In case nobody had noticed.
Hawks are a damned good football team
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They certainly have the potential to be. Way too early to tell. Just like it's way too early to crucify your coach.
Let's see how the defense does next week against some real wide receivers.
My view is Iowa state is just really horrible. I think miamiOH was a better team than ISU. Could have been the difference in having Josey Jewell all game on D.
NDSU should be more of a test.
NDSU should be more of a test.
I don't know how horrible ISU is. I know ISU looks like a Chinese fire drill at times (is one still allowed to use that phrase?) and the lack of organization is very troubling to this fan. Nineteen penalties in 2 games, and a majority of them were the WTF variety. Also, terrible clock management at the end of the half in both games. This is particularly troubling because one of the positive aspects of the new staff was that it had been together for several years.
We knew the OL was going to be a problem, and Lanning is limited and inexperienced. Hawks showed up all the weaknesses. Cyclones have some good players and have made some good plays, but they didn't belong on the same field as the Hawks last night. Same will be true next week at TCU.
I also don't think anybody should underestimate how well Iowa played in some phases of the game last night, particularly the passing game. After the first two possessions, ISU generally had good, even excellent coverage. It didn't make any difference. Beathard was throwing perfect balls and VBG was making great grabs.
Unfortunately for ISU (and me), several QBs yet to come might be even more difficult to defend.
Gonna be a long season.
Thanks LC. It's always hard to judge early season games. Iowa looked much better last night than the week before. Rinning game looks great and CJ is throwing very well. He hasn't even had to use his feet, which is another big weapon. Iowa looks to have the pieces, but we won't know until we get onto the thick og the Big 10 season.
I know isu OL isn't much but through 2 games I just don't understand why warren has so few touches. Be interesting how qb situation goes for them this year but I suppose this has been story for them last 5-6 years. And for iowas sake hope Lazard leaves a year early not a fan of the guy but think he will be playing in the NFL in a year or 2.
IMHO, this team is better at this point than last year's team, which was still finding itself in the early season. Then I think back to last week and realize it's easy to under- and over-enthuse after individual games against less than top-flight competition. This was an impressive performance, certainly, but last week was not impressive so what does that mean? In the end, it's only one game. How will they look against real competition in the form of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nebraska, for instance? Call me cautiously optimistic.
I think Iowa state can be a good team, they just didn't transition well with their new coach. ISU was not bad last year, they were just terrible at finishing games and rhoads/whoever could not call the right plays in 4th qtr. They certainly took a step back this year from last year by quite a bit. They looked average against many teams they played which is so much better than what we have seen this year. obviously give a coach time and such, but if they don't start figuring it out ISU will waste all four years of one of their best players ever in Lazard
Considering the OP was among was among the many wayward isu posters that were here just about one year ago now to tell everyone how lowly Iowa was the second or third worst team that isu would face in 2015, I'll mark this one as LC just posting to be posting (what he obviously does 'best').
I also noticed that ISU was keeping guys up in the box to keep CJ from scrambling. Not a lot of scrambling room for him last night, though, as you mentioned, we didn't need it.
One thing I hadn't realized was how much turnover there is. Lazard was the only offensive player who started against Iowa last year and this year, and only four defensive players started both games.
Don't feel sorry for Lazard. It's not like he'd never heard of Iowa State until he got some kind of dazzling recruiting pitch from a handsome stranger. He knew he would play for better teams if he went elsewhere.
I'll be interested to see how TCU does against State next week just for comparison's sake.
Yeah I don't feel bad for lazard.. he got to play at his dream school and knew Iowa state better than most recruits.. if anything I feel bad for isu/fans that this great player came at a bad time .. I don't feel that bad
Yeah I don't feel bad for lazard.. he got to play at his dream school and knew Iowa state better than most recruits.. if anything I feel bad for isu/fans that this great player came at a bad time .. I don't feel that bad
Can you imagine Tim Dwight on that 1999 team?
I believe its Far East disaster preparedness practice, now.
I agree. Reminds me of what Ferentz said in the offseason, that this year's team might be better than last year's but that doesn't mean it will go undefeated. Wisconsin and Nebraska seem to be improved and this year Iowa plays Michigan. But so far the Iowa offense looks incredibly improved from last year. The defense from last year might have been better, though--losing Fisher and Lomax, in particular, could show up against the big boys.
Agree with most of this, however; I honestly don't think you will see a better QB this year....especially one with a potent 1-2 punch and a dominating OL/TE to keep things balanced. I think ISU will match up better to a one-dimensional spread team in the Big 12, not to mention you will put up many more points
If they get some serviceable linemen, I think they will be alright. The kid from Waterloo coming in next year I think will be a HUGE addition. The kid has a very strong arm and is mobile. His problem is, he likes to throw it rather than run it. I have watched him play several times and he looks like a solid QB. He might need a RS year to bulk up a little, but he has the arm and speed to be a good Div 1 QB.
ISU has a first year coach! I'm sure everyone remembers Iowa's first two years under Kirk?
Iowa looked really bad in Kirk's first year. I don't understand what people expect of Campbell this year? A .500 team? I think if ISU wins 3 games this year it would be a success.
Several QBs? I dont see a QB on ISU remaining schedule that is head and shoulders above CJ. Unless you are saying teams like TT that spread it out and pass for 300 to 400 yards a game?
Think problem was many clown fans drank the Campbell kool aid Pollard was serving them this summer and thought they could get to that magical 6 wins for them and get to a bowl game. Plus there was the hype of their offensive trio which even ESPN listed as top 20 in nation with Lazard, Warren and Lanning. Problem is you need an OL to block, which they obviously don't have. And many people ignored the issue with Lanning's accuracy he showed at times last season which has killed them in the first 2 games. All summer heard about how good he was and a great leader and now 2 games in to the season the annual fall tradition of the back up QB coming in and being the next savior begins but this time it has begun in September.
Lone Clone, you are crazy if you think you'll see a better QB this year than CJ Beathard. Especially with the weapons milehigh mentions above. No way.
A lot of that has to do with Campbell running guys out of town. Maybe it was the right decision for the long term.
From a pure talent standpoint, perhaps. I would guess, however, that the QB's from Texas and Mayfield from Oklahoma will put up huge numbers on ISU. Cyclones just don't believe they can beat Oklahoma, and a lot of guys on Texas' roster have lost to ISU recently.
With the lack of depth on the Cyclones this year, I think the bottom has yet to be hit for them. There were some fundamental things that needed to be changed in their program, and going through that will be painful.
The 1st team is close to last year's squad (TBD how good they truly are), but I fear Iowa is not nearly as deep overall. Better talent across the squad, just a lack of experienced depth overall.
Last year, a guy got hurt, Next Man In provided an almost level amount of production overall. I'm curious to see if that's the case in the latter half of this year, for I believe that will decide ultimately how good Iowa truly is for 2016.
We're gonna need some of these kids to step up big.
ISU will get better...but I don't think it happens till later in the year 2017. Clone fans must be very patient...it's a total rebuild of talent combined with a learning curve for the coaches given the higher level of opponents they'll coach against. Meanwhile, it would not surprise me ISU has some games where they get historically crushed this year. They could lose every game.
Last year, a guy got hurt, Next Man In provided an almost level amount of production overall. I'm curious to see if that's the case in the latter half of this year, for I believe that will decide ultimately how good Iowa truly is for 2016.
We're gonna need some of these kids to step up big.
ISU will get better...but I don't think it happens till later in the year 2017. Clone fans must be very patient...it's a total rebuild of talent combined with a learning curve for the coaches given the higher level of opponents they'll coach against. Meanwhile, it would not surprise me ISU has some games where they get historically crushed this year. They could lose every game.
