Hegseth calls Ukraine’s peace goals ‘unrealistic’ in meeting with allies
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Nice to see that they gave Pete a translated version of a speech that Putin wrote.
On Morning JoMika, Michael McFaul claimed the Russian army has suffered devastating losses and will be willing to allow Ukraine's entry into NATO as a point of discussion.
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In early 2014, Russia first invaded Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula before annexing the region. Russian President Vladimir Putin then launched a larger military conflict with Ukraine in 2022, which remains ongoing.
"A durable peace for Ukraine must include robust security guarantees to ensure that the war will not begin again," Hegseth said Wednesday. "The United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement. Instead, any security guarantee must be backed by capable European and non-European troops."
"If these troops are deployed as peacekeepers to Ukraine at any point, they should be deployed as part of a non-NATO mission and not covered under Article 5. There also must be robust international oversight of the line of contact," he continued. "To be clear, as part of any security guarantee, there will not be U.S. troops deployed to Ukraine."
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"They have tremendously valuable land in terms of rare earth, in terms of oil and gas, in terms of other things. I want to have our money secured because we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars," Trump said about Ukraine. "And, you know, they may make a deal. They may not make a deal. They may be Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday."
"I told them that I want the equivalent, like $500 billion worth of rare earth. And they've essentially agreed to do that. So at least we don't feel stupid. Otherwise, we're stupid," Trump added. "I said to them, we have to, we have to get something. We can't continue to pay this money, you know."
In an interview this week with The Guardian, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said "There are voices which say that Europe could offer security guarantees without the Americans, and I always say no" and that "Security guarantees without America are not real security guarantees."
Hegseth also said he is in Brussels today to "directly and unambiguously express that stark strategic realities prevent the United States from being primarily focused on the security of Europe."
"The United States faces consequential threats to our homeland. We must -- and we are -- focusing on securing our own borders," he said. "We also face a peer competitor in China with the capability and intent to threaten our homeland and core national interests in the Indo-Pacific."
"The U.S. is prioritizing deterring war with China in the Pacific, recognizing the reality of scarcity, and making the resourcing tradeoffs to ensure deterrence does not fail," Hegseth added. "As the United States shifts its attention to these threats, European allies must lead from the front."
Ukraine regaining pre-2014 borders is 'unrealistic objective,' Hegseth says in first NATO visit
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said "returning to Ukraine’s pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective" during his first visit to NATO headquarters.
In early 2014, Russia first invaded Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula before annexing the region. Russian President Vladimir Putin then launched a larger military conflict with Ukraine in 2022, which remains ongoing.
"A durable peace for Ukraine must include robust security guarantees to ensure that the war will not begin again," Hegseth said Wednesday. "The United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement. Instead, any security guarantee must be backed by capable European and non-European troops."
"If these troops are deployed as peacekeepers to Ukraine at any point, they should be deployed as part of a non-NATO mission and not covered under Article 5. There also must be robust international oversight of the line of contact," he continued. "To be clear, as part of any security guarantee, there will not be U.S. troops deployed to Ukraine."
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"They have tremendously valuable land in terms of rare earth, in terms of oil and gas, in terms of other things. I want to have our money secured because we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars," Trump said about Ukraine. "And, you know, they may make a deal. They may not make a deal. They may be Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday."
"I told them that I want the equivalent, like $500 billion worth of rare earth. And they've essentially agreed to do that. So at least we don't feel stupid. Otherwise, we're stupid," Trump added. "I said to them, we have to, we have to get something. We can't continue to pay this money, you know."
In an interview this week with The Guardian, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said "There are voices which say that Europe could offer security guarantees without the Americans, and I always say no" and that "Security guarantees without America are not real security guarantees."
Hegseth also said he is in Brussels today to "directly and unambiguously express that stark strategic realities prevent the United States from being primarily focused on the security of Europe."
"The United States faces consequential threats to our homeland. We must -- and we are -- focusing on securing our own borders," he said. "We also face a peer competitor in China with the capability and intent to threaten our homeland and core national interests in the Indo-Pacific."
"The U.S. is prioritizing deterring war with China in the Pacific, recognizing the reality of scarcity, and making the resourcing tradeoffs to ensure deterrence does not fail," Hegseth added. "As the United States shifts its attention to these threats, European allies must lead from the front."
Ukraine regaining pre-2014 borders is 'unrealistic objective,' Hegseth says in first NATO visit
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said "returning to Ukraine’s pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective" during his first visit to NATO headquarters.www.foxnews.com
Translation: The United States hereby resigns it's primus inter pares standing in the free world.
Pax Americana over. China have at Taiwan, North Korea go ahead and head on South. Russia can take Poland and the Baltics as well as Ukraine.
The US is weak and has no allies.
Hegseth has stated what Ukraine needs to do.
What EXACTLY does Putin concede????
What EXACTLY does Putin concede????
Oooof.
I laughed at first and then I stroked my chin with a great deal of consternation.
The United States is preparing to return cybercrime kingpin Alexander Vinnik to Russian custody as part of an exchange for American Marc Fogel, a U.S. official said Wednesday.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov declined to identify Vinnik but acknowledged earlier Wednesday that a Russian citizen was freed in exchange for Fogel, who had been held in Russian since his arrest in 2021.
US to swap Marc Fogel for Russian cybercrime kingpin Alexander Vinnik: Official
Detained in Russia since 2021, Fogel landed back in the U.S. on Tuesday.
Proving once again, kidnapping works.The United States is preparing to return cybercrime kingpin Alexander Vinnik to Russian custody as part of an exchange for American Marc Fogel, a U.S. official said Wednesday.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov declined to identify Vinnik but acknowledged earlier Wednesday that a Russian citizen was freed in exchange for Fogel, who had been held in Russian since his arrest in 2021.
US to swap Marc Fogel for Russian cybercrime kingpin Alexander Vinnik: Official
Detained in Russia since 2021, Fogel landed back in the U.S. on Tuesday.abcnews.go.com
To be fair, this is not a Republican or Democratic issue. Every President gets slammed when Americans are illegally detained overseas and are not returned.
I think Putin's stooge or Putin's bitch has a better ring to it. The bit about him demanding $500 billion of value back out of Ukraine in charge for protection is a little too on the noise, but not shocking.
Hegseth is a piece of shit who would sell out anybody to get ahead or not get caught doing the bad stuff.
American foreign policy should be for Russia giving up all territory in east of Ukraine. They swept into Crimea in 2014 and established that foothold where there are a lot of ethnic russian types of people. But they crept into the eastern Dombas region and that was really contested by Ukraine.
We need to let the Ukrainians lead their side of any peace talks. But I am afraid **** head trump will want to take charge like he is trying to do in Gaza. Trump is going to really alienate a lot of the middle east even way more than it has been. The King of Jordan agreed to take about 2000 ill gazan kids and trump made it sound like Jordan was agreeing to take a million gazans which they are not. The King of Jordan later said they are not planning to take in a whole bunch of Gazans.
And quite frankly I dont think the American people want us to get involved with holding gaza.
Ok commie, thanks for the info from you butt buddy PUTIN. I didnt think we had putin lovers on this forum, but love the murderer if you want to
