Hawks are off to a great start in first two games! I agree with you on the injury thing.
Would like to see a 2nd WR,TE, DT, CB develop. Just in case Vandeberg, Kittle, Jewell, Johnson, or King get hurt. Also for continuity for next years team.
Hawks are a damned good football team
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Would like to see a 2nd WR,TE, DT, CB develop. Just in case Vandeberg, Kittle, Jewell, Johnson, or King get hurt. Also for continuity for next years team.
After a rewatch...it was shocking to me how bad ISU was at literally every aspect of the game at every position group. The coaching staff made fundamental errors in preparation, the DBs (a area of strength) gave up 2 touchdowns on blown coverages, the D line was woefully overpowered and out -techniqued nearly every snap, the QB made too many bad throws, the RB (another area of strength) had bad vision and execution, OL...on and on and on. There is a metric crap TON of work that needs to be done within that program, and I just don't see a positive outcome, frankly, ever. This program will be in the MAC or non-existent (and not just figuratively) within 10 years.
The difference is Hayden left the cupboard completely bare. I understand Matt Campbell didn't inherit a team with a winning tradition, but the talent at Iowa State right now vs. the talent Ferentz started out with in 1999 is apples and oranges.
Among the players on KF's first team (1999).
Matt Bowen - drafted and played in NFL for 6 years
Aaron Kampman - drafted and 10 year NFL career
Austin Wheatley - drafted and played in NFL for 3 years
Ladell Betts - 2nd round pick and played in NFL for 8 years
Kevin Kasper - 6th round pick in 2001 and played in NFL for 6 years
Zeron Flemister - played parts of 4 seasons for 3 teams in the NFL
Eric Steinbach - played in NFL for 10 years, 2nd round pick
Bruce Nelson - 2nd round pick, limited to 2 seasons due to injury.
Robert Gallery (redshirted) - first round pick, Outland Award winner
Dallas Clark (didn't play in 1999)
Levar Woods - undrafted bu made the Arizona Cardinals and played in NFL for 7 years
Colin Cole - undrafted but played in NFL for 12 seasons
Kahlil Hill - suspended for 1999 season but ended up being 6th round pick of the Falcons. Played mostly in Canadian Football League.
I could be leaving someone out. Point is there was talent on the team, but the majority of the future NFL players were underclassmen in 1999. Guys like Gallery (redshirting), Steinbach, Nelson, Cole, etc. were all thrown in before physically ready. I don't think there are anywhere near 13 future NFL players on the Iowa State roster. This also points out that at developmental programs (which Iowa is and Iowa State would aspire to be), there is a period of poor performance during a coaching change. It takes time for a new culture to be created.
Hayden's final years did suffer from some inconsistent recruiting, but never got to the dumpster fire that is Iowa State football. Who are the future pros on the Iowa State roster? Lazard. Tucker, maybe. Who else? ISU fans will tout Warren but nothing about his performance this year screams NFL player. They will also tout their secondary. Perhaps, but again no one in their secondary is a sure-fire pick like King.
Lol. Yes, you forgot Jason Baker the punter.
Gee, my memory is really bad. Some of those names I had completely forgotten about. Perhaps that lapse in memory was purposeful because of how bad Iowa was at that time. But yes, I agree a lot of those guys got thrown in well before they were ready. I remember in 2001 being grateful that Ladell Betts got to experience a bowl game.
But your point is well taken. I stand corrected.
This. ISU should be in the Mountain West in 5 years or so. Where they'll struggle to compete.
I knew this post was coming. I dont think the talent comparison is apples to oranges. More like a Jonagold to a Granny Smith.
Some thoughts on ISU:
Can not really judge ISU till sample size is larger.
Clean up pre-snap penalties and hit those short roll outs (take what is given).
Next thing you know, ISU gains a little confidence and things look brighter.
It appears Campbell is able to recruit well.
The challenge will be to keep the team positive while developing in the system
I think they may need to dial the play book down a bit so as to not think too much which would lead to playing faster and more instinctive.
Can not really judge ISU till sample size is larger.
Clean up pre-snap penalties and hit those short roll outs (take what is given).
Next thing you know, ISU gains a little confidence and things look brighter.
It appears Campbell is able to recruit well.
The challenge will be to keep the team positive while developing in the system
I think they may need to dial the play book down a bit so as to not think too much which would lead to playing faster and more instinctive.
Yeah, another poster already proved me wrong. In my defense, I consumed an excessive amount of alcohol in those days. And my memory isn't what it used to be.
No problem. I had thought the same thing a few years ago until I went a looked at it. So many of the guys listed were very young in 1999, and on both lines Iowa was rather small and under-sized. The non-conference schedule also included Nebraska (a very good Nebraska team). 99 team was not good, but they did lose a few semi-close games. 7 points to ISU, 7 points to Indiana, 2 points to Northwestern and 4 to Minnesota on last game of the year. Also some beatdowns (49-3 to MSU, 41-11 to OSU, 31-7 to Penn State, 42-7 to Nebraska).
Great post. In another thread I said the ISU coaches have to develop talent. There's no way around it. I know MC might be a good recruiter but already the '17 class is crumbling. They will have to take some lower level kids and coach and develop them up. Like KF has. Then the higher rated guys will come.
Tcu will score more points and so will ISU. It is the no D big 12 after all.
I would agree with this assessment. The coaches that tend to turn around moribund programs in non-recruiting hotbeds (think Wisconsin, Iowa, K-State) do so by developing players at a very high level, not just by out-recruiting everyone. Brewster at Minnesota, Zook at Illinois, Beckman at Illinois all came in focused non-stop on recruiting. Recruiting is super-important, but if you are at Illinois, Minnesota or Iowa, you aren't out-recruiting OSU and Michigan consistently. Just isn't happening. If you are going to beat those teams, you have to be better than them at creating a culture and having guys get a lot better once they are in your program.
Campbell has been around winning basically his whole playing/coaching career. That is a good thing, and why he got a head job at a P5 school. But this is the first place he's gone where he stepped in Day 1 and the talent level was way below his opponents. It's hard to win when the other guy has better players than you, and a lot more of them. He's placed a heavy emphasis on recruiting (who wouldn't), but if he can't get his teams to play disciplined, smart football and to get better it won't matter. Still way too early to pronounce judgment one way or the other. If you are an ISU fan (spare the thought) you are looking for signs of the team getting better and showing some fight. The wins and losses just will not be there in great numbers this year.
With regards to Iowa's year being dependent on how the back-ups play I couldn't agree more. On the positive side we've seen A. Nelson come in and do the job nicely, as did Legrand and Render. I know they didn't play legit power 5 competition, but they're off to a good start. Hockaday was serviceable but was a huge drop-off from Josie.
I think we'll know a lot more about our run defense after this week and we should see some improvements in the secondary IMO too. We all like our starters, but staying healthy is the key to the season.
QB, Tight End, Defensive Tackle, and all Linebackers are areas we can't afford to have key pieces go down. With them we exceed my 9-3 expectations, without them we will bring back the Kirk can't coach crowd.
I think we'll know a lot more about our run defense after this week and we should see some improvements in the secondary IMO too. We all like our starters, but staying healthy is the key to the season.
QB, Tight End, Defensive Tackle, and all Linebackers are areas we can't afford to have key pieces go down. With them we exceed my 9-3 expectations, without them we will bring back the Kirk can't coach crowd.
There are a couple of areas where Iowa can't afford to have guys go down but I think there are some others where they have really good depth. Iowa can't afford to lose Jaleel Johnson or Josey Jewell on defense and they can't afford to lose Kittle and Beathard on offense. I think the dline rotation will be fine once they get Hesse back. I wonder when Wisnieski and Hulett will be back practicing and how long it will be till they get worked in to some games.
Didn't Angerer say Jewell's the player he wanted to be? That's saying a lot in my book.
