Happy Insurrection Day!

[Scruddy]

Okay, so Federal agencies had assets on-site, but where's the credible evidence they incited violence? Also, I'm confused on yours and others stance...was their violence or just a casual stroll around the Capitol? If there was no violence, then why did Nancy need to take ownership of anything?

Why would only dems need to hold themselves accountable? Wouldn't we want that from all politicians regardless of political affiliation?

Of course there was some violence, it was a riot. And I've been very outspoken that any and all violent actors should not receive clemency or pardons and face the full weight of the law. The problem is that hundreds of people simply walked through open doors, waved in by Capitol police in a lot of cases even, walked around the Capitol, took a few pictures then left (typival tourism stuff). People who did that have been imprisoned and that is not justice imo.

Why do you think ray epps was never charged for incitement despite being on video for days (plural) encouraging people to go into the Capitol and break the law? Why was he protected despite obviously trying to create chaos that day?

 

[IACub]

Democracy works on the first Tuesday of November and January 20th. Elected officials doing their jobs is not an exercise in democracy. If that's your basis then democracy hasn't worked much or well, in 20 years.

What an idiotic take. Elected officials representing their constituents is the freaking definition of a Democratic Republic.

 

[millah_22]

Okay, so Federal agencies had assets on-site, but where's the credible evidence they incited violence? Also, I'm confused on yours and others stance...was their violence or just a casual stroll around the Capitol? If there was no violence, then why did Nancy need to take ownership of anything?

Why would only dems need to hold themselves accountable? Wouldn't we want that from all politicians regardless of political affiliation?

 

[alaskanseminole]

Of course there was some violence, it was a riot. And I've been very outspoken that any and all violent actors should not receive clemency or pardons and face the full weight of the law. The problem is that hundreds of people simply walked through open doors, waved in by Capitol police in a lot of cases even, walked around the Capitol, took a few pictures then left (typival tourism stuff). People who did that have been imprisoned and that is not justice imo.

Okay, good. I can say we agree on this part. I've had arguments with others (looking at you Papa Ted) where they refuse to acknowlege any videos other than the casual stroll ones. There were multiple things going on that day and each should be judged on its own merit.

Aside from the pockets of violence, everything that took place in the Senate Chamber requires prosecution.

Why do you think ray epps was never charged for incitement despite being on video for days (plural) encouraging people to go into the Capitol and break the law? Why was he protected despite obviously trying to create chaos that day?

I'll be honest, I’ve not read through everything regarding Ray’s case AND I’m no attorney, but from what I have read, there are a few things to consider. First, while Epps was definitely on video encouraging people to go to the Capitol, there’s no clear evidence that his actions directly led to criminal behavior. Legal incitement requires proving intent to provoke illegal activity, and from what I understand, there wasn't enough evidence to charge him for that, right? ALso, iirc, wasn't there speculation that maybe Epps was working as an undercover informant or had some other role with the feds?

 

[alaskanseminole]

Just a walking tour of the Capitol, guys. Coincidentally, it was while Congress was attempting to certify the election. Absolutely no crossover between those two things.

I'd take it a step further and claim it was a complete dereliction of duty on the part of Congress. When those fine citizens entered the Senate Chamber they were nowhere to be found (probably off loafing). Where the hell were they and why weren't they doing their job?

 

[DeangeloVickers]

4 years ago the Constitution was under attack on this day. For 4 years Americans were lied to by Trump and MAGAs about how the election was stolen from him. Of course, nothing but lies, blather and bullshit but “noise” nonetheless. Today America will witness first hand how a democracy is supposed to work. A peaceful and non-violent transfer of power will take place early this afternoon.
It’s not because Democrats agree with Republicans and Trump in how the country needs to be run. It will happen because Democrats, as a Party, love the concept of our American style of democracy.

We all know what would have happened if Trump had lost the election last November. We have observed how he/they react to adversity almost daily for the past 4 years.

Good grief guys move on. 213 individuals have been convicted or pled guilty to felonies related to Jan 6th. 213 morons out of 77 million who voted for DT.
You look like idiots, and do nothing but alienate the 99.99998% of Republican voters who didn't break into the capital, when you paint them all with this brush.
Grow up, or keep losing.

 

[NoleinATL]

Making a joke about what happened on 1/6/21 is as disgusting as those who defend the ones who violated the US House.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

1/6/21 also known as the day Ashli Babitt FAFO.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Good grief guys move on. 213 individuals have been convicted or pled guilty to felonies related to Jan 6th. 213 morons out of 77 million who voted for DT.
You look like idiots, and do nothing but alienate the 99.99998% of Republican voters who didn't break into the capital, when you paint them all with this brush.
Grow up, or keep losing.

Well, the head of the party keeps them front and center.

 

[uihawk82]

4 years ago the Constitution was under attack on this day. For 4 years Americans were lied to by Trump and MAGAs about how the election was stolen from him. Of course, nothing but lies, blather and bullshit but “noise” nonetheless. Today America will witness first hand how a democracy is supposed to work. A peaceful and non-violent transfer of power will take place early this afternoon.
It’s not because Democrats agree with Republicans and Trump in how the country needs to be run. It will happen because Democrats, as a Party, love the concept of our American style of democracy.

We all know what would have happened if Trump had lost the election last November. We have observed how he/they react to adversity almost daily for the past 4 years.

Very good and true post. There are a lot of extreme haters on the far right and even the not so far right. There are a lot of bootlicking Repubs in Congress who are so afraid of losing the paycheck.

It is disgusting because they know they have been bending over for the big one from the donald for 8 years now. They will go with the lies and the lousy governing for 4 more years. The House has already put out a new bill or talking of it which will add 10 Trillion to the National Debt which is what they say they abhor.

Lies, Lies, and criminals in the last Trump Admin and cabinet. Let's see if they try to do it again.

I like people who tell the truth and want a smooth running democracy, not these crazies who think they are entitled to raid Social Security and Medicare when those funds are not supposed to be touched

 

[uihawk82]

1/6/21 also known as the day Ashli Babitt FAFO.

I feel sorry for people like Babitt that get mesmerized by a narrow silo of lies and info and then go off to LaLa land in their heads. Her family described this huge change in her. It is too bad

I dont feel bad for any of the Jan 6th rioters that have been convicted because they went against every principle of our country. I peacefully protested against the Vietnam War, I did not agree with any violent protests back then or now. Ghandi threw out the once most powerful colonial country of all time.

If Trump tries to do anti constitutional bullshit I will be marching again but I just dont know how many Americans give a shit anymore.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

It's time to celebrate our once great country, who fought fascism on two fronts to try to make the world a better place, has succumbed to being a fascist state. We can now call our country a 3rd world shithole. Thank you maga scum for delivering our once great country's values to rock bottom.

 

[joelbc1]

Good grief guys move on. 213 individuals have been convicted or pled guilty to felonies related to Jan 6th. 213 morons out of 77 million who voted for DT.
You look like idiots, and do nothing but alienate the 99.99998% of Republican voters who didn't break into the capital, when you paint them all with this brush.
Grow up, or keep losing.

Those who participated in the election participated as responsible citizens should…those who participated in the insurrection of 1/6/21 are traitors who needed to be charged accordingly. Wgat they did was participate in a treason. Charter members of the Benedict Arnold Society.

 

[joelbc1]

Democracy works on the first Tuesday of November and January 20th. Elected officials doing their jobs is not an exercise in democracy. If that's your basis then democracy hasn't worked much or well, in 20 years.

WTF are you trying to say?

 

[Scruddy]

Okay, good. I can say we agree on this part. I've had arguments with others (looking at you Papa Ted) where they refuse to acknowlege any videos other than the casual stroll ones. There were multiple things going on that day and each should be judged on its own merit.

Aside from the pockets of violence, everything that took place in the Senate Chamber requires prosecution.

I'll be honest, I’ve not read through everything regarding Ray’s case AND I’m no attorney, but from what I have read, there are a few things to consider. First, while Epps was definitely on video encouraging people to go to the Capitol, there’s no clear evidence that his actions directly led to criminal behavior. Legal incitement requires proving intent to provoke illegal activity, and from what I understand, there wasn't enough evidence to charge him for that, right? ALso, iirc, wasn't there speculation that maybe Epps was working as an undercover informant or had some other role with the feds?

If ray epps was playing any role for the feds (my assumption is that he obviously was, though the specific role is not known) as you mention in your last comment isn't that extremely concerning, him encouraging people to go into the Capitol building specifically? Seems like the kind of thing the American people deserve 100% transparency on IMO and the fact that we don't have that makes the feds look that much more culpable in all of it.

 

[alaskanseminole]

If ray epps was playing any role for the feds (my assumption is that he obviously was, though the specific role is not known) as you mention in your last comment isn't that extremely concerning, him encouraging people to go into the Capitol building specifically? Seems like the kind of thing the American people deserve 100% transparency on IMO and the fact that we don't have that makes the feds look that much more culpable in all of it.

I get what your saying, but if someone keeps egging me on to go rob a liquor store and I cave and do so, the actions of the instigator don't absolve me of my actions. I'm an adult responsible for the decisions I make and decisions have consequences.

 

[Scruddy]

I get what your saying, but if someone keeps egging me on to go rob a liquor store and I cave and do so, the actions of the instigator don't absolve me of my actions. I'm an adult responsible for the decisions I make and decisions have consequences.

I get what you're saying and that's why I think anyone who committed acts of violence deserves to be held accountable. Nobody forced them to do it. But that also doesn't excuse the fact that the federal government may have had an agent telling people to commit crimes which raises a million red flags and loses the fbi all credibility in any claims or statements they make. As well as the j6 committee who actively covered for said individual.

 

[artradley]

Democracy works on the first Tuesday of November and January 20th. Elected officials doing their jobs is not an exercise in democracy. If that's your basis then democracy hasn't worked much or well, in 20 years.

Well, that's completely wrong. Democracy doesn't work until the officials in power voluntarily follow the rule of law throughout the process. It worked four years ago specifically because on January 6th Pence refused the calls for him to ignore the results of our election.

 

[artradley]

WTF are you trying to say?

He's the guy that thinks Melania has turned Trump into a Christian, family-centered man. That is to say, he is broken. Trump has broken him.

 

[libbity bibbity]

Making a joke about what happened on 1/6/21 is as disgusting as those who defend the ones who violated the US House.

Libs think Jan 6th was worse than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor combined.

 

[Hawkstate1]

I heard on the news today that most of those convicted in connection with 1/6 pled guilty. Will Trump pardon them, too? I assume so. But it seems strange to pardon someone who openly affirmed his guilt. Unless maybe Trump will assert that they were all coerced into confessing?

You realize of course, not one single person was convicted of insurrection, sedition or treason. Political prisoners all soon to be released.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Political prisoners all soon to be released.

moron

 

[TornadoHawk93]

4 years ago the Constitution was under attack on this day. For 4 years Americans were lied to by Trump and MAGAs about how the election was stolen from him. Of course, nothing but lies, blather and bullshit but “noise” nonetheless. Today America will witness first hand how a democracy is supposed to work. A peaceful and non-violent transfer of power will take place early this afternoon.
It’s not because Democrats agree with Republicans and Trump in how the country needs to be run. It will happen because Democrats, as a Party, love the concept of our American style of democracy.

We all know what would have happened if Trump had lost the election last November. We have observed how he/they react to adversity almost daily for the past 4 years.

Go to your safe space.

 

[ThorneStockton]

I'd argue what happened after 1/6 is a much worse reflection on our country. Sure, what Trump did on 1/6 was unprecedented and reprehensible - but that's par for Trump - and sure thousands of his devoted followers created chaos and a memorable scene. But the worst is the white washing, revisionist history, gaslighting, conspiracies, carried out by GOP leadership and their media partners.... and it worked!


- GOP senators took the easy way out, they could have been rid of Trump if only a portion of them had a ounce of decency. But they figured Trump was cooked either way, no way is he coming back. Of course we now know they completely overestimated the decency of their base.

- GOP congress who did vote for impeachment/conviction have been ran out of the party and marked as disloyal. Purging them may not have been enough, lock em up!

- All the conspiracies and story changing: peaceful tourists, FBI plants, the police let them in! Deep State actors! Wait, no it was antifa! Actually Nancy Pelosi set it all up!

Shortly after the insurrection a YouGov poll found that most Republicans believed that 1/6 reflected "legitimate political discourse". I doubt it's any better now, they don't know actual reality, just like a majority of them still believe Biden stole the election in 2020 and that Trump won.

The GOP base is especially vulnerable to these things, and the GOP leadership and strategists prey on them.

- Martyrdom: like most things MAGA, there's a victimhood angle. Ashli Babbitt was a martyr! The others are political prisoners, hostages, PATRIOTS!

And just look at this board. The less-moran ones will at least try to change the subject, but the rest, carry the water.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

In.

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

4 years ago the Constitution was under attack on this day. For 4 years Americans were lied to by Trump and MAGAs about how the election was stolen from him. Of course, nothing but lies, blather and bullshit but “noise” nonetheless. Today America will witness first hand how a democracy is supposed to work. A peaceful and non-violent transfer of power will take place early this afternoon.
It’s not because Democrats agree with Republicans and Trump in how the country needs to be run. It will happen because Democrats, as a Party, love the concept of our American style of democracy.

We all know what would have happened if Trump had lost the election last November. We have observed how he/they react to adversity almost daily for the past 4 years.

Shut your face.

 

[joelbc1]

Shut your face.

😌😅

 

[Hawked]

Eh, just like Olympic swimming I only care about insurrection every 4 years.

 

[joelbc1]

Go to your safe space.

Is there such a place?

 

[JimStarr777]

Were they “burned down” as you said? Which federal buildings in Portland and Minneapolis were burned down?

Sorry. “Set afire”. That probably makes it okay, right?

Pretty poor hill to stand on, buddy.

 

[JimStarr777]

Trump's America

Umm…that was far from Trump’s America.

 

[stickman80]

Nice work on the OPs new avatar.

No offense but they beat the hole in your head.

 

[joelbc1]

Sorry. “Set afire”. That probably makes it okay, right?

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between the 2 statements you made….≥as Rush always said….”Words mean things!” I don’t defend either action…..you deflect and dilute the riot/raid/assault on the Capitol with other (and unrelated) crimes. The 1/6 actions interfered with an official act of the Constitution…..and that by definition is TREASON. The burning of FGederal Buildings is certainly ly against the law and those who participated should be charged/tried…..but they are NOT guilty of TREASON against the United States of America.

 

[joelbc1]

Umm…that was far from Trump’s America.

How so Jim? Trump orchestrated the whole dame thing….from organizing the troops to DC, to whipping them into a frenzy…and then (lying to them) saying he would meet them at the Capitol! Pretty much “Trump’s America”…..

 

[JimStarr777]

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between the 2 statements you made….≥as Rush always said….”Words mean things!” I don’t defend either action…..you deflect and dilute the riot/raid/assault on the Capitol with other (and unrelated) crimes. The 1/6 actions interfered with an official act of the Constitution…..and that by definition is TREASON. The burning of FGederal Buildings is certainly ly against the law and those who participated should be charged/tried…..but they are NOT guilty of TREASON against the United States of America.

Bullsh*t. You’re making excuses now. The fact is federal building were set afire and even if the entire building did not burn down, things in the building certainly did. Accept what happened. Summer of love!!

 

[JimStarr777]

How so Jim? Trump orchestrated the whole dame thing….from organizing the troops to DC, to whipping them into a frenzy…and then (lying to them) saying he would meet them at the Capitol! Pretty much “Trump’s America”…..

Umm…try to follow along.

This is what he was responding to. You lose again.

Happy Insurrection Day!

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[hexumhawk]

Obvious that people that committed actual violence should be held accountable. Also obvious that the feds had major influence on what happened that day. Both can be true at the same time.

 

[joelbc1]

Bullsh*t. You’re making excuses now. The fact is federal building were set afire and even if the entire building did not burn down, things in the building certain did. Accept what happened. Summer of love!!

Im not making excuses for anyone/ I am saying your boys and trump participated in TREASON against the Constitution with their Insurrection on 1/6……I agree those who participated should”burned down” federal Buildings in Portland and Minneapolis should face their consequences for their action…….and I am saying they broke the law…….I am also saying that those who invaded, raided, destroyed and sec\structed rthe Capitol on 1/6 committed TREASON against the UN tied States by interfering with an official function of the government. There is a difference.

 

[DeangeloVickers]

I get what your saying, but if someone keeps egging me on to go rob a liquor store and I cave and do so, the actions of the instigator don't absolve me of my actions. I'm an adult responsible for the decisions I make and decisions have consequences.

It isn't about absolving anything, it's about getting answers as to why federal agents were encouraging and helping people get into the capital. In your liquor store example it would be a cop encouraging you to do so under direction of the police department.
Everyone should want to know the why and whos behind the federal influence on 1/6. Hopefully we find out.

 

[TornadoHawk93]

Is there such a place?

Probably not for you. It's best if you just stay locked in your room to be sure. T&P