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Hillary- The Pro War Candidate

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The N.Y. Times has come out with a devastating 3 part story about Hillary's role in leading the charge for military action in Libya. She persuaded a reluctant President Obama to get involved.

Libya is now a failed state and terrorist haven, torn apart by a civil war. ISIS controls a large part of the coast, for example.

Some choice tidbits:

Her conviction would be critical in persuading Mr. Obama to join allies in bombing Colonel Qaddafi’s forces. In fact, Mr. Obama’s defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, would later say that in a “51-49” decision, it was Mrs. Clinton’s support that put the ambivalent president over the line.

The consequences would be more far-reaching than anyone imagined, leaving Libya a failed state and a terrorist haven...

The looting of Colonel Qaddafi’s vast weapons arsenals during the intervention has fed the Syrian civil war, empowered terrorist and criminal groups from Nigeria to Sinai, and destabilized Mali, where Islamist militants stormed a Radisson hotel in November and killed 20 people.

A growing trade in humans has sent a quarter-million refugees north across the Mediterranean, with hundreds drowning en route. A civil war in Libya has left the country with two rival governments, cities in ruins and more than 4,000 dead.

Amid that fighting, the Islamic State has built its most important outpost on the Libyan shore, a redoubt to fall back upon as it is bombed in Syria and Iraq.

This is the story of how a woman whose Senate vote for the Iraq war may have doomed her first presidential campaign nonetheless doubled down and pushed for military action in another Muslim country. As she once again seeks the White House, campaigning in part on her experience as the nation’s chief diplomat, an examination of the intervention she championed shows her at what was arguably her moment of greatest influence as secretary of state. It is a working portrait rich with evidence of what kind of president she might be...


Many of Obama's advisors didn't think intervening in Libya was a good idea either:

“I think at one point I said, ‘Can I finish the two wars I’m already in before you guys go looking for a third one?’” Mr. Gates recalled. Colonel Qaddafi, he said, “was not a threat to us anywhere. He was a threat to his own people, and that was about it.”

Some senior intelligence officials had deep misgivings about what would happen if Colonel Qaddafi lost control. In recent years, the Libyan dictator had begun aiding the United States in its fight against Al Qaeda in North Africa.

“He was a thug in a dangerous neighborhood,” said Michael T. Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency at the time. “But he was keeping order.”



The story also talks about how Hillary wanted to do the same thing in Syria, starting with a no-fly zone, and more escalation of military action, but Obama had the good sense to reject her proposals this time...

It's a lengthy and detailed story, but a must read for those planning to vote for Hillary, especially anyone on the left. It's important to know exactly the kind of person you would be voting for - A war monger who is anxious to start more wars and conflict in the Middle East, and doesn't seem to learn any lessons from the past, or past mistakes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/u...ource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region
 
Well no shit Hillary is pro war. She's also in the pocket of Wall Street and won't do jack for the progressive cause. Makes you wonder why the Republicans aren't voting for her?
 
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Just another on the list of reasons I'll never vote for her. Does make me view Obama even more positively, just wish he had more spine to ignore her.
 
Hillary Clinton Is Backed by Major Republican Donors
Posted on February 22, 2016 by Eric Zuesse.
Eric Zuesse

An analysis of Federal Election Commission records, by TIME, which was published on 23 October 2015, showed that the 2012 donors to Romney’s campaign were already donating more to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign than they had been donating to any one of the 2016 campaigns of — listed here in declining order below Clinton — Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul, Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie, Rick Perry, Mike Huckabee, Donald Trump, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, George Pataki, or Jim Gilmore. Those major Romney donors also gave a little to two Democrats (other than to Hillary — who, as mentioned, received a lot of donations from these Republican donors): Martin O’Malley, Jim Web, and Lawrence Lessig. (Romney’s donors gave nothing to Bernie Sanders, and nothing to Elizabeth Warren. They don’t want either of those people to become President.)

Clinton is the only Democratic candidate who is even moderately attractive to big Republican donors.

In ascending order above Clinton, Romney’s donors were donating to: John Kasich, Scott Walker, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Jeb Bush. The top trio — of Bush, Cruz, and Rubio — together, received around 60% of all the money donated for the 2016 race by the people who had funded Mitt Romney’s 2012 drive for the White House.


So: the Democrat Hillary Clinton scored above 14 candidates, and below 6 candidates. She was below 6 Republican candidates, and she was above 11 Republican candidates (Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul, Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie, Rick Perry, Mike Huckabee, Donald Trump, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, George Pataki, and Jim Gilmore). The 6 candidates she scored below were: Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Scott Walker, and John Kasich.

This means that, in the entire 17-candidate Republican field, she drew more Republican money than did any one of 11 of the Republican candidates, but less Republican money than did any one of 6 of them. So, if she were a Republican (in what would then have been an 18-candidate Republican field for 2016), she would have been the 7th-from-the-top recipient of Romney-donor money.

Therefore, to Republican donors, Hillary Clinton is a more attractive prospect for the U.S. Presidency than was 64% of the then-current 17-member Republican field of candidates.

Another way to view this is that, to Republican donors, a President Hillary Clinton was approximately as attractive a Presidential prospect to lead the nation as was a President Graham, or a President Kasich — and was a more attractive prospective President than a President Lindsey Graham, a President Rand Paul, a President Carly Fiorina, a President Chris Christie, a President Rick Perry, a President Mike Huckabee, a President Donald Trump, a President Bobby Jindal, a President Rick Santorum, or a President George Pataki.

To judge from Clinton’s actual record of policy-decisions, and excluding any consideration of her current campaign-rhetoric (which is directed only at Democratic voters), all three of those candidates who were in Clinton’s Republican-donor league — Graham, Clinton, and Kasich — would, indeed, be quite similar, from the perceived self-interest standpoint of the major Republican donors.

As to whether any one of those three candidates as President would be substantially worse for Republican donors than would any one of the Republican big-three — Bush, Cruz, and Rubio — a person can only speculate.

However, the main difference between Clinton and the Republican candidates is certainly the rhetoric, not the reality. The reason for that Democratic rhetoric is that Ms. Clinton is competing right now only for Democratic votes, while each one of the Republican candidates is competing right now only for Republican votes.

Hillary Clinton’s rhetoric is liberal, but her actual actions in politics have been conservative, except for her nominal support for liberal initiatives that attracted even some Republican support, or else that the Senate vote-counts (at the time when she was in the Senate) indicated in-advance had no real chance of becoming passed into law. In other words: her record was one of rhetoric and pretense on a great many issues, and of meaningful action on only issues that wouldn’t embarrass her in a Democratic primary campaign, to attract Democratic voters.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/02/hillary-clinton-backed-major-republican-donors.html
 
Only Bernie will keep the peace. Clinton, Trump, Cruz and Rubio all promise trillions more in blood and treasure lost. Fiscal cons would be wise to elect the socialist.
 
Well no shit Hillary is pro war. She's also in the pocket of Wall Street and won't do jack for the progressive cause. Makes you wonder why the Republicans aren't voting for her?
That is really easy to answer

If Republicans say they don't want her to be President that will insure that Democrats will come out and vote for her. All part of the Republicans plan and Trump is just a diversion.
 
Well no shit Hillary is pro war. She's also in the pocket of Wall Street and won't do jack for the progressive cause. Makes you wonder why the Republicans aren't voting for her?

Really makes me wonder why you are voting for her.
 
Can't disagree with the article. This is the most depressing election of my lifetime. Jill Stein is worthy of support for Bernie supporters. Its sad that people are being scared to her by Trump.

Nixon with a pant suit
 
Well no shit Hillary is pro war. She's also in the pocket of Wall Street and won't do jack for the progressive cause. Makes you wonder why the Republicans aren't voting for her?

Makes me wonder why you will vote for her.
 
We've already covered this in this exact thread.

I'd accuse you of being Repeating Rubio, but we all know his hands are so big that he can't type.

Yea, 86, Red is a Republican now. Don't piss him off. He may go back to being a Dem.
 
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