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Hegseth’s visit to U.S. base in Germany met with student walkout
The civil disobedience by dozens of middle-schoolers — and some adults who booed the defense secretary — was aimed at the Trump administration’s rollback of DEI initiatives.
Today at 5:53 p.m. ET


Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is on his first overseas trip since being confirmed by the Senate. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
By Dan Lamothe
BRUSSELS — Dozens of American students at a U.S. military installation in Germany walked out of their middle school on Tuesday as part of protests aimed at an official visit by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, underscoring the scope of disillusionment with the Trump administration’s crackdown on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives.
The students attend Patch Middle School in Stuttgart, Germany, and peacefully walked out of class for nearly an hour, according to three people familiar with the matter and a letter sent to parents by a school administrator. Separately, a small group of adults dressed in civilian clothing — likely parents — gathered outside at Stuttgart and protested within view and earshot of Hegseth’s delegation, booing and chanting “DEI!”, according to video recorded by a reporter traveling with the secretary.
The protests were in response to President Donald Trump’s string of executive orders targeting diversity efforts throughout the U.S. government, directives Hegseth has carried out enthusiastically. Since he took over the Pentagon, Black History Month celebrations and other similar events have been banned and access to select books in Defense Department schools attended by the children of U.S. service members have been restricted. Those moves have drawn criticism from parents and students alike.

A spokesman for Hegseth did not respond to requests for comment about the protests. Last week, the secretary, a former National Guard soldier who rose to prominence as a Fox News personality, proclaimed that he believes “the single-dumbest phrase in military history is, ‘Our diversity is our strength.’”

The school administrator’s letter said that about 1 p.m., roughly 55 students “walked out in protest of recent events.” They exited the school in orderly fashion and gathered in a courtyard outside, said the letter, signed by Alexis Small, an assistant principal.
She added that the Department of Defense Education Activity (DoDEA), which oversees about 67,000 students spread across about 160 schools worldwide, “respects our students’ rights to peacefully express their opinions through speech and other means as long as it is done respectfully, does not interfere with the rights of others, and does not disrupt learning in our school.”
A Pentagon spokesman said he had no information to provide about the issue. Will Griffin, a spokesman for DoDEA, said he had nothing to add to what was in the memo the school sent to parents.
Hegseth has sought to portray U.S. troops and their families as nearly universally in support of Trump and the administration’s effort to reinvigorate the military’s “warrior ethos.”

“They’re so excited to have President Trump as their commander in chief,” Hegseth said recently on the Fox News program “Sunday Morning Futures.” There is now “an electricity” in the military, he added.
Such protests on military installations are exceedingly rare, even when service members are not involved. While service members are prohibited from carrying out actions that may be perceived as partisan, military spouses face few prohibitions.
The walkout was organized in part by an eighth-grade student who is not yet 14 years old, she and her mother said in a joint phone interview with The Washington Post. She spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing concerns about backlash from Trump supporters. Other parents verified the girl’s leading role in the protest.
The student said that she and other students decided to act after seeing how Trump’s executive orders would target diversity events, including a drama club performance that celebrated Black History Month with Motown songs. Many involved in the protest, she said, also were concerned with how the Trump administration’s directives would affect people in the LGBTQ+ community.

It made sense to do something, she said, while Hegseth was visiting Patch Barracks. The installation in Stuttgart is home to both U.S. European Command and U.S. Africa Command, major military headquarters that call Patch home.
“There was this great sense of community and belonging,” the student said. “Like we’re not alone, because so many kids came out.”

Hegseth addresses the media during his visit to Stuttgart, Germany, on Tuesday. Looking on is Marine Corps Gen. Michael Langley, commander of U.S. Africa Command, which is headquartered there. (Michael Probst/AP)
It was not clear if Hegseth was aware of the school walkout, and he did not mention the protest by adults during a news conference in Stuttgart later Tuesday. He departed after the event for Brussels, where he is expected to meet Wednesday with counterparts from the dozens of countries that support Ukraine in its efforts to resist Russia’s three-year-old invasion.
A senior military official, speaking on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the Pentagon, said Hegseth had several productive meetings while at Stuttgart, speaking with troops, command staffs and generals. He also posted photographs of an early-morning workout with rank-and-file service members.

On Monday night, after leaving Washington, Hegseth announced that he was reverting the name of Fort Liberty in North Carolina to Fort Bragg. The name of the installation, home to the 82nd Airborne Division and other high-profile Army units, was changed from Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty in 2023 by the Biden administration because it had been named for Braxton Bragg, a Confederate general who had fought against preserving the Union in the Civil War.
Trump has complained about the change since it was instituted, and Hegseth’s team made the swap by naming the installation instead for Roland Bragg, a soldier decorated with a Silver Star for valor in World War II. It was not immediately clear if they are related. Hegseth on Tuesday sought to highlight what he deems the benefits of restoring the Bragg name.
“It means that Bragg is back,” he said. “It means that the legacy of an institution that generations of Americans have mobilized through and served at is back. It’s a shame what was done to vets, service members and their families who were born there, deployed out of there, lived there.”
Sen. Jack Reed (Rhode Island), the Senate Armed Services Committee’s top Democrat, denounced the move, saying in a statement Tuesday that Hegseth had violated the “spirit” of a bipartisan law that banned the use of Confederate names on military installations. Hegseth, he added, also “dishonored himself” by associating the good name of Roland Bragg with that of a traitor.
“This is typical of the Trump Administration’s obsession with fighting culture wars instead of actually supporting our warfighters and their families,” Reed said. “This order disregards the law and disrespects our service members. Secretary Hegseth must immediately rescind it.”

Now I would have been grounded had I done this re Vietnam back in the day, but the situation is very different.
 
Hegseth’s visit to U.S. base in Germany met with student walkout
The civil disobedience by dozens of middle-schoolers — and some adults who booed the defense secretary — was aimed at the Trump administration’s rollback of DEI initiatives.
Today at 5:53 p.m. ET


Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is on his first overseas trip since being confirmed by the Senate. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
By Dan Lamothe
BRUSSELS — Dozens of American students at a U.S. military installation in Germany walked out of their middle school on Tuesday as part of protests aimed at an official visit by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, underscoring the scope of disillusionment with the Trump administration’s crackdown on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives.
The students attend Patch Middle School in Stuttgart, Germany, and peacefully walked out of class for nearly an hour, according to three people familiar with the matter and a letter sent to parents by a school administrator. Separately, a small group of adults dressed in civilian clothing — likely parents — gathered outside at Stuttgart and protested within view and earshot of Hegseth’s delegation, booing and chanting “DEI!”, according to video recorded by a reporter traveling with the secretary.
The protests were in response to President Donald Trump’s string of executive orders targeting diversity efforts throughout the U.S. government, directives Hegseth has carried out enthusiastically. Since he took over the Pentagon, Black History Month celebrations and other similar events have been banned and access to select books in Defense Department schools attended by the children of U.S. service members have been restricted. Those moves have drawn criticism from parents and students alike.

A spokesman for Hegseth did not respond to requests for comment about the protests. Last week, the secretary, a former National Guard soldier who rose to prominence as a Fox News personality, proclaimed that he believes “the single-dumbest phrase in military history is, ‘Our diversity is our strength.’”

The school administrator’s letter said that about 1 p.m., roughly 55 students “walked out in protest of recent events.” They exited the school in orderly fashion and gathered in a courtyard outside, said the letter, signed by Alexis Small, an assistant principal.
She added that the Department of Defense Education Activity (DoDEA), which oversees about 67,000 students spread across about 160 schools worldwide, “respects our students’ rights to peacefully express their opinions through speech and other means as long as it is done respectfully, does not interfere with the rights of others, and does not disrupt learning in our school.”
A Pentagon spokesman said he had no information to provide about the issue. Will Griffin, a spokesman for DoDEA, said he had nothing to add to what was in the memo the school sent to parents.
Hegseth has sought to portray U.S. troops and their families as nearly universally in support of Trump and the administration’s effort to reinvigorate the military’s “warrior ethos.”

“They’re so excited to have President Trump as their commander in chief,” Hegseth said recently on the Fox News program “Sunday Morning Futures.” There is now “an electricity” in the military, he added.
Such protests on military installations are exceedingly rare, even when service members are not involved. While service members are prohibited from carrying out actions that may be perceived as partisan, military spouses face few prohibitions.
The walkout was organized in part by an eighth-grade student who is not yet 14 years old, she and her mother said in a joint phone interview with The Washington Post. She spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing concerns about backlash from Trump supporters. Other parents verified the girl’s leading role in the protest.
The student said that she and other students decided to act after seeing how Trump’s executive orders would target diversity events, including a drama club performance that celebrated Black History Month with Motown songs. Many involved in the protest, she said, also were concerned with how the Trump administration’s directives would affect people in the LGBTQ+ community.

It made sense to do something, she said, while Hegseth was visiting Patch Barracks. The installation in Stuttgart is home to both U.S. European Command and U.S. Africa Command, major military headquarters that call Patch home.
“There was this great sense of community and belonging,” the student said. “Like we’re not alone, because so many kids came out.”

Hegseth addresses the media during his visit to Stuttgart, Germany, on Tuesday. Looking on is Marine Corps Gen. Michael Langley, commander of U.S. Africa Command, which is headquartered there. (Michael Probst/AP)
It was not clear if Hegseth was aware of the school walkout, and he did not mention the protest by adults during a news conference in Stuttgart later Tuesday. He departed after the event for Brussels, where he is expected to meet Wednesday with counterparts from the dozens of countries that support Ukraine in its efforts to resist Russia’s three-year-old invasion.
A senior military official, speaking on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the Pentagon, said Hegseth had several productive meetings while at Stuttgart, speaking with troops, command staffs and generals. He also posted photographs of an early-morning workout with rank-and-file service members.

On Monday night, after leaving Washington, Hegseth announced that he was reverting the name of Fort Liberty in North Carolina to Fort Bragg. The name of the installation, home to the 82nd Airborne Division and other high-profile Army units, was changed from Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty in 2023 by the Biden administration because it had been named for Braxton Bragg, a Confederate general who had fought against preserving the Union in the Civil War.
Trump has complained about the change since it was instituted, and Hegseth’s team made the swap by naming the installation instead for Roland Bragg, a soldier decorated with a Silver Star for valor in World War II. It was not immediately clear if they are related. Hegseth on Tuesday sought to highlight what he deems the benefits of restoring the Bragg name.
“It means that Bragg is back,” he said. “It means that the legacy of an institution that generations of Americans have mobilized through and served at is back. It’s a shame what was done to vets, service members and their families who were born there, deployed out of there, lived there.”
Sen. Jack Reed (Rhode Island), the Senate Armed Services Committee’s top Democrat, denounced the move, saying in a statement Tuesday that Hegseth had violated the “spirit” of a bipartisan law that banned the use of Confederate names on military installations. Hegseth, he added, also “dishonored himself” by associating the good name of Roland Bragg with that of a traitor.
“This is typical of the Trump Administration’s obsession with fighting culture wars instead of actually supporting our warfighters and their families,” Reed said. “This order disregards the law and disrespects our service members. Secretary Hegseth must immediately rescind it.”

Now I would have been grounded had I done this re Vietnam back in the day, but the situation is very different.
You’re not fit to lick 👅 Pete Hegseth’s ass crack on a hot day!
 
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Ol' @alaskanseminole ol' chap. Throw this OP into that tl;dr sorcery machine of yours and report back.
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TL;DR Summary:

During Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s visit to a U.S. military base in Stuttgart, Germany, dozens of middle school students staged a peaceful walkout to protest the Trump administration’s rollback of DEI initiatives. The protest, organized by an eighth-grade student, lasted nearly an hour and was supported by a small group of adults who booed and chanted “DEI!” within earshot of Hegseth’s delegation. The demonstration was a response to recent executive orders that have banned Black History Month celebrations, restricted access to certain books in Defense Department schools, and generally curtailed diversity initiatives. The Department of Defense Education Activity acknowledged the students’ right to protest as long as it did not disrupt school operations, while the Pentagon and Hegseth’s team declined to comment on the incident.

Hegseth, a former National Guard soldier and Fox News personality, has championed Trump’s efforts to reinforce the military’s “warrior ethos” and dismiss diversity initiatives. While in Germany, he did not address the student protests but announced the reversal of Fort Liberty’s name back to Fort Bragg, a move criticized by Sen. Jack Reed as violating bipartisan law. Hegseth justified the decision by attributing the new namesake to Roland Bragg, a World War II hero, though it was unclear if he was related to the Confederate general. The visit underscored the growing division over the administration’s policies, with Hegseth touting strong military support for Trump while critics condemned his focus on cultural battles over substantive military needs.
 
Hegseth’s visit to U.S. base in Germany met with student walkout
The civil disobedience by dozens of middle-schoolers — and some adults who booed the defense secretary — was aimed at the Trump administration’s rollback of DEI initiatives.
Today at 5:53 p.m. ET


Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is on his first overseas trip since being confirmed by the Senate. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
By Dan Lamothe
BRUSSELS — Dozens of American students at a U.S. military installation in Germany walked out of their middle school on Tuesday as part of protests aimed at an official visit by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, underscoring the scope of disillusionment with the Trump administration’s crackdown on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives.
The students attend Patch Middle School in Stuttgart, Germany, and peacefully walked out of class for nearly an hour, according to three people familiar with the matter and a letter sent to parents by a school administrator. Separately, a small group of adults dressed in civilian clothing — likely parents — gathered outside at Stuttgart and protested within view and earshot of Hegseth’s delegation, booing and chanting “DEI!”, according to video recorded by a reporter traveling with the secretary.
The protests were in response to President Donald Trump’s string of executive orders targeting diversity efforts throughout the U.S. government, directives Hegseth has carried out enthusiastically. Since he took over the Pentagon, Black History Month celebrations and other similar events have been banned and access to select books in Defense Department schools attended by the children of U.S. service members have been restricted. Those moves have drawn criticism from parents and students alike.

A spokesman for Hegseth did not respond to requests for comment about the protests. Last week, the secretary, a former National Guard soldier who rose to prominence as a Fox News personality, proclaimed that he believes “the single-dumbest phrase in military history is, ‘Our diversity is our strength.’”

The school administrator’s letter said that about 1 p.m., roughly 55 students “walked out in protest of recent events.” They exited the school in orderly fashion and gathered in a courtyard outside, said the letter, signed by Alexis Small, an assistant principal.
She added that the Department of Defense Education Activity (DoDEA), which oversees about 67,000 students spread across about 160 schools worldwide, “respects our students’ rights to peacefully express their opinions through speech and other means as long as it is done respectfully, does not interfere with the rights of others, and does not disrupt learning in our school.”
A Pentagon spokesman said he had no information to provide about the issue. Will Griffin, a spokesman for DoDEA, said he had nothing to add to what was in the memo the school sent to parents.
Hegseth has sought to portray U.S. troops and their families as nearly universally in support of Trump and the administration’s effort to reinvigorate the military’s “warrior ethos.”

“They’re so excited to have President Trump as their commander in chief,” Hegseth said recently on the Fox News program “Sunday Morning Futures.” There is now “an electricity” in the military, he added.
Such protests on military installations are exceedingly rare, even when service members are not involved. While service members are prohibited from carrying out actions that may be perceived as partisan, military spouses face few prohibitions.
The walkout was organized in part by an eighth-grade student who is not yet 14 years old, she and her mother said in a joint phone interview with The Washington Post. She spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing concerns about backlash from Trump supporters. Other parents verified the girl’s leading role in the protest.
The student said that she and other students decided to act after seeing how Trump’s executive orders would target diversity events, including a drama club performance that celebrated Black History Month with Motown songs. Many involved in the protest, she said, also were concerned with how the Trump administration’s directives would affect people in the LGBTQ+ community.

It made sense to do something, she said, while Hegseth was visiting Patch Barracks. The installation in Stuttgart is home to both U.S. European Command and U.S. Africa Command, major military headquarters that call Patch home.
“There was this great sense of community and belonging,” the student said. “Like we’re not alone, because so many kids came out.”

Hegseth addresses the media during his visit to Stuttgart, Germany, on Tuesday. Looking on is Marine Corps Gen. Michael Langley, commander of U.S. Africa Command, which is headquartered there. (Michael Probst/AP)
It was not clear if Hegseth was aware of the school walkout, and he did not mention the protest by adults during a news conference in Stuttgart later Tuesday. He departed after the event for Brussels, where he is expected to meet Wednesday with counterparts from the dozens of countries that support Ukraine in its efforts to resist Russia’s three-year-old invasion.
A senior military official, speaking on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the Pentagon, said Hegseth had several productive meetings while at Stuttgart, speaking with troops, command staffs and generals. He also posted photographs of an early-morning workout with rank-and-file service members.

On Monday night, after leaving Washington, Hegseth announced that he was reverting the name of Fort Liberty in North Carolina to Fort Bragg. The name of the installation, home to the 82nd Airborne Division and other high-profile Army units, was changed from Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty in 2023 by the Biden administration because it had been named for Braxton Bragg, a Confederate general who had fought against preserving the Union in the Civil War.
Trump has complained about the change since it was instituted, and Hegseth’s team made the swap by naming the installation instead for Roland Bragg, a soldier decorated with a Silver Star for valor in World War II. It was not immediately clear if they are related. Hegseth on Tuesday sought to highlight what he deems the benefits of restoring the Bragg name.
“It means that Bragg is back,” he said. “It means that the legacy of an institution that generations of Americans have mobilized through and served at is back. It’s a shame what was done to vets, service members and their families who were born there, deployed out of there, lived there.”
Sen. Jack Reed (Rhode Island), the Senate Armed Services Committee’s top Democrat, denounced the move, saying in a statement Tuesday that Hegseth had violated the “spirit” of a bipartisan law that banned the use of Confederate names on military installations. Hegseth, he added, also “dishonored himself” by associating the good name of Roland Bragg with that of a traitor.
“This is typical of the Trump Administration’s obsession with fighting culture wars instead of actually supporting our warfighters and their families,” Reed said. “This order disregards the law and disrespects our service members. Secretary Hegseth must immediately rescind it.”

Now I would have been grounded had I done this re Vietnam back in the day, but the situation is very different.
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If he’s lost middle school girls…. Well, let’s just say, ask not for whom the bell tolls, Pete.

Actually I read From who the bell tolls somewhere today.

But, I am curious to hear your opinion as to why it happened in a DOD school.

I have my opinion, just am curious in others opinions.
 
Hegseth’s visit to U.S. base in Germany met with student walkout
The civil disobedience by dozens of middle-schoolers — and some adults who booed the defense secretary — was aimed at the Trump administration’s rollback of DEI initiatives.
Today at 5:53 p.m. ET


Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is on his first overseas trip since being confirmed by the Senate. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
By Dan Lamothe
BRUSSELS — Dozens of American students at a U.S. military installation in Germany walked out of their middle school on Tuesday as part of protests aimed at an official visit by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, underscoring the scope of disillusionment with the Trump administration’s crackdown on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives.
The students attend Patch Middle School in Stuttgart, Germany, and peacefully walked out of class for nearly an hour, according to three people familiar with the matter and a letter sent to parents by a school administrator. Separately, a small group of adults dressed in civilian clothing — likely parents — gathered outside at Stuttgart and protested within view and earshot of Hegseth’s delegation, booing and chanting “DEI!”, according to video recorded by a reporter traveling with the secretary.
The protests were in response to President Donald Trump’s string of executive orders targeting diversity efforts throughout the U.S. government, directives Hegseth has carried out enthusiastically. Since he took over the Pentagon, Black History Month celebrations and other similar events have been banned and access to select books in Defense Department schools attended by the children of U.S. service members have been restricted. Those moves have drawn criticism from parents and students alike.

A spokesman for Hegseth did not respond to requests for comment about the protests. Last week, the secretary, a former National Guard soldier who rose to prominence as a Fox News personality, proclaimed that he believes “the single-dumbest phrase in military history is, ‘Our diversity is our strength.’”

The school administrator’s letter said that about 1 p.m., roughly 55 students “walked out in protest of recent events.” They exited the school in orderly fashion and gathered in a courtyard outside, said the letter, signed by Alexis Small, an assistant principal.
She added that the Department of Defense Education Activity (DoDEA), which oversees about 67,000 students spread across about 160 schools worldwide, “respects our students’ rights to peacefully express their opinions through speech and other means as long as it is done respectfully, does not interfere with the rights of others, and does not disrupt learning in our school.”
A Pentagon spokesman said he had no information to provide about the issue. Will Griffin, a spokesman for DoDEA, said he had nothing to add to what was in the memo the school sent to parents.
Hegseth has sought to portray U.S. troops and their families as nearly universally in support of Trump and the administration’s effort to reinvigorate the military’s “warrior ethos.”

“They’re so excited to have President Trump as their commander in chief,” Hegseth said recently on the Fox News program “Sunday Morning Futures.” There is now “an electricity” in the military, he added.
Such protests on military installations are exceedingly rare, even when service members are not involved. While service members are prohibited from carrying out actions that may be perceived as partisan, military spouses face few prohibitions.
The walkout was organized in part by an eighth-grade student who is not yet 14 years old, she and her mother said in a joint phone interview with The Washington Post. She spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing concerns about backlash from Trump supporters. Other parents verified the girl’s leading role in the protest.
The student said that she and other students decided to act after seeing how Trump’s executive orders would target diversity events, including a drama club performance that celebrated Black History Month with Motown songs. Many involved in the protest, she said, also were concerned with how the Trump administration’s directives would affect people in the LGBTQ+ community.

It made sense to do something, she said, while Hegseth was visiting Patch Barracks. The installation in Stuttgart is home to both U.S. European Command and U.S. Africa Command, major military headquarters that call Patch home.
“There was this great sense of community and belonging,” the student said. “Like we’re not alone, because so many kids came out.”

Hegseth addresses the media during his visit to Stuttgart, Germany, on Tuesday. Looking on is Marine Corps Gen. Michael Langley, commander of U.S. Africa Command, which is headquartered there. (Michael Probst/AP)
It was not clear if Hegseth was aware of the school walkout, and he did not mention the protest by adults during a news conference in Stuttgart later Tuesday. He departed after the event for Brussels, where he is expected to meet Wednesday with counterparts from the dozens of countries that support Ukraine in its efforts to resist Russia’s three-year-old invasion.
A senior military official, speaking on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the Pentagon, said Hegseth had several productive meetings while at Stuttgart, speaking with troops, command staffs and generals. He also posted photographs of an early-morning workout with rank-and-file service members.

On Monday night, after leaving Washington, Hegseth announced that he was reverting the name of Fort Liberty in North Carolina to Fort Bragg. The name of the installation, home to the 82nd Airborne Division and other high-profile Army units, was changed from Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty in 2023 by the Biden administration because it had been named for Braxton Bragg, a Confederate general who had fought against preserving the Union in the Civil War.
Trump has complained about the change since it was instituted, and Hegseth’s team made the swap by naming the installation instead for Roland Bragg, a soldier decorated with a Silver Star for valor in World War II. It was not immediately clear if they are related. Hegseth on Tuesday sought to highlight what he deems the benefits of restoring the Bragg name.
“It means that Bragg is back,” he said. “It means that the legacy of an institution that generations of Americans have mobilized through and served at is back. It’s a shame what was done to vets, service members and their families who were born there, deployed out of there, lived there.”
Sen. Jack Reed (Rhode Island), the Senate Armed Services Committee’s top Democrat, denounced the move, saying in a statement Tuesday that Hegseth had violated the “spirit” of a bipartisan law that banned the use of Confederate names on military installations. Hegseth, he added, also “dishonored himself” by associating the good name of Roland Bragg with that of a traitor.
“This is typical of the Trump Administration’s obsession with fighting culture wars instead of actually supporting our warfighters and their families,” Reed said. “This order disregards the law and disrespects our service members. Secretary Hegseth must immediately rescind it.”

Now I would have been grounded had I done this re Vietnam back in the day, but the situation is very different.
In other news, military recruitment is improving in the United States.
 
Actually I read From who the bell tolls somewhere today.

But, I am curious to hear your opinion as to why it happened in a DOD school.

I have my opinion, just am curious in others opinions.

~8% of the middle schoolers participating in a walk out isn't much, but I can't imagine it happening when I was going to school at Rhein-Main AFB ('82-'85)
 
~8% of the middle schoolers participating in a walk out isn't much, but I can't imagine it happening when I was going to school at Rhein-Main AFB ('82-'85)
My point.

I was in Japan during the ‘60’s. Our parents would have kicked our buts.

But, contrary to what many believe these days, the military, both active and retired is not all in on the current situation.
 
~8% of the middle schoolers participating in a walk out isn't much, but I can't imagine it happening when I was going to school at Rhein-Main AFB ('82-'85)
But you bring up something. You asked me for names of BRATS that are retired military and also BRATs that consider Snowden a traitor.

You should know better. That totally breaks the code of the BRATs, at least the way I was brought up.

Perhaps you didn’t get the memo about BRATs.

Now if you want to see what many feel, I can recommend various groups.
 
But you bring up something. You asked me for names of BRATS that are retired military and also BRATs that consider Snowden a traitor.

Misunderstanding.

I wasn't asking for the names of those you've spoken to, I'm asking for the names of any American who the US government attributes their death to Snowden's leak.

That number remains zero.
 
Misunderstanding.

I wasn't asking for the names of those you've spoken to, I'm asking for the names of any American who the US government attributes their death to Snowden's leak.

That number remains zero.
Didn’t they teach you anything at Rhein Maine or were you having too much fun?
 
Didn’t they teach you anything at Rhein Maine or were you having too much fun?
In third grade they put me in GATE, which was cool, because that's where I found my peers.
We did have lots of fun. Our housing was in Langen Terrace, off base. Next to the apartment complex was large pine forest that still had WW2 bomb craters we used as our trench works when we played war all the time.
 
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I most definitely pooped my pants in Stuttgart. I was just a 3-5 kid then, but where I earned my nickname.

And I'm still looking for my little girlfriend who told all our officer parents and their higher ups, that we were getting married on the moon and got pissed and stormed off, dragging me away when they all laughed. We can still make it happen whoever and wherever you are!

Pirmasens for the win! (I think i lived in one of these, and yes, this was the officer barracks. Can't imagine what my dad's dudes lived in).

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In third grade they put me in GATE, which was cool, because that's were I found my peers.
We did have lots of fun. Our housing was in Langen Terrace, off base. Next to the apartment complex was large pine forest that still had WW2 bomb craters we used as our trench works when we played war all the time.
I’m a lot older than you. We went to Japan in 1963. I was 11. We stayed for five years. It was the peak of the war, and I lived on a SAC/TAC/MAC base.

Our daily news was who was KIA or MIA.

We’re a very tight group, my friends and I that are left from that time period.

Can’t pm you from this board. I can from the Osceola if you ever want to discuss brat stuff.
 
In other news, military recruitment is improving in the United States.
There was a thread on it. It has nothing to do with Hegseth getting owned by teenagers.
Biden implemented the reforms that led to better recruiting. Let’s see where things are in 12 months.
 
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I have a good friend that’s a recruiter. After getting blown up in Afghanistan, she took a job as a recruiter.
Tough job. I've heard horror stories of young kids signing up for a particular job like airborne, ranger, aviation, only to find out at basic they were "needs of the army" and put in shitty remf pogue units like personnel, laundry, waste water. (To be fair, I've heard tremendous stories of them guiding and coaching recruits to greatness). I've heard it's changed for the better and they can get guaranteed contracts. Im glad to hear that and hope and bet your friend is one of those.
 
Tough job. I've heard horror stories of young kids signing up for a particular job like airborne, ranger, aviation, only to find out at basic they were "needs of the army" and put in shitty remf pogue units like personnel, laundry, waste water. (To be fair, I've heard tremendous stories of them guiding and coaching recruits to greatness). I've heard it's changed for the better and they can get guaranteed contracts. Im glad to hear that and hope and bet your friend is one of those.
She’s an amazing human being. Disability after her army service, but hanging in there.

She told me that lots of kids try and sign up, but when they find out they have to actually go through training and work more than a week end a month, they slide away.

She also said that they do poorly on testing. No critical thinking skills.

So I’m skeptical when anyone says enlistment is up. I’d change that to application is up.
 
My now-wife went to Patch HS is Stuttgart "several" year ago.
 
Hegseth’s visit to U.S. base in Germany met with student walkout
The civil disobedience by dozens of middle-schoolers — and some adults who booed the defense secretary — was aimed at the Trump administration’s rollback of DEI initiatives.
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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is on his first overseas trip since being confirmed by the Senate. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
By Dan Lamothe
BRUSSELS — Dozens of American students at a U.S. military installation in Germany walked out of their middle school on Tuesday as part of protests aimed at an official visit by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, underscoring the scope of disillusionment with the Trump administration’s crackdown on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives.
The students attend Patch Middle School in Stuttgart, Germany, and peacefully walked out of class for nearly an hour, according to three people familiar with the matter and a letter sent to parents by a school administrator. Separately, a small group of adults dressed in civilian clothing — likely parents — gathered outside at Stuttgart and protested within view and earshot of Hegseth’s delegation, booing and chanting “DEI!”, according to video recorded by a reporter traveling with the secretary.
The protests were in response to President Donald Trump’s string of executive orders targeting diversity efforts throughout the U.S. government, directives Hegseth has carried out enthusiastically. Since he took over the Pentagon, Black History Month celebrations and other similar events have been banned and access to select books in Defense Department schools attended by the children of U.S. service members have been restricted. Those moves have drawn criticism from parents and students alike.

A spokesman for Hegseth did not respond to requests for comment about the protests. Last week, the secretary, a former National Guard soldier who rose to prominence as a Fox News personality, proclaimed that he believes “the single-dumbest phrase in military history is, ‘Our diversity is our strength.’”

The school administrator’s letter said that about 1 p.m., roughly 55 students “walked out in protest of recent events.” They exited the school in orderly fashion and gathered in a courtyard outside, said the letter, signed by Alexis Small, an assistant principal.
She added that the Department of Defense Education Activity (DoDEA), which oversees about 67,000 students spread across about 160 schools worldwide, “respects our students’ rights to peacefully express their opinions through speech and other means as long as it is done respectfully, does not interfere with the rights of others, and does not disrupt learning in our school.”
A Pentagon spokesman said he had no information to provide about the issue. Will Griffin, a spokesman for DoDEA, said he had nothing to add to what was in the memo the school sent to parents.
Hegseth has sought to portray U.S. troops and their families as nearly universally in support of Trump and the administration’s effort to reinvigorate the military’s “warrior ethos.”

“They’re so excited to have President Trump as their commander in chief,” Hegseth said recently on the Fox News program “Sunday Morning Futures.” There is now “an electricity” in the military, he added.
Such protests on military installations are exceedingly rare, even when service members are not involved. While service members are prohibited from carrying out actions that may be perceived as partisan, military spouses face few prohibitions.
The walkout was organized in part by an eighth-grade student who is not yet 14 years old, she and her mother said in a joint phone interview with The Washington Post. She spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing concerns about backlash from Trump supporters. Other parents verified the girl’s leading role in the protest.
The student said that she and other students decided to act after seeing how Trump’s executive orders would target diversity events, including a drama club performance that celebrated Black History Month with Motown songs. Many involved in the protest, she said, also were concerned with how the Trump administration’s directives would affect people in the LGBTQ+ community.

It made sense to do something, she said, while Hegseth was visiting Patch Barracks. The installation in Stuttgart is home to both U.S. European Command and U.S. Africa Command, major military headquarters that call Patch home.
“There was this great sense of community and belonging,” the student said. “Like we’re not alone, because so many kids came out.”

Hegseth addresses the media during his visit to Stuttgart, Germany, on Tuesday. Looking on is Marine Corps Gen. Michael Langley, commander of U.S. Africa Command, which is headquartered there. (Michael Probst/AP)
It was not clear if Hegseth was aware of the school walkout, and he did not mention the protest by adults during a news conference in Stuttgart later Tuesday. He departed after the event for Brussels, where he is expected to meet Wednesday with counterparts from the dozens of countries that support Ukraine in its efforts to resist Russia’s three-year-old invasion.
A senior military official, speaking on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the Pentagon, said Hegseth had several productive meetings while at Stuttgart, speaking with troops, command staffs and generals. He also posted photographs of an early-morning workout with rank-and-file service members.

On Monday night, after leaving Washington, Hegseth announced that he was reverting the name of Fort Liberty in North Carolina to Fort Bragg. The name of the installation, home to the 82nd Airborne Division and other high-profile Army units, was changed from Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty in 2023 by the Biden administration because it had been named for Braxton Bragg, a Confederate general who had fought against preserving the Union in the Civil War.
Trump has complained about the change since it was instituted, and Hegseth’s team made the swap by naming the installation instead for Roland Bragg, a soldier decorated with a Silver Star for valor in World War II. It was not immediately clear if they are related. Hegseth on Tuesday sought to highlight what he deems the benefits of restoring the Bragg name.
“It means that Bragg is back,” he said. “It means that the legacy of an institution that generations of Americans have mobilized through and served at is back. It’s a shame what was done to vets, service members and their families who were born there, deployed out of there, lived there.”
Sen. Jack Reed (Rhode Island), the Senate Armed Services Committee’s top Democrat, denounced the move, saying in a statement Tuesday that Hegseth had violated the “spirit” of a bipartisan law that banned the use of Confederate names on military installations. Hegseth, he added, also “dishonored himself” by associating the good name of Roland Bragg with that of a traitor.
“This is typical of the Trump Administration’s obsession with fighting culture wars instead of actually supporting our warfighters and their families,” Reed said. “This order disregards the law and disrespects our service members. Secretary Hegseth must immediately rescind it.”

Now I would have been grounded had I done this re Vietnam back in the day, but the situation is very different.
So much for the "art of the deal".

Realistically any peace deal is gonna involve Ukraine giving up some land BUT.....you don't start negotiations by already conceding that. Germans call that durchfall mund (diarrhea mouth :confused:)

Inexcusable IMO.

I just hope that the final demarcation line is along defensible lines for Ukraine. Use the Kursk incursion into Russia as a bargaining chip to shift the lines using rivers/high ground as the borders. The topography of the new border is going to be extremely important. I think the border is gonna look like the DMZ in Korea in short order.

I think one of the keys postwar is Belarus. The "west" somehow, someway hast to try to pry it from Putins grip. That border has been pretty quiet in this war but if Putin can incorporate them completely into Russia in any future war that basically extends the line Ukraine has to defend x2. Very difficult situation for Ukraine.

The other key is going to be continuing to arm Ukraine after the war. Ukraine needs a viable Air Force so that should be priority one IMO.

We'll see how it goes.
 
The most unqualified person in the history of our country per a Republican former DOD staffer.

 
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