good seed & give them a chance in their 1st round game.

Can't tell if you're joking or not.

 

[vgshwk]

Right now this team is like the Cubs three years ago. The talent is there but young but the wait is still hard.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

pu was every bit a top 15 team last night.
Iowa is a young, and erratic, lower middle of the pack B1G team. And they showed that.
If pu shows up for the rematch in IC with at least their B game, they'll win again. If they show up with what they had last night, Iowa will have to play lights out just to not get blown off the floor again.

 

[myteamcanbeatupyourteam]

I wanted to apologize here for some of the things I said in the game thread. I respect your program and shouldn't have said those things. Sorry about that.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Purdue will struggle when they go up against teams with experienced, skilled bigs, who can get Haas/Swanigan into foul trouble. In particular (and sorry to seem like I'm bashing you guys after you started a classy thread), Swanigan was far less improved than what I was expecting. He had a nice fadeaway jumper and split two defenders on a hook shot which were both impressive, but he still has a tendency to throw his weight around and still isn't all that polished.

Of course if Purdue is hitting the outside shot, they'll be tough to beat, but I would expect D1 players to be able to knock down open threes. While the Boilermakers are likely a top 3 team in the Big Ten, I thought last night was more reflective of an inexperienced Iowa team than an incredible Purdue team.

Good game and I appreciate the classy posts.

 

[RocknRollface]

Purdue will struggle when they go up against teams with experienced, skilled bigs, who can get Haas/Swanigan into foul trouble. In particular (and sorry to seem like I'm bashing you guys after you started a classy thread), Swanigan was far less improved than what I was expecting. He had a nice fadeaway jumper and split two defenders on a hook shot which were both impressive, but he still has a tendency to throw his weight around and still isn't all that polished.

Of course if Purdue is hitting the outside shot, they'll be tough to beat, but I would expect D1 players to be able to knock down open threes. While the Boilermakers are likely a top 3 team in the Big Ten, I thought last night was more reflective of an inexperienced Iowa team than an incredible Purdue team.

Good game and I appreciate the classy posts.

Im curious as to who these experienced bigs are that are going to give PU trouble? I dont see them out there.

IU will probably give them some issues but its more because Bryant and Anonouby can go outside as well as having great size and athleticism.

Id take Purdues bigs over Wisconsins.

 

[bagdropper]

Purdue will go as far as how effectively they can avoid the recently all to often case of The Purdues.

I think they're a really good team if they stay focused and injury-free, and get quality point play. Good inside-outside teams are usually difficult to beat for anybody no matter how good the other team is.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I wanted to apologize here for some of the things I said in the game thread. I respect your program and shouldn't have said those things. Sorry about that.

I wish some Iowa fans would apologize for comments they made. But thanks. No worries.

 

[MTobin]

Purdue will struggle when they go up against teams with experienced, skilled bigs, who can get Haas/Swanigan into foul trouble. In particular (and sorry to seem like I'm bashing you guys after you started a classy thread), Swanigan was far less improved than what I was expecting. He had a nice fadeaway jumper and split two defenders on a hook shot which were both impressive, but he still has a tendency to throw his weight around and still isn't all that polished.

Of course if Purdue is hitting the outside shot, they'll be tough to beat, but I would expect D1 players to be able to knock down open threes. While the Boilermakers are likely a top 3 team in the Big Ten, I thought last night was more reflective of an inexperienced Iowa team than an incredible Purdue team.

Good game and I appreciate the classy posts.

Re: Swanigan, that's the danger of making a judgment off of one game. The full Purdue-ND game is out on YouTube. The second half of that or maybe even the last 10 minutes of that might change your mind. It's not just offense, it's a lot of little things that were on display even last night--defensive footwork, patience, making the right pass and like Fran said before the game, rarely ever taking a bad shot. Plus, he brings 100% effort every night which inspires everyone else to do the same. Awesome team leader.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Can't tell if you're joking or not.

I'm not. How long has Painter coached there? I'm not positive but I don't think he's ever made an elite 8. And very few sweet 16's. For fans of either team to declare Pur is a sweet 16 team or better that's unreasonable imo.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Looked quickly & I think he's 8-8 in the tourney. Has never been further than the sweet 16. And he hasn't won a tourney game in 4 years I think. But yeah, I guess I can see why anybody that thinks Pur won't be in the elite 8 or further is just being crazy. Derp!

 

[ScoutRefugee]

You're right. I'll be hanging in there for the BIG title ceremony in CHA, come March! It's all but in the bag, bro.

 

[goodbyebobby]

Re: Swanigan, that's the danger of making a judgment off of one game. The full Purdue-ND game is out on YouTube. The second half of that or maybe even the last 10 minutes of that might change your mind. It's not just offense, it's a lot of little things that were on display even last night--defensive footwork, patience, making the right pass and like Fran said before the game, rarely ever taking a bad shot. Plus, he brings 100% effort every night which inspires everyone else to do the same. Awesome team leader.

Swanigan is a stud. Dude has worked his butt off, literally. His game is a complete turn around from last season. Kudos to him.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Im curious as to who these experienced bigs are that are going to give PU trouble? I dont see them out there.

IU will probably give them some issues but its more because Bryant and Anonouby can go outside as well as having great size and athleticism.

Id take Purdues bigs over Wisconsins.

Purdue has better bigs than most teams, I was just saying that I think they're foul prone. Happ and Bryant would be the main ones in the Big Ten, but I'm sure they'll run into more come tournament time.

 

[Kurt Warner]

That was weak sauce! Pretty lame, Kurt Warner, pretty lame.

i didn't think it was that bad

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

i didn't think it was that bad

It was lame for sure.

 

[MTobin]

Purdue has better bigs than most teams, I was just saying that I think they're foul prone. Happ and Bryant would be the main ones in the Big Ten, but I'm sure they'll run into more come tournament time.

They are less foul prone than they used to be. Haas' fouls committed per 40 mins was 5.9 as a freshman, 4.6 last year and 3.5 this year. Swanigan was at 3.4 last year and 3.1 this. Both draw more than twice as many fouls as they commit.

The team as a whole is #2 in the country in defensive ratio of free throw attempts to field goal attempts at 18.2%.

 

[unoHawkeye]

They are less foul prone than they used to be. Haas' fouls committed per 40 mins was 5.9 as a freshman, 4.6 last year and 3.5 this year. Swanigan was at 3.4 last year and 3.1 this. Both draw more than twice as many fouls as they commit.

The team as a whole is #2 in the country in defensive ratio of free throw attempts to field goal attempts at 18.2%.

Those numbers won't go down in Big Ten play. Like I said, you guys have a great team, so I'm not just trying to talk crap. I just pointed out something that I think could be pretty exploitable down the road.

 

[MTobin]

Those numbers won't go down in Big Ten play. Like I said, you guys have a great team, so I'm not just trying to talk crap. I just pointed out something that I think could be pretty exploitable down the road.

I don't disagree. Having both in trouble is a problem due to lack of depth. The one game that happened in was Villanova. 'Nova couldn't handle them when they were on the floor. Five more minutes from either one and that's likely a W.

 

[Franisdaman]

Yeah I agree. Anything less than an elite eight appearance would be an underachievement from this Purdue team. You have size, talent, shooting, defense and good coaching. Purdue could win it all they have the pieces.

all it takes is a couple things to derail a team in the Big Dance:
* Shots suddenly are not falling like they did in that 1st round game
* foul trouble
* a key injury

 

[MTobin]

Exactly, which is why it's so hard and so cruel.

See you in a couple of weeks, Hawks. I appreciate that this is the rare free board where one can have a civil discussion.