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How Many Syrian Refugees Should the US Take In?

Nov 28, 2010
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[from an email]

War and famine have displaced more than 11 million Syrians. Germany—whose population is one-fourth ours—is accepting 800,000 refugees this year, yet the United States has only committed to accepting up to 8,000 Syrian refugees next year.


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Is 8,000 enough? What do you think "our share" should be?

I saw one recommendation for 65,000. Does that sound reasonable?
 
Austin is a sanctuary city and takes in millions of Mexicans and people from south America, maybe Austin could absorb several million of them? let them live with our mayor and city council folks
 
[from an email]

War and famine have displaced more than 11 million Syrians. Germany—whose population is one-fourth ours—is accepting 800,000 refugees this year, yet the United States has only committed to accepting up to 8,000 Syrian refugees next year.


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Is 8,000 enough? What do you think "our share" should be?

I saw one recommendation for 65,000. Does that sound reasonable?

US should take them all in based on the reports i am reading about how the West hasn't done enough to stop Assad over the last four yrs. Pretty amazing the hypocrisy that is being reported right now. Lots of arab nations pointing fingers now suggesting that WE and others let this civil war go on too long.
 
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US should take them all in based on the reports i am reading about how the West hasn't done enough to stop Assad over the last four yrs. Pretty amazing the hypocrisy that is being reported right now. Lots of arab nations pointing fingers now suggesting that WE and others let this civil war go on too long.

We should IQ and skills test them and take the top million.

As to us running into another country (with our military) to fix their issues, we shouldn't do that at all. We should turn our backs and let survival of the fittest rule the day.
 
We're already taking in more than our share of Mexican refugees. How about we trade a few million Mexicans with Germany for some Syrians and some Eastern Europeans to be named later?
 
I hate to sound like an isolationist, but we couldn't tell the good guys from the bad guys in the first place and that is a big reason we couldn't do anything in Syria. Hard to do anything without knowing if we have allies.

The fact is, we really didn't have allies. Much like the rest of the Middle East we can interject our influence in the form of troops, weapons, aid and for a time we make friends, but never for long.

So, now were supposed to take in refugees who I am sure will be more than glad to take the help...and then what?

No. I'm not going to waste my time typing the history of our failed efforts in the Middle East. I say screw the oil, let gas go up to $10.00 a gallon until we solve the problem some other way. Pull out of the Middle East and that means taking no refugees.
 
Would there even be a Syrian refugee problem if the US and its allies hadn't decided to foment regime change in Syria? The world and Assad were coexisting fairly peacefully until we decided that wasn't good enough.

Heck, would there even be an ISIS problem if we hadn't given them a playfield to recruit, gather weapons and practice tactics in?
 
As many as WWJD's assisted living facility unit can make room for.
My mansion is already pretty full. I suppose I could free up one of my game rooms and make some room in the hanger I use for my car collection.

But you raise an interesting question. I wonder if our government provides any incentives to take in refugees.

Suppose you had the space to take in a family. Husband, wife, a couple kids. Then what? If you are well off, I guess you can support them for a while - but for how long? Are there services to help the adults get jobs? Learn the language? Pay for food, medical care, etc? What about getting the kids in school - especially if they don't speak English?

There are probably plenty of people of modest means who would make room to help a refugee or a few refugees - IF the expenses like food, extra utilities costs and such were taken care of.
 
I hate to sound like an isolationist, but we couldn't tell the good guys from the bad guys in the first place and that is a big reason we couldn't do anything in Syria. Hard to do anything without knowing if we have allies.

The fact is, we really didn't have allies. Much like the rest of the Middle East we can interject our influence in the form of troops, weapons, aid and for a time we make friends, but never for long.

So, now were supposed to take in refugees who I am sure will be more than glad to take the help...and then what?

No. I'm not going to waste my time typing the history of our failed efforts in the Middle East. I say screw the oil, let gas go up to $10.00 a gallon until we solve the problem some other way. Pull out of the Middle East and that means taking no refugees.
You don't think our efforts to oust Assad - which led to this appalling civil war and the rise of ISIS - makes us responsible?
 
A better question is ...How did BHO"s decisions on Syria and Libya affect the refugee crisis currently going on and further how did those decisions affect the growth of terrorism in the Mideast. I think both are a larger problem than GWB and the mistake that was Iraq
 
US should take them all in based on the reports i am reading about how the West hasn't done enough to stop Assad over the last four yrs. Pretty amazing the hypocrisy that is being reported right now. Lots of arab nations pointing fingers now suggesting that WE and others let this civil war go on too long.
That's not the argument I've seen, and not the argument I would make, but are they wrong?
 
Can you explain why you don't think we have any responsibility to help those harmed by our actions and the changes they provoked?

Real simple, why start now? There have been plenty of times in our brief history where we've harmed people, both in our country and without. I'm not saying it's right, but if we're going to start making amends for our failures, why bump Syrian refugees to the top of the list?

And, I think you are ascribing too much blame on the U.S. in this case.
 
[1] Real simple, why start now? There have been plenty of times in our brief history where we've harmed people, both in our country and without. I'm not saying it's right, but if we're going to start making amends for our failures,

[2] ...why bump Syrian refugees to the top of the list?

[3] And, I think you are ascribing too much blame on the U.S. in this case.

[1] Because it's the moral thing to do?

[2] Fair point, but why not? There's a clear need. We should also be concerned with others in need - I'm not suggesting we only concern ourselves with Syrian refugees. If you want to focus on another demographic first, what do you suggest? Unfortunately, most people who use this gambit do NOT want us to start by helping another group, they don't want to help ANY group.

[3] I guess you haven't been paying attention. This is RECENT history, Dan. No excuse for not recognizing the US role.
 
[1] Because it's the moral thing to do?

[2] Fair point, but why not? There's a clear need. We should also be concerned with others in need - I'm not suggesting we only concern ourselves with Syrian refugees. If you want to focus on another demographic first, what do you suggest? Unfortunately, most people who use this gambit do NOT want us to start by helping another group, they don't want to help ANY group.

[3] I guess you haven't been paying attention. This is RECENT history, Dan. No excuse for not recognizing the US role.


Morals and WWJD?


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I think I read that the Pope recommended every Catholic parrish adopt ONE family. I think that would be a good idea.
 
[1] Because it's the moral thing to do?

[2] Fair point, but why not? There's a clear need. We should also be concerned with others in need - I'm not suggesting we only concern ourselves with Syrian refugees. If you want to focus on another demographic first, what do you suggest? Unfortunately, most people who use this gambit do NOT want us to start by helping another group, they don't want to help ANY group.

[3] I guess you haven't been paying attention. This is RECENT history, Dan. No excuse for not recognizing the US role.

Good discussion.

1) I'm not sure it would be the moral thing to do. I'm not impressed with our recent track record of handling refugees. I'm not confident we could even match the "efforts" we made regarding the Cuban boat people and I'm actually afraid the Syrian refugees would find very little in the way of open arms. We would be doing them no favors bringing them here.

2) My first thought was Native Americans. My second was illegal immigrants who for decades have faced our indecision about what to do about them. In one case we left people in what amounts to perpetual poverty, in the other they sit and watch while we debate between making them citizens or rounding them up and deporting them. At some point we have to decide this!

3) Yeah, I probably haven't been paying enough attention. From what I understand there is a bad leader over there, we can't do much about it, we made some efforts that didn't work. So I don't get how that is all our fault? This is why I resist ever playing policeman in the Middle East, and now we're supposed to pay for when our efforts fail? You think we screwed up on purpose? Oh, *%* that! No more "help"...let's just get out.
 
There has been 10,000 years of this kind of strife in the Middle East.

Let's not pretend that out infant nation is responsible for that.
 
We should take in as many each person wanting to bring them in can house. No government funding their hosts can be responsible for them
 
3) Yeah, I probably haven't been paying enough attention. From what I understand there is a bad leader over there, we can't do much about it, we made some efforts that didn't work. So I don't get how that is all our fault? This is why I resist ever playing policeman in the Middle East, and now we're supposed to pay for when our efforts fail? You think we screwed up on purpose? Oh, *%* that! No more "help"...let's just get out.
I can agree with your first 2 comments, but let's look at this one.

Assad was not a "bad ruler" until we decided to start portraying him as a bad ruler. Prior to the civil war he compares fairly with nearby rulers like King Abdullah of Jordan or Turkey's Erdogan. All strong man rulers; only Erdogan subject to actual elections. Abdullah is our guy. Erdogan is his own guy. Assad tries to be his own guy but has ties to Iran and Russia. Not their puppet, but ties.

Since Syria was frisky in Lebanon a decade or 2 ago, Assad has been a fairly reliable actor in the ME. We have worked with him on a number of issues, while agreeing to disagree on others. Israel doesn't like him because he supports Hezbollah, but Hezbollah, too, has moved in the direction of being only a minor irritant - as it seeks to follow a sort-of IRA path toward political legitimacy on the Lebanese political scene.

So . . . 7 or 8 years ago or so, Assad was not our pal but someone we could work with. We would rather have someone friendly to Israel there who wasn't a Russian client and was less friendly with Iran, but we seemed to have reached a workable accommodation.

Then comes the Arab Spring.

At some point after we witnesses the success of Arab Spring in Tunisia and what looked like its success in Egypt, we saw it start several other places - including Libya and Syria. Whereas the protests in Tunisia were clearly spontaneous pro-democracy movements, and the ones in Egypt started that way, by the time we get to some of the later protests we see legit pro-democracy movements being supported and subverted by the US, Saudi Arabia and other actors with no interest in democracy or freedom.

The Arab Spring "mechanism" was viewed as a way to bring down governments we don't like. Assad, Gaddafi, Yanukovich. So we sowed ferment, funded selected protestors and, as things progressed in the desired direction, armed the combatants.

I suggest you glance at this timeline. Scroll down to 2008 and you can easily see how relations with Assad were going pretty well - until we decided to shift objectives to regime change.

After you check that timeline, I recommend searching for analyses like those of STRATFOR - often substantiated by official documents made available through Wikileaks - which don't pretend that our hands are clean in these pseudo-democratic movements.
 
Link(s) please. I glanced, but nothing leapt out at me.

The entire first section this am was essentially dedicated to the topic. Start with article on page 12 and then go to front page story continued on pg 15.
If you want more over-the-top heart-strings crap, big article in International section on page 11 i think. Lots of first hand migrant accounts.
 
The entire first section this am was essentially dedicated to the topic. Start with article on page 12 and then go to front page story continued on pg 15.
If you want more over-the-top heart-strings crap, big article in International section on page 11 i think. Lots of first hand migrant accounts.
That's no help for those of us looking at the NYT on line. Sure, I see articles on the Pope's call for churches to support refugees. And I see articles about refguees making it out of Hungary. And so on. But how does this fit what you were saying?

And what's wrong with articles that tug the heartstrings?

Anyway . . . the claim I was questioning was this: "Lots of arab nations pointing fingers now suggesting that WE and others let this civil war go on too long."

As I said, I haven't seen that claim. But I don't necessarily disagree with it. Where are you seeing this claim, and do you disagree with it? You seemed to be mocking it.
 
I read the timeline, WWJD. My opinion doesn't change. It seems to me there are far more responsible parties than the United States. And if we did make mistakes, it was with good intentions, intentions which I believe were welcomed at the time..by SOMEBODY we felt we could support.

And again, that's the problem, identifying who we can trust to uphold respectable levels of human rights. Best we had stayed out of the whole thing, best we get out. But we aren't the big evil monster that caused this strife. Far from it.
 
That's no help for those of us looking at the NYT on line. Sure, I see articles on the Pope's call for churches to support refugees. And I see articles about refguees making it out of Hungary. And so on. But how does this fit what you were saying?

And what's wrong with articles that tug the heartstrings?

Anyway . . . the claim I was questioning was this: "Lots of arab nations pointing fingers now suggesting that WE and others let this civil war go on too long."

As I said, I haven't seen that claim. But I don't necessarily disagree with it. Where are you seeing this claim, and do you disagree with it? You seemed to be mocking it.

Cmon guy. Are you actually the person who sits in front of a computer 20 hours a day?

I can't help you if you can't find the Sunday NY Times.

To your other questions. I do not hate articles that tug at heartstrings. I just am not a fan of them being in the news portion of the paper. Please list it in the editorial section- maybe that is just my pet peeve. I read the Times for their access and they constantly dissapoint which i guess puts the onus on me.

Maybe i am mocking it. I am stunned by what i am now reading as the press has made this a world issue and the pressure is being applied thru questions being asked of various leaders in places like Saudi, Qattar, UAE, Athens etc. (Haven't heard from any Russians yet that i know of). They DO NOT like being take to task on this. The article i read- which i bet you will be able to find- talks of the massive wealth of the neighboring Arab countries and how they are not 'pulling their weight' in making accommodations for those seeking asylum. The respondents are pointing to the West saying- hey its your fault for allowing this -or as you pointed out earlier- causing this by screwing with Assad.

Maybe its just BAU, but it hypocritical when these people have had 100s of years of issues in the region and now as there is a mass migration, very few, other than Germany seem to be willing to stand up and take these people. BTW- Germany taking IN huge amounts of displaced people from a war is truly poetic historical justice.
 
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