Has anyone heard

[Scott559]

How our red shirt players are looking in practice? I remember last year hearing some comments out of the badger camp on how well Happ was looking in practice during his redshirt year, Just wondering if anyone has heard anything in regard to either of our players.

 

[Suterman]

I have heard that Moss is going to be hard to keep out of the starting line up next year and that he is going to be a monster. Haven't heard anything else.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Bump. If Moss is that good, does Pete go back to 2 with Moss at the 3? I believe Baer will get starter's minutes at 3/4 and there are other talented wings... It should be interesting.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Good to hear. We are going to need some scoring to replace what we are losing and Moss looks like a guy who can create his own points. Next year is going to be a wild roller coaster ride.

 

[RocknRollface]

Redshirting Moss may have been a mistake vs Williams and Fleming.

Moss had by far the most impressive highlight videos of the 4 wing freshman.

This team is really starting to look like they need another guard to lighten the starters load and apparently it's not any of the 3 available on the bench.

 

[Scott559]

Redshirting Moss may have been a mistake vs Williams and Fleming.

Moss had by far the most impressive highlight videos of the 4 wing freshman.

This team is really starting to look like they need another guard to lighten the starters load and apparently it's not any of the 3 available on the bench.

I can't help but wonder if Moss being red shirted was more a move to let him get acclimated academically vs work needed on the court.

 

[SJeagleEye]

Moss was supposed to be the highest ceiling player talent wise, in this recruiting class if I remember correctly. Followed by Fleming and Wagner. Hutton probably ranked the lowest. Still surprised Fleming hasn't been able to get on the floor more this year.

 

[RocknRollface]

Moss was supposed to be the highest ceiling player talent wise, in this recruiting class if I remember correctly. Followed by Fleming and Wagner. Hutton probably ranked the lowest. Still surprised Fleming hasn't been able to get on the floor more this year.

I don't think there was a big difference between any of their rankings but Williams was the lowest. Pretty sure a couple places had Hutton as a 4*.

 

[RocknRollface]

I can't help but wonder if Moss being red shirted was more a move to let him get acclimated academically vs work needed on the court.

Yeah I think that was the main factor but it still may have not have been the best move.

Who knows.

 

[SJeagleEye]

Haha, forgot about Williams!

Man, big class. Probably see a bit of everything from it. Get a superstar or two, 1 or 2 that won't live up the expectation, and probably a transfer.

Kind of like my brother having 9 children, gonna see a bit of everything. One might be the next president, 1 or 2 will probably be in jail. ha

 

[pocha444444]

Bump. If Moss is that good, does Pete go back to 2 with Moss at the 3? I believe Baer will get starter's minutes at 3/4 and there are other talented wings... It should be interesting.

2 or 3 doesn't really matter, they are both wings.

 

[KeyWest Tim]

Redshirting Moss may have been a mistake vs Williams and Fleming.

Moss had by far the most impressive highlight videos of the 4 wing freshman.

This team is really starting to look like they need another guard to lighten the starters load and apparently it's not any of the 3 available on the bench.

The way I look at it... What player/s would you rather have available to start for a full 4 years?

Plus... A full year of intergration and weight training?

I like the way things are set up now for next year.

I hope we add 2 more redshirts next year.

 

[TheHawkeyeDudeAbides]

Bump. If Moss is that good, does Pete go back to 2 with Moss at the 3? I believe Baer will get starter's minutes at 3/4 and there are other talented wings... It should be interesting.

Peter Jok really does not have the ball handling skill set to be a 2. A two or three dribble drive to the basket is about a safe drive as one can expect out of Jok. He tends to get stripped of the ball on long possessions. Moss played a lot of point and 2 guard at Chicago Simeon. Moss has more talent than NW's Scottie Lindsey, IMO. The starting guard positions will be up for grabs next year. Especially the shooting (2) guard. Iowa needs a starting shooting guard who can average about 12 points a game. Eventually, I see Connor McCaffery coming to play the shooting guard spot as his natural position. Obviously, his first two years he will be the back up but he will help act like a coach on the floor. I know someone will say that Connor is a point guard but watch his videos again. He dribbles the ball higher and he is not elite fast. His passing skills and left hand shooting and lean body frame (6'5" speaks shooting guard to me.

I may be in the minority here but I don't see Baer as a starter next year. Kinda like a Bill Jones/ Ryan Bowen model. Baer should increase his minutes next year and be one of the first guy off the bench but he needs about 15 pounds of more muscle size on his 6'7" frame. Love his effort and hustle, though. More 3 pointers next year.

My projected Iowa MBB lineup (Start/Subs):

PG Williams/ Bohannon
SG Moss/Fleming/Ellingson
SF Jok/Baer/ Hutton
PF Jones/Uhl (Jones had better shooting touch and consistency than Uhl before injury)
C Wagner/ Cook (Potential Draw)

Pemsl most likely redshirts and Kriener might as well if Wagner improves offensive skills.If Jones does not make a solid recovery, Uhl and Wagner via for the PF spot and Kriener spells Cook. Pemsl needs time to make sure he returns to top 100 form.

Again the tender spot next year will be the SG spot. Off season battles may trigger movements.

 

[ottawahawk]

The way I look at it... What player/s would you rather have available to start for a full 4 years?

Plus... A full year of intergration and weight training?

I like the way things are set up now for next year.

I hope we add 2 more redshirts next year.

Isaiah Moss has added about 20 pounds of muscle to his frame since he arrived in Iowa City--he will be an important part of the Hawkeyes next year.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I understand that Cook is our most highly regarded recruit, but I am not sure why everyone seems to dismiss Kriener and Pemsl. They aren't as explosive, but from the little I have seen, Cook is less skilled offensively. I am not saying that I know much, but I think minutes at the 4 and 5 might be more of a battle than most are assuming. I think Jok is the only sure fire 30+ min player. All other minutes will be very competitive.

 

[SJeagleEye]

I don't think Pemsl redshirts as his body is the most B1G ready right now.

Kriener will probably redshirt tho, unless we just HAVE to have him try to help fill in for Woody's absence right away.

btw, new to this board. It's fun, a lot of good conversation going on here.

 

[mazda1]

Thanks for the post on the Moss weight gain. If he has the strength to play in the B1G I think his offensive skills are there. Williams could use some strength as well.

I could see Jok, Jones (if healthy/ Uhl/Baer), Wagner/Cook, ? at the point, and Moss/Ellingson at the two. Jok to likely see some time at the two too.

I think it might be the worst defensive team in the league, but the talent is there to develop for 17-18.

 

[DanL53]

I'll continue to stand by Williams and say that Iowa fans will be delighted he is our point guard next year. As to rankings, it depends on who you look at but Williams was not entirely low ranked.

The only surprise I've had this year is that Flemings hasn't worked his way into quite a few minutes. But, that is the risk one takes in guessing at future results of freshmen.

 

[DanL53]

I don't think Pemsl redshirts as his body is the most B1G ready right now.

Kriener will probably redshirt tho, unless we just HAVE to have him try to help fill in for Woody's absence right away.

btw, new to this board. It's fun, a lot of good conversation going on here.

Welcome to the board! I hope you continue to enjoy the reads and conversations.

 

[RocknRollface]

The way I look at it... What player/s would you rather have available to start for a full 4 years?

Plus... A full year of intergration and weight training?

I like the way things are set up now for next year.

I hope we add 2 more redshirts next year.

That may well be whats best in the long run, but the flip side is how often is Iowa going to be in the position it finds itself in this year.

A 3 seed in the dance at worst with a field as wide open as anyone can remember.

Would be really nice to have another legit ballhandler.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I don't think Pemsl redshirts as his body is the most B1G ready right now.

Kriener will probably redshirt tho, unless we just HAVE to have him try to help fill in for Woody's absence right away.

btw, new to this board. It's fun, a lot of good conversation going on here.

Welcome. You just gotta watch which threads you open, or you might change your thoughts.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

We have a legit ball handler in Williams, but Fran doesn't appear to want to live with Freshman mistakes with this team. I wish he would but understand and can't blame him as he is the one that knows much better than I do his players and team and also gets the accolades or blame fir whatever happens.

 

[Suterman]

Williams is clearly not ready for the bright lights. Fran would have loved to play him more but he just looks lost out there. He can still be a partial answer next fall but he has a long ways to go.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Yeah I think that was the main factor but it still may have not have been the best move.

Who knows.

Trust Fran

 

[Mohawkeye]

I don't think Pemsl redshirts as his body is the most B1G ready right now.

Kriener will probably redshirt tho, unless we just HAVE to have him try to help fill in for Woody's absence right away.

btw, new to this board. It's fun, a lot of good conversation going on here.

Fortunately, I think Cook's physique is even more Big ready. He is already 240 lbs and no fat, whereas Pemsl carries a little bad weight. But I agree, Pemsl may be too good to redshirt. FWIW, I think Kreiner is built pretty well too. None of them are sticks.

 

[Suterman]

So let's see how many question marks we have next year.

Williams
Moss
Hutton
Fleming
Pemsl
Kriener
Bohannon
Jones
Cook

Lots of young, inexperienced talent.

 

[Quintana]

I don't think Pemsl redshirts as his body is the most B1G ready right now.

Kriener will probably redshirt tho, unless we just HAVE to have him try to help fill in for Woody's absence right away.

btw, new to this board. It's fun, a lot of good conversation going on here.

you may very well be right that Pemsl doesn't redshirt, but i dont think it will be due to his physical maturity versus the other incoming freshmen. i like Cordell's skillset but Tyler Cook is the most physically developed young man we've had come into the program since i dont know when. dude has tree trunks for legs.

if we KNEW that there would be a redshirt next year, i would bet on Pemsl. one; for his health and two; the other 3 coming in fill more immediate needs. just my opinion.

 

[fivecardstud14]

Williams is clearly not ready for the bright lights. Fran would have loved to play him more but he just looks lost out there. He can still be a partial answer next fall but he has a long ways to go.

But Fleming is? I don't understand the obsession with Fleming people seem to be having.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Williams is clearly not ready for the bright lights. Fran would have loved to play him more but he just looks lost out there. He can still be a partial answer next fall but he has a long ways to go.

Suterman, is that based on some inside info or just your fan observations? Just curious.

 

[DanHawkPella]

Definitely looks like a decent offensive team next year that will struggle on defense.

Williams, Moss, Jok, Uhl, Cook would be a pretty long, athletic team. Wagner, Baer, Ellingson, Fleming, Hutton, Pemsl, Bohannon, Kreiner....that's a pretty young but talented lineup. Can't really say that any of them don't belong.

Bohannon will help stretch the court out more on offense.
Pemsl can bring some low block scoring but needs to refine his body a bit.
Kreiner is more athletic than people think, just needs to refine the mental part of his game.

I think the team will be fun to watch and could surprise later in the year, we just need to keep our expectations reasonable. They would have an outside chance of making the NCAA's but I don't think anyone would bet on it.

 

[IaHawk44]

I don't think there was a big difference between any of their rankings but Williams was the lowest. Pretty sure a couple places had Hutton as a 4*.

Hutton was also offered by Wisconsin and West Virginia.

 

[crHawkeye92]

But Fleming is? I don't understand the obsession with Fleming people seem to be having.

I don't know what you're getting at. Williams sees more time than Fleming.

 

[Suterman]

Of course Fran would like to be playing some different guards. Ellingson has been the best of the lot and Fran did not play him the last game. Williams and Fleming have both looked lost in limited playing time and I think we can all see that. Now is not the time to be trying new rotations.

 

[relishingwinning18]

I don't know what you're getting at. Williams sees more time than Fleming.

I was just going to say the same thing, Fleming isn't playing at all either.

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

These young players will have an opportunity to grow together just like the Seniors this year. We're probably an NIT team next year unless we play solid D and we make other teams pay for concentrating on Jok.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

I know this is getting way way ahead of Iowa basketball , but does anyone know for sure if there is a Euro Trip, next year?

 

[DanL53]

Random thoughts, responses.

1) Good thread.
2) I really like it when posters specifically state what they consider a down year. Half the time I even agree with them.
3) The unknown isn't always bad.
4) Recruit, retain, develop. We've got ten guys coming back next season if no one transfers. We are not starting entirely over.
5) I remember Clemmons as a sophomore, he had a tough year. Young guys often have tough years.

I will take a year of watching a young team put things together without complaint when it happens once every several years.

 

[StormHawk42]

I think people are a bit quick to dismiss Hutton (actually been saying that since he got on campus). If he fulfills his defensive hype, he will see time. The team is going to struggle mightily defensively, so if we have a 6'5 freshman who can be a bulldog defender, I say he plays.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

I feel next year's Iowa basketball team will be flirting with a record similar to Michigan's this year. Athletic with good shooters but have spurts where either offense goes cold, poor movement, or we lack coordination on defense( much more likely). Hopefully they are playing like a team by the B1G and learning to trust on D.

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[Suterman]

There are just so many question marks next year. We have 8 guys that we really know very little about and 2 or 3 of them are going to need to come up pretty big. The thought of Dom being a go to guy next year scares me a little bit.