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Global freezing / warming / climate change = FICTION
Scientists Finally Admit Climate Models Are Failing To Predict Global Warming



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Former Vice President Al Gore speaks during the Center for American Progress 10th Anniversary Conference in Washington, D.C., Oct. 24, 2013. (JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images)

A group of scientists recently put out a new study confirming the 15-year “hiatus” in global warming. That study made headlines, but what went largely unnoticed was a major admission made by the paper’s authors: the climate models were wrong.

“There is this mismatch between what the climate models are producing and what the observations are showing,” John Fyfe, Canadian climate modeler and lead author of the new paper, told Nature. “We can’t ignore it.”

“Reality has deviated from our expectations – it is perfectly normal to try and understand this difference,” Ed Hawkins, co-author of the study and United Kingdom climate scientist, echoed in a blog post.

This is a huge admission by climate scientists and a big victory for skeptics of man-made global warming who have for years been pointing to a mismatch between climate model predictions and actual temperature observaations.

“Overall, the paper is an admission by prominent members of the ‘mainstream’ scientific community that the earth’s surface temperature over the past two decades or so has not evolved in a way that was well-anticipated by either the scientific community and/or the climate models they rely on,” Chip Kappenberger, climate scientist at the libertarian Cato Institute, told The Daily Caller News foundation.

“Something that the skeptic have been pointing out for years,” Knappenberger said.

Knappenberger and fellow Cato climate scientist Patrick Michaels have been prominent critics of climate models relied upon by “mainstream”scientists because they say the models have not accurately predicted global temperature rises for the past six decades.

In a recent paper, Michaels and Knappenberger compared observed global surface temperature warming rates since 1950 to predictions made by 108 climate models used by government climate scientists. What they found was the models projected much higher warming rates than actually occurred.

Michaels and Knappenberger aren’t alone. Satellite-derived temperature readings have shown a “hiatus” in global warming for at least the last 18 years, despite rising carbon dioxide emissions.

While some scientists have tried to discredit satellite readings, they have been unable to explain the lack of significant warming in recent years.

“When a theory contradicts the facts” you need to change the theory, climate scientist John Christy told Congress in January hearing. “The real world is not going along with rapid warming. The models need to go back to the drawing board.”

Christy and his colleague Roy Spencer compile satellite-derived temperature readings at the University of Alabama, Huntsville. Their satellite data has shown no warming for about two decades, and has been cited by researchers skeptical of claims of catastrophic global warming.

“The bulk atmospheric temperature is where the signal is the largest,” Christy said in the hearing, referring to the greenhouse gas effect. “We have measurements for that — it doesn’t match up with the models.”

“Because this result challenges the current theory of greenhouse warming in relatively straightforward fashion, there have been several well-funded attacks on those of us who build and use such datasets and on the datasets themselves,” Christy said.

Now, skepticism seems to have won the day — at least in terms of convincing other scientists there’s a big problem with climate models.

Fyfe’s study — which was co-authored by Michael Mann of “hockey stick” curve fame — contradicts a study by National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientists claiming there was no global warming hiatus.

“Overall, there is compelling evidence that there has been a temporary slowdown in observed global surface warming,” Hawkins wrote in a blog post about the study, noting “the most recent observed 15-year trends are all positive, but lower than most previous similar trends in the past few decades” which is a “clear demonstration that the rate of change has slowed since its peak.”

But even with the admission, some skeptics are still critical because the study’s authors employed research methods they have been critical of in the past.

“All of this said, the authors used techniques to demonstrate a slowdown, that when employed by the skeptics, are harshly criticized,” Knappenberger said. “This seems to me to indicate that the mainstream community gives a free pass to some researchers more so than others



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/26/s...ling-to-predict-global-warming/#ixzz41LUxNRax
 
Global freezing / warming / climate change = FICTION
Scientists Finally Admit Climate Models Are Failing To Predict Global Warming



al-gore-center-for-american-progress-getty-images-e1431715456900.jpg
Former Vice President Al Gore speaks during the Center for American Progress 10th Anniversary Conference in Washington, D.C., Oct. 24, 2013. (JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images)

A group of scientists recently put out a new study confirming the 15-year “hiatus” in global warming. That study made headlines, but what went largely unnoticed was a major admission made by the paper’s authors: the climate models were wrong.

“There is this mismatch between what the climate models are producing and what the observations are showing,” John Fyfe, Canadian climate modeler and lead author of the new paper, told Nature. “We can’t ignore it.”

“Reality has deviated from our expectations – it is perfectly normal to try and understand this difference,” Ed Hawkins, co-author of the study and United Kingdom climate scientist, echoed in a blog post.

This is a huge admission by climate scientists and a big victory for skeptics of man-made global warming who have for years been pointing to a mismatch between climate model predictions and actual temperature observaations.

“Overall, the paper is an admission by prominent members of the ‘mainstream’ scientific community that the earth’s surface temperature over the past two decades or so has not evolved in a way that was well-anticipated by either the scientific community and/or the climate models they rely on,” Chip Kappenberger, climate scientist at the libertarian Cato Institute, told The Daily Caller News foundation.

“Something that the skeptic have been pointing out for years,” Knappenberger said.

Knappenberger and fellow Cato climate scientist Patrick Michaels have been prominent critics of climate models relied upon by “mainstream”scientists because they say the models have not accurately predicted global temperature rises for the past six decades.

In a recent paper, Michaels and Knappenberger compared observed global surface temperature warming rates since 1950 to predictions made by 108 climate models used by government climate scientists. What they found was the models projected much higher warming rates than actually occurred.

Michaels and Knappenberger aren’t alone. Satellite-derived temperature readings have shown a “hiatus” in global warming for at least the last 18 years, despite rising carbon dioxide emissions.

While some scientists have tried to discredit satellite readings, they have been unable to explain the lack of significant warming in recent years.

“When a theory contradicts the facts” you need to change the theory, climate scientist John Christy told Congress in January hearing. “The real world is not going along with rapid warming. The models need to go back to the drawing board.”

Christy and his colleague Roy Spencer compile satellite-derived temperature readings at the University of Alabama, Huntsville. Their satellite data has shown no warming for about two decades, and has been cited by researchers skeptical of claims of catastrophic global warming.

“The bulk atmospheric temperature is where the signal is the largest,” Christy said in the hearing, referring to the greenhouse gas effect. “We have measurements for that — it doesn’t match up with the models.”

“Because this result challenges the current theory of greenhouse warming in relatively straightforward fashion, there have been several well-funded attacks on those of us who build and use such datasets and on the datasets themselves,” Christy said.

Now, skepticism seems to have won the day — at least in terms of convincing other scientists there’s a big problem with climate models.

Fyfe’s study — which was co-authored by Michael Mann of “hockey stick” curve fame — contradicts a study by National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientists claiming there was no global warming hiatus.

“Overall, there is compelling evidence that there has been a temporary slowdown in observed global surface warming,” Hawkins wrote in a blog post about the study, noting “the most recent observed 15-year trends are all positive, but lower than most previous similar trends in the past few decades” which is a “clear demonstration that the rate of change has slowed since its peak.”

But even with the admission, some skeptics are still critical because the study’s authors employed research methods they have been critical of in the past.

“All of this said, the authors used techniques to demonstrate a slowdown, that when employed by the skeptics, are harshly criticized,” Knappenberger said. “This seems to me to indicate that the mainstream community gives a free pass to some researchers more so than others



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/26/s...ling-to-predict-global-warming/#ixzz41LUxNRax

This myth again.....:confused:
 
So the Koch bros' Cato Institute's pet "scientists" are reported by the Koch-supported right-wing attack operation Daily Caller to think that climate change is a hoax.

Tell me something I couldn't have invented on my own.

Aiding the effort, several of the wealthiest members of the Koch network launched media ventures during this period, widening the exposure for partisan attacks. Foster Friess, the Wyoming mutual fund magnate, for instance, committed to spend $3 million to found The Daily Caller in 2010 after a single luncheon conversation about it with Tucker Carlson, its prospective editor in chief. The online news venture described itself as a conservative version of The Huffington Post. In fact, it functioned more as an outlet for opposition research paid for by the donor class. Charles Koch’s foundation would later also back the news site.

[one of several mentions of The Daily Caller in Dark Money]
 
Here is Christy's OWN DATA, parsed up to 1998 (pre-El Nino effects in 1998) and up to the end of 2015 - an apples:apples comparison.

Hard to claim there's "no warming" when we are just about to hit the El Nino bump from THIS El Nino.

In the graph, the BLUE runs UP TO Fall 1997 (thru Sept 1997), before the 1997 El Nino started to impact the data.
The GREEN is Fall (Oct) 1997-Fall 2015, thru Sept 2015.
The RED is the last months of 2015 (Oct) to the present, and is just starting to show the impacts of the current El Nino event, which shows up in the satellite data 3-6 months AFTER the El Nino.

Also, note that prior to the 1997 event, the nominal satellite temp was about at 0.0°C baseline.
Prior to THIS event, it is almost 0.4°C above baseline. Temperature's spiked 0.6°C with that El Nino.
Adding that to the baseline now is likely to push the graph to nearly 1.0°C.

How anyone can claim that equates to 'no warming' is beyond me...particularly just looking at the pre-El Nino baseline temperature.

This year's spike will dwarf the 1998 event's...you can even see the 2007 El Nino spike in the data (which was a far weaker event than 1998 or 2015)

to:1997.75
 
I like how the OP references Nature. But if you click that link, the Nature article DOES NOT SUPPORT the wingnut claims from Koch-Cato pet scientists as reported in the well-known disinformation rag Daily Caller.

Go ahead, click on it and see for yourself.
 
I like how the OP references Nature. But if you click that link, the Nature article DOES NOT SUPPORT the wingnut claims from Koch-Cato pet scientists as reported in the well-known disinformation rag Daily Caller.

Go ahead, click on it and see for yourself.

The science illiterates on this board can barely comprehend a news headline, let alone an Op Ed. They're totally lost when you ask them to read an actual science publication.
 
The science illiterates on this board can barely comprehend a news headline, let alone an Op Ed. They're totally lost when you ask them to read an actual science publication.

Yo have no concept of time or statistics.

In this instance your world was created in 1975.
 
You may want to take Christy up on that issue, as it is HIS data being used to promote the false narrative you are being duped by...

Prove your upward trendline since way back in 1975, isn't normal variation in the temperature population of the Earth's entire history.
 
I've been assaulted for saying this before, but I have a friend who graduated from Mississippi State with a degree in meteorology. He swears the arctic ice cap is growing and that this warming trend is not substantiated.

(Don't shoot the messenger.)
 
I've been assaulted for saying this before, but I have a friend who graduated from Mississippi State with a degree in meteorology. He swears the arctic ice cap is growing and that this warming trend is not substantiated.

(Don't shoot the messenger.)

Your 'friend' may be a competent meterologist, but he's obviously incompetent to read any actual science article or data on Arctic ice status.
 
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Prove your upward trendline since way back in 1975, isn't normal variation in the temperature population of the Earth's entire history.

Again (for the hundredth time), it's BEEN proven. NO ONE, not ONE climate denier, has put forth the data indicating the natural forcing behind recent warming. Human influences have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Unfortunately, you have zero science background, and seem to think that a statistical test is the equivalent of a scientific hypothesis or model. It is not. You can prove very little in science using ONLY statistics, absent any core physics or chemistry. But when you apply statistics to the physical equations and relationships, it is quite easy to prove statistical confidence. Stastistics enhances the physical sciences, but it cannot replace them - which seems to be your expectation here, that we'd have a 'control' Earth to compare this one to. That's not how science works, but it is how naive people try to apply statistics when they have zero understanding of the system or the science. And I see that routinely in my field of work.
 
Global freezing / warming / climate change = FICTION
Scientists Finally Admit Climate Models Are Failing To Predict Global Warming



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Former Vice President Al Gore speaks during the Center for American Progress 10th Anniversary Conference in Washington, D.C., Oct. 24, 2013. (JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images)

A group of scientists recently put out a new study confirming the 15-year “hiatus” in global warming. That study made headlines, but what went largely unnoticed was a major admission made by the paper’s authors: the climate models were wrong.

“There is this mismatch between what the climate models are producing and what the observations are showing,” John Fyfe, Canadian climate modeler and lead author of the new paper, told Nature. “We can’t ignore it.”

“Reality has deviated from our expectations – it is perfectly normal to try and understand this difference,” Ed Hawkins, co-author of the study and United Kingdom climate scientist, echoed in a blog post.

This is a huge admission by climate scientists and a big victory for skeptics of man-made global warming who have for years been pointing to a mismatch between climate model predictions and actual temperature observaations.

“Overall, the paper is an admission by prominent members of the ‘mainstream’ scientific community that the earth’s surface temperature over the past two decades or so has not evolved in a way that was well-anticipated by either the scientific community and/or the climate models they rely on,” Chip Kappenberger, climate scientist at the libertarian Cato Institute, told The Daily Caller News foundation.

“Something that the skeptic have been pointing out for years,” Knappenberger said.

Knappenberger and fellow Cato climate scientist Patrick Michaels have been prominent critics of climate models relied upon by “mainstream”scientists because they say the models have not accurately predicted global temperature rises for the past six decades.

In a recent paper, Michaels and Knappenberger compared observed global surface temperature warming rates since 1950 to predictions made by 108 climate models used by government climate scientists. What they found was the models projected much higher warming rates than actually occurred.

Michaels and Knappenberger aren’t alone. Satellite-derived temperature readings have shown a “hiatus” in global warming for at least the last 18 years, despite rising carbon dioxide emissions.

While some scientists have tried to discredit satellite readings, they have been unable to explain the lack of significant warming in recent years.

“When a theory contradicts the facts” you need to change the theory, climate scientist John Christy told Congress in January hearing. “The real world is not going along with rapid warming. The models need to go back to the drawing board.”

Christy and his colleague Roy Spencer compile satellite-derived temperature readings at the University of Alabama, Huntsville. Their satellite data has shown no warming for about two decades, and has been cited by researchers skeptical of claims of catastrophic global warming.

“The bulk atmospheric temperature is where the signal is the largest,” Christy said in the hearing, referring to the greenhouse gas effect. “We have measurements for that — it doesn’t match up with the models.”

“Because this result challenges the current theory of greenhouse warming in relatively straightforward fashion, there have been several well-funded attacks on those of us who build and use such datasets and on the datasets themselves,” Christy said.

Now, skepticism seems to have won the day — at least in terms of convincing other scientists there’s a big problem with climate models.

Fyfe’s study — which was co-authored by Michael Mann of “hockey stick” curve fame — contradicts a study by National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientists claiming there was no global warming hiatus.

“Overall, there is compelling evidence that there has been a temporary slowdown in observed global surface warming,” Hawkins wrote in a blog post about the study, noting “the most recent observed 15-year trends are all positive, but lower than most previous similar trends in the past few decades” which is a “clear demonstration that the rate of change has slowed since its peak.”

But even with the admission, some skeptics are still critical because the study’s authors employed research methods they have been critical of in the past.

“All of this said, the authors used techniques to demonstrate a slowdown, that when employed by the skeptics, are harshly criticized,” Knappenberger said. “This seems to me to indicate that the mainstream community gives a free pass to some researchers more so than others



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/26/s...ling-to-predict-global-warming/#ixzz41LUxNRax

I cannot seem to find this "new" journal article making this alleged claim. The one I CAN find is 2013, which is BEFORE the paper I linked from 2015, where the authors have clearly demonstrated the ENSO impacts on climate in the short term (decadal influences).

And the 2015 paper showed how El Nino/La Nina phases impact climate in the near term - strong La Nina phases mean we DO get hiatuses, but when El Nino phases kick back in (about 50/50 between the two), we see 2x the warming trend. And you can easily run the anslysis for yourself with online tools and see that we can get 10-20 years during ENSO La Nina dominated phases and warming will be only 0.01°C/decade, but during El Nino dominated phases, we get nearly +0.2°C/decade. Average those two values together and you get the present +0.1°C/decade warming, which is accelerating. This year's El Nino is going to bump us up another step, just like the last one did.

The Denier formula here is to take some old journal article mostly out of context, add in some random quotes from John Christy and his satellite data (which DOES show the same long term trends), and throw the propaganda out to the uneducated masses to lap up.
 
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Oh yay another troll second handle. Wonder who this is and how long until the screw up and out themselves with a miss post.
 
Again (for the hundredth time), it's BEEN proven. NO ONE, not ONE climate denier, has put forth the data indicating the natural forcing behind recent warming. Human influences have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Unfortunately, you have zero science background, and seem to think that a statistical test is the equivalent of a scientific hypothesis or model. It is not. You can prove very little in science using ONLY statistics, absent any core physics or chemistry. But when you apply statistics to the physical equations and relationships, it is quite easy to prove statistical confidence. Stastistics enhances the physical sciences, but it cannot replace them - which seems to be your expectation here, that we'd have a 'control' Earth to compare this one to. That's not how science works, but it is how naive people try to apply statistics when they have zero understanding of the system or the science. And I see that routinely in my field of work.

So, you're of the "Science is settled" crowd.

A scientist would know that science is never settled.
 
So, you're of the "Science is settled" crowd.

A scientist would know that science is never settled.

The science IS settled UNTIL someone produces new evidence or a new insight/model which displaces and improves upon the previous assumptions and science.

That hasn't happened, and I've asked YOU and several others here to produce the data/evidence which proves the natural forcing(s) behind the recent temperature increases. You haven't. None of the deniers have. None of the climatologists the deniers constantly love to cite have (Curry, Christy, etc). So, the REST of us scientists are awaiting the wonderful works you are going to put forth that turn the present climate science on its head. Just like Isaac Newton did with gravity and calculus, like Einstein did with relativity, and like Bohr/Heisenberg/Planck did with quantum physics (overturning Newton's Classical physics).

FWIW, NONE of those theories - Relativity, Quantum Mechanics) are 'settled', but they are currently the theories which best and most accurately describe experimental observations (quantum theory is one of the most successful/accurate and most meticulously tested theories ever put forth). Despite that success, hundreds of other physicists are working on things like M-Theory, String theory, quantum gravity, etc, to supercede and displace all of them. But so far, none of those theories has any experimental support where the prior theories failed, and they can more accurately describe a new phenomenon as well as explain everything else as correctly as the existing theories.

THAT is your challenge- produce the 'natural' forcings and theory which explains the recent observations BETTER THAN the human-caused influences AND can explain paleoclimate as well as current climate understandings. But instead of doing that, your side takes to the media to post drivel like the OP, which does NOT advance the scientific understanding. To any reasonable person, that should be a gigantic red flag that you are being fed false information and narrative. But some of you are too naive and scientifically illiterate to understand that.
 
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I cannot seem to find this "new" journal article making this alleged claim. The one I CAN find is 2013, which is BEFORE the paper I linked from 2015, where the authors have clearly demonstrated the ENSO impacts on climate in the short term (decadal influences).

And the 2015 paper showed how El Nino/La Nina phases impact climate in the near term - strong La Nina phases mean we DO get hiatuses, but when El Nino phases kick back in (about 50/50 between the two), we see 2x the warming trend. And you can easily run the anslysis for yourself with online tools and see that we can get 10-20 years during ENSO La Nina dominated phases and warming will be only 0.01°C/decade, but during El Nino dominated phases, we get nearly +0.2°C/decade. Average those two values together and you get the present +0.1°C/decade warming, which is accelerating. This year's El Nino is going to bump us up another step, just like the last one did.

The Denier formula here is to take some old journal article mostly out of context, add in some random quotes from John Christy and his satellite data (which DOES show the same long term trends), and throw the propaganda out to the uneducated masses to lap up.


As is demonstrated over and over again by the poorly educated, willfully ignorant denialists on here with every bogus article they spring forth upon the board, and in their proudly demonstrated incomprehension of the issue or science in general.
 
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The science IS settled UNTIL someone produces new evidence or a new insight/model which displaces and improves upon the previous assumptions and science.

That hasn't happened, and I've asked YOU and several others here to produce the data/evidence which proves the natural forcing(s) behind the recent temperature increases. You haven't. None of the deniers have. None of the climatologists the deniers constantly love to cite have (Curry, Christy, etc). So, the REST of us scientists are awaiting the wonderful works you are going to put forth that turn the present climate science on its head. Just like Isaac Newton did with gravity and calculus, like Einstein did with relativity, and like Bohr/Heisenberg/Planck did with quantum physics (overturning Newton's Classical physics).

FWIW, NONE of those theories - Relativity, Quantum Mechanics) are 'settled', but they are currently the theories which best and most accurately describe experimental observations (quantum theory is one of the most successful/accurate and most meticulously tested theories ever put forth). Despite that success, hundreds of other physicists are working on things like M-Theory, String theory, quantum gravity, etc, to supercede and displace all of them. But so far, none of those theories has any experimental support where the prior theories failed, and they can more accurately describe a new phenomenon as well as explain everything else as correctly as the existing theories.

THAT is your challenge- produce the 'natural' forcings and theory which explains the recent observations BETTER THAN the human-caused influences AND can explain paleoclimate as well as current climate understandings. But instead of doing that, your side takes to the media to post drivel like the OP, which does NOT advance the scientific understanding. To any reasonable person, that should be a gigantic red flag that you are being fed false information and narrative. But some of you are too naive and scientifically illiterate to understand that.

They get linked constantly.
 
As is demonstrated over and over again by the poorly educated, willfully ignorant denialists on here with every bogus article they spring forth upon the board, and in their proudly demonstrated incomprehension of the issue or science in general.

Ciggy. Please don't start throwing stones at education.

You damn your own personal level of education every time you attempt to link together more than three sentences of original thought.
 
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They get linked constantly.

You THINK they get linked 'constantly', but they do not.

That's because you cannot tell the difference between an Op-Ed and an actual scientific paper. And Ciggy is spot on. You are clearly out of your league on this topic (and probably most other science). But because you've probably used a cool little statistics package like Minitab or Systat or JUMP, you think you're a science genius.
 
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As is demonstrated over and over again by the poorly educated, willfully ignorant denialists on here with every bogus article they spring forth upon the board, and in their proudly demonstrated incomprehension of the issue or science in general.
We have a few people here who I suspect are paid disinformationists. I know, it sounds paranoid. But the Kochs and others of their ilk have been paying for such phony operations for decades. It's the whole concept of astroturfing.

So those few have a motive.

But what on Earth is the motive of those who are not getting paid to behave like this?

I would think that for those who do not have some cynical vested interest in misinforming, the objective would be to get the facts, the truth, or as close to it as possible with the amount of energy they are willing to invest. Why do they spend the time and effort to find and regurgitate bad information? Why do they fight so hard against good information and good sources of information? Why do they waste more time trying to poke holes in the evidence than in trying to understand the evidence?

Can someone explain that to me?
 
You THINK they get linked 'constantly', but they do not.

That's because you cannot tell the difference between an Op-Ed and an actual scientific paper. And Ciggy is spot on. You are clearly out of your league on this topic (and probably most other science). But because you've probably used a cool little statistics package like Minitab or Systat or JUMP, you think you're a science genius.

How closed off you are.
 
What's more likely, that over 97% of the world's scientists are correct, or that their vast conspiracy is uncovered by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies who ironically happen to reap a huge profit?
 
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And so emotional.

Here's a good peer reviewed study you should consider.

http://oss.sagepub.com/content/early/2016/02/05/0170840615613377.abstract

This article focuses on the dynamics and interplay of meaning, emotions, and power in institutional work. Based on an empirical study, we explore and elaborate on the rhetorical strategies of emotion work that institutional actors employ to mobilize emotions for discursive institutional work.
There's another big fat FAIL in finding anything on climate.

This sounds like sour grapes. If you have nothing to add to the topic of the thread, climate discussion, then you should consider not posting to avoid violating board rules here.
 
Screw it. I'm old. From this day until my death, I will be concerned with only my penis.

I agree. From now I will only be concerned about your penis. How's it doing by the way?

As for global warming, that article seems to settle it once and for all. No need to discuss it further.


However, I read an article that says Bigfoot exists and they eat people. I would like to know how the liberals and conservatives feel about this revelation.

What say you HROT?
 
Dear Mr. Taylor

Thank you for the attention you are giving to our research and continuing the discussion about how professional engineers and geoscientists view climate change. We would like to emphasize a few points in order to avoid any confusion about the results.

First and foremost, our study is not a representative survey. Although our data set is large and diverse enough for our research questions, it cannot be used for generalizations such as “respondents believe …” or “scientists don’t believe …” Our research reconstructs the frames the members of a professional association hold about the issue and the argumentative patterns and legitimation strategies these professionals use when articulating their assumptions. Our research does not investigate the distribution of these frames and, thus, does not allow for any conclusions in this direction. We do point this out several times in the paper, and it is important to highlight it again.

In addition, even within the confines of our non-representative data set, the interpretation that a majority of the respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of global warming is simply not correct. To the contrary: the majority believes that humans do have their hands in climate change, even if many of them believe that humans are not the only cause. What is striking is how little support that the Kyoto Protocol had among our respondents. However, it is also not the case that all frames except “Support Kyoto” are against regulation –the “Regulation Activists” mobilize for a more encompassing and more strongly enforced regulation. Correct interpretations would be, for instance, that – among our respondents – more geoscientists are critical towards regulation (and especially the Kyoto Protocol) than non-geoscientists, or that more people in higher hierarchical positions in the industry oppose regulation than people in lower hierarchical positions.

All frequencies in our paper should only be used to get an idea of the potential influence of these frames – e.g. on policy responses. Surely the insight that those who oppose regulation tend to have more influence on policy-making than the supporters of the Kyoto Protocol should not come as a surprise after Canada dropped out of the protocol a year ago.

But once again: This is not a representative survey and should not be used as such!

We trust that this clarifies our findings. Thank you again for your attention.

Best regards
Lianne Lefsrud and Renate Meyer


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...y-claims-new-study-rejects-climate-consensus/
 
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