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House OKs Ernst's Right to Pollute Measure

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Republicans wasting time and effort again on another symbolic vote:

The House voted Wednesday to strike down an Obama administration rule that critics say would give the federal government too much authority to oversee wetlands, streams and other small waterways.

The resolution passed the House largely along party lines at 253-166, with Iowa's three Republicans voting for it and Rep. Dave Loebsack, its lone Democrat, opposing the measure. But the vote is expected to be largely symbolic, because the White House has promised to veto the measure.

Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, had proposed the measure in the Senate, where it passed in November by a 53-44 vote.

“Today’s House passage of my legislation to scrap the expanded (Waters of the U.S.) rule is a major step forward toward stopping this blatant (Environmental Protection Agency) power grab,” Ernst said. “President Obama must now decide between an unchecked federal agency or the livelihoods of those in our rural communities who say this rule must be stopped.”

Republicans and agriculture groups say the rule is nothing more than a land grab that gives the government too much power to regulate their land and potentially subject ditches, stream beds and self-made ponds on their property to new oversight. As a result, farmers worry they would have to pay for costly environmental assessments and apply for more permits.

The EPA and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers have said the rule is needed in the wake of a pair of Supreme Court rulings, in order to clarify the Clean Water Act by specifying the types of bodies of water regulated by the 1972 measure. Democrats and environmental groups contend the regulations are needed to limit pollution in small waterways and wetlands that 117 million Americans depend on for drinking water.

The EPA warned following the Senate vote that rejecting the rule “would sow confusion and invite conflict at a time when our communities and businesses need clarity and certainty around clean water regulation.”

Collin O'Mara, president of the National Wildlife Federation, said the House was not doing enough to protect the country’s water.

“By overwhelming margins, Americans want to see their streams and drinking water protected, not polluted or destroyed,” he said. “Today’s vote defies the will of the American people."

For now, the changes to the Clean Water Act are not being implemented because a federal court blocked the measure last year, pending the outcome of lawsuits filed by more than a dozen states.

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/...nsts-measure-block-obama-water-rule/78747858/
 
What's important to realize is that measures like this will become law if there's a Republican in the White House. Moreover, it's likely the EPA will be further gutted, regulations will be further weakened, and government efforts to deal with climate change will be delayed or reversed.

Obama has been underwhelming in this arena, but some progress has been made. Imagine how much worse it would have been - and will be - with a Republican president.
 
I thought Ernst was a conservative, not a socialist. So she, and a majority of Congress, believes some people should just be allowed to poison the water (for private profit) and expect everyone else to live with it or pay to clean it up. Who do these people represent, anyway?
 
What's important to realize is that measures like this will become law if there's a Republican in the White House. Moreover, it's likely the EPA will be further gutted, regulations will be further weakened, and government efforts to deal with climate change will be delayed or reversed.

Obama has been underwhelming in this arena, but some progress has been made. Imagine how much worse it would have been - and will be - with a Republican president.

The EPA is a gigantic scumbag organization that drags down the economy. We'd be better without it.
 
The EPA is a gigantic scumbag organization that drags down the economy. We'd be better without it.

The EPA is far from perfect and can be tough. However, the alternative is not pretty. People undervalue clean water. We have a problem in Iowa and its related to ag runoff, thankfully they addressed it.
 
Really, how do you propose to enforce the Clean Water Act? Hope and Prayer?
Nah. Let the market take care of it. Enough people die and get sick and after a year or 2 people will begin to notice. See Flint Michigan as a case in point.

Then the market will kick in and people will start buying bottled water, water testing kits, filters and such.

Unsafe water will create many new jobs. We should encourage that by subsidizing the dirtiest polluters.

The EPA keeps those jobs from happening. The EPA is evil. Shut it down. Let the market decide.
 
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Of course, if we don't have the EPA we will be a 3rd world country.

You need some sort of enforcement mechanism to avoid just that. The EPA has flaws. I don't hold them in particular high esteem, but someone needs to show a convincing alternative.
 
Of course, if we don't have the EPA we will be a 3rd world country.
Yeah, actually. Clean air and water aren't the only things that matter, but they are a darn good measure of how civilized a nation is.

We used to know that. Left and right agreed on it. From Nader to Nixon.

But the GOP no longer agrees.

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You need some sort of enforcement mechanism to avoid just that. The EPA has flaws. I don't hold them in particular high esteem, but someone needs to show a convincing alternative.
We need a better-funded, more-robust EPA with an aggressive environmentalist in charge.

I would appoint RFK, jr. The name recognition alone would be worth it, but he's a legit voice in the environment world.
 
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Breadbags goes down again. Her body of work is trash so far. First a bill based on propaganda videos. Now a bill to keep our water dirty. She will be a one term Senator.
 
How in the hell did the GOP get to this point where they view the EPA as the bad guy? For chrissake, the EPA was created by a Republican President.
 
I was surprised they didn't have Ernst deliver the State of the Union rebuttal.
Not for another 45 years. That's how long it takes Joni to come up with a single working class story she thinks Americans will relate to.
 
Not for another 45 years. That's how long it takes Joni to come up with a single working class story she thinks Americans will relate to.
They could have written the speech for her. I'm not suggesting they give her free rein. I'm just surprised they aren't using their puppet more.
 
It is how it is being USED by the current administration.
Give me a break. Not only does the GOP want to axe the EPA, they want to axe the FDA, the Department of Education, the IRS, the Department of Commerce, and just about any other agency they think is a threat to them. You're telling me that Obama has changed how all of these agencies do business? Not buying it.
 
Give me a break. Not only does the GOP want to axe the EPA, they want to axe the FDA, the Department of Education, the IRS, the Department of Commerce, and just about any other agency they think is a threat to them. You're telling me that Obama has changed how all of these agencies do business? Not buying it.
Hey numbnut's you were talking about the EPA!!!!!
 
If in your demented world that is something that is in any way an attainable goal you live in another solar system.
 
If in your demented world that is something that is in any way an attainable goal you live in another solar system.
At this point I don't even know what you're talking about. Attainable goal? What attainable goal? The only goal I see is that the GOP somehow wants to end all these different agencies. If that's your complaint, perhaps you should take your beef to them. And yes, I agree that thinking you can end all these agencies is ridiculous.
 
What's important to realize is that measures like this will become law if there's a Republican in the White House. Moreover, it's likely the EPA will be further gutted, regulations will be further weakened, and government efforts to deal with climate change will be delayed or reversed.

Obama has been underwhelming in this arena, but some progress has been made. Imagine how much worse it would have been - and will be - with a Republican president.

So exactly what are teh GW people proposing that will stop GW and reverse it. Spending trillions to slow it down a little is a complete waste of time.
 
We are talking water quality and our state is one of the worst in the nation due to ag runoff and the farmers don't want to be regulated. Its really that simple.

They talk about voluntary measures that will work, but won't even agree to performance measures for those.
 
At this point I don't even know what you're talking about. Attainable goal? What attainable goal? The only goal I see is that the GOP somehow wants to end all these different agencies. If that's your complaint, perhaps you should take your beef to them. And yes, I agree that thinking you can end all these agencies is ridiculous.
You trust these agencies? Why? Farmers can not be trusted, but agencies can?
 
We are talking water quality and our state is one of the worst in the nation due to ag runoff and the farmers don't want to be regulated. Its really that simple.

They talk about voluntary measures that will work, but won't even agree to performance measures for those.
Water laws have already been proven to drastically clean up waterways. Look no further than the effect the Clean Water Act has had on the Great Lakes. Before the Lakes were a mess, now they support a $500 billion a year fishing industry.
 
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