Hawaii has a big problem piling up....

[The Tradition]

HONOLULU (KITV4) -- It's a problem that's really piling up... literally. At salvage yards across the islands, collections of dead batteries from electric vehicles are growing because there's nowhere else to send them.

Batteries from EVs can be recycled and repurposed, but in Hawaii it's not that simple.

"Because there's no place to recycle on the island and, and to get them off the island, it costs a lot of money per battery," explained Rob Oakley, a Kalihi Valley resident who's been in the auto repair and restoration business for over 30 years. "There's shipping restrictions, there's lithium ion batteries, there's fire hazards. They have special shipping containers that they got to be in, be in. So, you know, it costs a lot of money to get those batteries off the island and nobody wants to pay for it."

As these EV batteries accumulate, so do the collections of lithium, nickel, arsenic, and other toxic compounds. Oakley knows that should be a worry for all of us.

"The fire and the safety for our, for our islands. If these cells end up in the landfills, they break down, they catch fire. You can't put out a landfill fire. The islands are pretty much unlivable if that happens."

Dead Batteries From Electric Vehicles In Hawaii Find Dead Ends

HONOLULU (KITV4) -- It's a problem that's really piling up.. literally. At salvage yards across the islands, collections of dead batteries from electric vehicles are growing because there's nowhere else

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[IMCC965]

Aaaahhhhhhhhh, green energy is so clean.

 

[jawatkins]

Aaaahhhhhhhhh, green energy is so clean.

Batteries aren’t green energy. They’re storage.

 

[Huey Grey]

Aaaahhhhhhhhh, green energy is so clean.

Because ICEs are so clean.

 

[ironside1]

If they can’t be recycled or moved off the island then why are they allowed?

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Anyone want to start up a battery recycling plant in beautiful Hawaii with me?

 

[jawatkins]

If they can’t be recycled or moved off the island then why are they allowed?

If there isn’t money to move it they should restrict it all until it can be done. Electric is more efficient but you’ve got to use common sense

 

[onlyTheObvious]

I read an article where the salvage yard said he didn’t know what to do with EITHER battery he took from totaled Teslas.

The definition of “pile of” is debatable.

 

[Jan Itor]

If they can’t be recycled or moved off the island then why are they allowed?

Democrat run?

 

[ironside1]

Democrat run?

Possibly

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Just throw them in the ocean. No one will notice. Blame it on Japan if caught. Problem solved.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

The answer is simple, and especially practical in a spot like Hawaii.

Old Nissan LEAF Batteries Being Used For Grid-Scale Storage In California - CleanTechnica

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It takes a LOT more energy to power a car than a refrigerator, lamp, or AC unit. Car batteries can be repurposed for another decade+ as grid storage before needing to go to the recycling plant.

 

[jawatkins]

The answer is simple, and especially practical in a spot like Hawaii.

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It takes a LOT more energy to power a car than a refrigerator, lamp, or AC unit. Car batteries can be repurposed for another decade+ as grid storage before needing to go to the recycling plant.

Electric still more efficient than fuel combustion

 

[Urohawk]

How do they manage used tires on the island? Ask that guy if he wants to expand his business.

 

[lucas80]

Aaaahhhhhhhhh, green energy is so clean.

Nailed it. EVs should be outlawed. Just to be safe we should go back to whale oil lamps, too.

 

[93hawkeye]

I blame Trump or DeSantis, or both. Indictments, please!

 

[Chishawk1425]

I blame Trump or DeSantis, or both. Indictments, please!

 

[ChrisVarick]

How do they manage used tires on the island? Ask that guy if he wants to expand his business.

There are a lot of options for shredding used tires. Not so many options for massive used batteries.

 

[BioHawk]

Sounds like a business opportunity to me.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Sounds like a business opportunity to me.

 

[Joes Place]

"We need to move the island"

 

[DBQStarHawk]

Anyone want to start up a battery recycling plant in beautiful Hawaii with me?

I’m in. We can use my disabled vet status and get some gov’t battery contracts. You can pay me in Mai Tais

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

They have 26,000 EVs sold to date. As of four years ago that figure was only 9,000.

My model S just turned 8 years old and the batteries are going strong. Doing the math Hawaii should have very few dead batteries. This will eventually be an issue and someone should start a recycling business. But this is nowhere close to a major problem and won’t be for a few years. Plenty of time for an entrepreneur to crack open the market for recycling.

Hawaii EV adoption

 

[IMCC965]

Nailed it. EVs should be outlawed. Just to be safe we should go back to whale oil lamps, too.

The supply/construction chain for an EV is HORRIBLE. Child labor, strip mining, corruption, the inability to recycle a majority of materials, not to mention it cost just the same, if not more, to maintain the vehicle itself.

But keep on pushing the false narrative they're goof for the environment.

 

[IMCC965]

If they can’t be recycled or moved off the island then why are they allowed?

Because it makes them FEEL good.

 

[Joes Place]

The supply/construction chain for an EV is HORRIBLE. Child labor, strip mining, corruption, the inability to recycle a majority of materials

Not any better for fossil fuels and fossil fuel vehicles, Cletus.

 

[billanole]

The supply/construction chain for an EV is HORRIBLE. Child labor, strip mining, corruption, the inability to recycle a majority of materials, not to mention it cost just the same, if not more, to maintain the vehicle itself.

But keep on pushing the false narrative they're goof for the environment.

Tell us about how clean the fossil fuel world is on the islands. Any waste or EPA super funds sites YET?
You clowns never talk about petro waste from beginning to end.

 

[billanole]

There are a lot of options for shredding used tires. Not so many options for massive used batteries.

Like, what is done with shredded tires?,

 

[Joes Place]

There are a lot of options for shredding used tires. Not so many options for massive used batteries.

FALSE

They can be used for stationary in-ground electrical storage as buffers for wind/solar variation.

 

[fsu1jreed]

Like, what is done with shredded tires?,

I've seen where it can be used to resurface road

 

[Chuck C]

Throw them in a volcano, problem solved.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Time to start putting those volcanoes to use.........

 

[torbee]

Batteries from EVs can be recycled and repurposed,

So an an easily solvable problem by building a recycling center.

Not much of a story.

 

[torbee]

If they can’t be recycled or moved off the island then why are they allowed?

They can be recycled.

 

[The Tradition]

So an an easily solvable problem by building a recycling center.

Not much of a story.

In case you didn't know, Hawaii is a chain of islands. So, you'd need a several recycling centers on each of the populated islands to avoid the crazy shipping costs.

And there will probably not be enough scale to do that on every island for a long, long time.

Meanwhile... leaky, nasty, toxic, spontaneously-combustible batteries will be rotting in junk yards waiting for this to happen.

 

[Joes Place]

In case you didn't know, Hawaii is a chain of islands. So, you'd need a several recycling centers on each of the populated islands to avoid the crazy shipping costs.

How do they overcome these "crazy shipping costs" to get batteries to the islands in the first place?

 

[The Tradition]

How do they overcome these "crazy shipping costs" to get batteries to the islands in the first place?

They pay through the nose for everything on Hawaii.

 

[Urohawk]

The supply/construction chain for an EV is HORRIBLE. Child labor, strip mining, corruption, the inability to recycle a majority of materials, not to mention it cost just the same, if not more, to maintain the vehicle itself.

But keep on pushing the false narrative they're goof for the environment.

Yes, oil and gas have a great track record....

 

[lucas80]

The supply/construction chain for an EV is HORRIBLE. Child labor, strip mining, corruption, the inability to recycle a majority of materials, not to mention it cost just the same, if not more, to maintain the vehicle itself.

But keep on pushing the false narrative they're goof for the environment.

Oh, look, recycling solar panels was hard, but then someone worked on the problem. Smart people will find solutions.
Keep on being so angry at the Libs and the world changing around you that you remain ignorant.
https://apnews.com/article/recycle-...stainability-dc7284bab2180b5bd86ff5cb5c847652

 

[lucas80]

Yes, oil and gas have a great track record....

Suck it, Lib. Just accept that he owned you, and then swaggered off in smug satisfaction.