How many Basketball programs ineligible come March?

[Teldar]

With the FBI investigation just beginning, I am wondering how many teams are going to be ineligible in March. This could be the most fascinating Sunday Selection show ever. It also means there'e never been a better chance for a no name school to win the NCAA championship than this year (and maybe the next couple).

My guess is there will be at least 15 schools that are ineligible, maybe more.

 

[DanL53]

Many variables.

But here is a gif which I think explains what is going to happen to certain programs in the next several years:

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

None

 

[Teldar]

None

I'll take the over on that for any amount of money you want to wager.

 

[Scott559]

None

Agree

 

[Mohawkeye]

The NCAA doesn't move that fast.

 

[DanL53]

The NCAA doesn't move that fast.

No, but I can imagine several programs self-penalizing to avoid bigger problems.

 

[Scott559]

No, but I can imagine several programs self-penalizing to avoid bigger problems.

If Western Kentucky self penalizes NCAA will double the penalty, If Duke self penalizes NCAA will reward with 5 year auto advancement to sweet sixteen for showing exceptional leadership and integrity.

 

[Mohawkeye]

No, but I can imagine several programs self-penalizing to avoid bigger problems.

Technically, they wouldn't be ineligible. But still, I think you overestimate the speed at which this is going to move. I highly doubt that the criminal aspect of this will be resolved before March 2018. My guess is most schools will take their time and let the criminal proceedings conclude before they do anythinng more than fire coaches. Unless their teams aren't going to make the tournament anyway.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Agree that the legal system will not move quick enough to make schools ineligible by early next year, but there could be quite a few schools looking to minimize the penalty by removing some coaches/ADs, and hoping to get a "plea deal" by self-penalizing.

 

[tumorboy]

I've seen Zona & USC rated in the preseason top ten. Come selection Sunday if I'm running a clean program & a bunch of known dirty teams are in I'm a little ticked if left out. Being Tourney eligible in my mind isn't the same as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. These programs are compromised imo.

 

[kceasthawk]

I've seen Zona & USC rated in the preseason top ten. Come selection Sunday if I'm running a clean program & a bunch of known dirty teams are in I'm a little ticked if left out. Being Tourney eligible in my mind isn't the same as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. These programs are compromised imo.

Unfortunately it didn't keep UNC from going all the way.......

 

[Jprimus]

Hopefully many, many, many of the top basketball schools are ineligible or self-report their improprieties. Hawks ticket to the Final Four, baby!

 

[kceasthawk]

I'd rather beat their asses on the court then have an asterick next to a Final Four appearance. And yes, I think we can get there in the next two or three years.

 

[24 so far]

I'd rather beat their asses on the court then have an asterick next to a Final Four appearance. And yes, I think we can get there in the next two or three years.

Whoa Nelly! Pull the reins in just a bit there big fella.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

I'd rather beat their asses on the court then have an asterick next to a Final Four appearance. And yes, I think we can get there in the next two or three years.

Yeah, but it seems like most of the teams that have won over the years should also have asterisks next to their name. That is assuming that their names will even be listed in a few years.

Assuming that we are clean, how many more tourney appearances would we have had and how farther would we have gone in the ones we made if everyone else was too?

Heck we’ve already seen us lose out on a Big Ten championship in the 90’s because of cheating at Minnesota. We should have split the title with Purdue that year.

 

[DanL53]

Yeah, but it seems like most of the teams that have won over the years should also have asterisks next to their name. That is assuming that their names will even be listed in a few years.

Assuming that we are clean, how many more tourney appearances would we have had and how farther would we have gone in the ones we made if everyone else was too?

Heck we’ve already seen us lose out on a Big Ten championship in the 90’s because of cheating at Minnesota. We should have split the title with Purdue that year.

And Michigan and the Big Ten should be wondering about Louisville's National Championship.

 

[kceasthawk]

Whoa Nelly! Pull the reins in just a bit there big fella.

Why exactly? Fran is bringing in the best group of talent we've had since our last elite 8 appearance. Might as well look at it with a glass half full.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

I think it's fair to have high hopes. You make the torunament and get hot... sky's the limit. Look at some of the teams last year.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

And Michigan and the Big Ten should be wondering about Louisville's National Championship.

Yep.

Look at all of the major programs that have “scandals” with barely a hand slap.

Louisville
U Conn
North Carolina
Syracuse

All of those teams have won at least one title in the last 15 years for a total of 8. All of them have had some scandal during that time period. And that doesn’t take into account the smoke surrounding Kentucky since Calipari tends to cheat wherever he goes.

 

[DanL53]

Yep.

Look at all of the major programs that have “scandals” with barely a hand slap.

Louisville
U Conn
North Carolina
Syracuse

All of those teams have won at least one title in the last 15 years for a total of 8. All of them have had some scandal during that time period. And that doesn’t take into account the smoke surrounding Kentucky since Calipari tends to cheat wherever he goes.

Compared to the rest of College Basketball, the B1G is pretty clean. Thanks for posting this info!

 

[chaneccooms]

It's important to keep reminding yourself that the NCAA is, above all else, cowardly. Look at Penn State football and North Carolina basketball.

 

[unIowa]

No, but I can imagine several programs self-penalizing to avoid bigger problems.

Technically, they wouldn't be ineligible. But still, I think you overestimate the speed at which this is going to move. I highly doubt that the criminal aspect of this will be resolved before March 2018. My guess is most schools will take their time and let the criminal proceedings conclude before they do anythinng more than fire coaches. Unless their teams aren't going to make the tournament anyway.

This is my guess as well. Look for first sanctions to be laid down against programs in 2018/19 season. Coaching bans will happen prior to school sanctions happening.

 

[millhawk]

Cleveland State is waiting for the ban hammer.

 

[Ronman]

I'd rather beat their asses on the court then have an asterick next to a Final Four appearance. And yes, I think we can get there in the next two or three years.

Cheating at the highest level has gotten so bad that one day, I suspect the NCAA will have to consider the same standard for their records as the Baseball HofF are considering for theirs, i.e. a special wing for the exceptional players that were known juicers.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

NCAA moves at a glacial pace. And their tendency will be to move as slow as possible to keep the gravy train rolling. Everything will be "under investigation" and "waiting for all the facts" as long as they possibly can. They're more than likely thinking they can get one more March Madness completed before they're forced to hand out major penalties.

 

[chitownUofI05]

And Michigan and the Big Ten should be wondering about Louisville's National Championship.

While we're playing that game, Illinois will take its 2005 National Title ANY time.

 

[Myvue]

While we're playing that game, Illinois will take its 2005 National Title ANY time.

When a team get stripped of a championship can they actually award it to the loser of the championship game?

Funny how after the first bomb shell all seems to be relatively quiet from the FBI reports. If it can be proven what players received the freebies they should have to repay it. Probably would cost more to pursue it than what would be repaid.

 

[mazda1]

I'd guess the lawyers get involved and these kids who have had others take the cash for them get to play until it's proven they knew. By then they are NBA bound.

The shoe companies will have a fall guy or two, the assts. will get nailed and the coaches get a hand slap if they aren't on tape. The cheating universities will clean house and self punish themselves on the way to the bank to make deposits and then build even better facilities.

Oh and the NCCA will be unable to get to NC ' cause they've got all these ivestigations to do.

 

[kceasthawk]

When a team get stripped of a championship can they actually award it to the loser of the championship game?

Funny how after the first bomb shell all seems to be relatively quiet from the FBI reports. If it can be proven what players received the freebies they should have to repay it. Probably would cost more to pursue it than what would be repaid.

NO, I believe even if they vacate the title, I don't think the other team is automatically given it. I mean when you think about it, they would have to win at least seven games to win the title correct? Technically any one of those teams they beat, could have advanced in the bracket, had they not played "Cheater U". It's possible anyone of those teams could have played for the title.

 

[Myvue]

Ole Roy just landed another five star recruit.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...assir-little-commits-north-carolina-tar-heels

In another article I wonder what Coach K is exactly saying here! Seems he's going in circles but seems to agree with shoe companies paying kids. Could he be pleading guilty?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...lue-devils-discusses-state-college-basketball

 

[DanL53]

"Last week was bad, doesn't mean all of college basketball is bad," Krzyzewski said. "It also doesn't mean that it's necessarily the tip of some iceberg. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think the iceberg is really good."

So unless caught on tape by the NCAA denial is still the way to go? One handler from one shoe company was caught. The FBI continues to investigate. And the iceberg is still really good?

 

[hawk-i bob]

"Last week was bad, doesn't mean all of college basketball is bad," Krzyzewski said. "It also doesn't mean that it's necessarily the tip of some iceberg. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think the iceberg is really good."

So unless caught on tape by the NCAA denial is still the way to go? One handler from one shoe company was caught. The FBI continues to investigate. And the iceberg is still really good?

Krzyzewski's response is nothing but lip service & political in tone.

 

[Ronman]

Interesting sign considering: (1) The kid's AAU program director was one of the guys arrested by the FBI last week, (2) He ruled out Arizona and Miami due to their names coming up in the investigation and (3) UNC would seemingly have it's own problems with the NCAA at this point. Evidently, Williams has convinced this kid that the school is going to skate on all the charges that have been raised by the NCAA.

 

[mazda1]

After witnessing the NCAA delaying everything about NC the kid is probably assuming they'll skate. Worse yet, he's probably right.

 

[DodgerHawki]

When a team get stripped of a championship can they actually award it to the loser of the championship game?

Funny how after the first bomb shell all seems to be relatively quiet from the FBI reports. If it can be proven what players received the freebies they should have to repay it. Probably would cost more to pursue it than what would be repaid.

I wouldn't take no new information as a sign nothing is happening. Investigations that are complex with different people take time. This isn't an NCAA investigation, where all that has to happen is for 1 assistant to fall on his sword for it to end. As others have pointed out, the NCAA can't subpoena bank records, phone records or compel testimony. The FBI can do all those things. If/when the people currently charged start talking give up more names to lessen their own punishment, the FBI can start going after records of those new targets. And the cycle repeats itself.

Will this have lasting change for NCAA basketball? We don't know that yet.

 

[chitownUofI05]

When a team get stripped of a championship can they actually award it to the loser of the championship game?

Funny how after the first bomb shell all seems to be relatively quiet from the FBI reports. If it can be proven what players received the freebies they should have to repay it. Probably would cost more to pursue it than what would be repaid.

No, we wouldn't get anything. Still sucks to know we lost to players who probably should have been ineligible in a very badly officiated game that went down to the wire. 12 years later and still not over it!

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Unfortunately it didn't keep UNC from going all the way.......

UNC's hammer is coming next week.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

It's important to keep reminding yourself that the NCAA is, above all else, cowardly. Look at Penn State football and North Carolina basketball.

UNC is gonna get their sanctions announced next week. I think they'll have to forfeit the 05 and 09 titles, vacate over half of Roy's wins and 2 year post season ban.