I hate the fouling at end of games

[QChawks]

I know there isn't much that can be done about it either, I just hate the idea of committing a foul in attempt to extend the game.

unless they somehow penalize the defense, like under a minute left a foul runs 15 seconds off the clock, I don't see how anything changes.

/rant

 

[TampaHawkfan]

Agreed but what I REALLY hate is all the timeouts. Teams are given way too many IMO. Maybe give them 1 or 2 per half (or per game) at most, and that's it. It used to be 5, but now it's 4 per game. Still too many. Then you have all the media timeouts on top of it.

Seems coaches just tend to hoard TO's until the end of the game, and then the last minute of every reasonably close game: Timeout. Timeout. Timeout. Timeout. Timeout. Timeout. Timeout. Timeout. Timeout. Timeout.

I exaggerate obviously but it gets really boring sitting there watching teams standing around in timeout huddles for 10 minutes at the end of every reasonably close game. Then add in all the fouling.

I'd rather teams just have to play the game basically on the fly without calling timeout after every play to "discuss their strategy". It takes freaking forever...

 

[bansheexyz]

The only way to stop this is to play to a point value like 75 instead of having a game clock. But that would be a dramatic change. This would also stop the "last posession" strategy of dribbling in place for 20 seconds before chucking up a prayer because it's better than giving your opponent the last shot (before the half, or in a tie game late).

 

[TampaHawkfan]

The only way to stop this is to play to a point value like 75 instead of having a game clock. But that would be a dramatic change. This would also stop the "last posession" strategy of dribbling in place for 20 seconds before chucking up a prayer because it's better than giving your opponent the last shot (before the half, or in a tie game late).

Yes, like whoever has the lead when you hit the 5 minute mark (which guess in essence would mean a 15 minute second half) and then just play to 10 points beyond that. Say a game is 62-60 at 5:00 to go, first to 72 wins. Still have the shot clock but no game clock.

I guess that would also eliminate overtime games as well. Not sure how I feel about it. Guess that is closer to a sudden death type of approach.

Change isn't always bad, but it would be a drastic change indeed. The last part of a game would be infinitely more watchable, though, IMO.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Regarding TO's - take away one TO in the 2nd half and replace it with a TO that's only purpose is to stop the clock. No team huddles. The clock stops, the players get lined up and play starts.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

No fun to watch the last minute last 15 minutes, but it puts a premium on free throw shooting and getting the ball in the hands of your shooters, which is an underrecognized part of the game. They tried to stop nonstop fouling by calling "intentional fouls" a few years ago, but that created an even bigger cluster****. I think the endless reviews of who touched it last on out of bounds is even worse. That should be capped at one minute, and if the officials can't see a clear mistake, the call should stand...

 

[Pavlos]

Here are 2 ideas:
(1) within the last minute, if the losing team commits a defensive foul, then the team with the lead has the option to shoot FTs or to inbound the ball on side-out at midcourt;

(2) in that same scenario, the team with lead gets 3 FTs and may choose the shooter from its players on the court

 

[Iafootballfan]

Elam ending is terrible, takes away all of the buzzer beaters in March. No thanks

 

[nbanflfactory]

I know there isn't much that can be done about it either, I just hate the idea of committing a foul in attempt to extend the game.

unless they somehow penalize the defense, like under a minute left a foul runs 15 seconds off the clock, I don't see how anything changes.

/rant

It's part of the game.


I do hate fouling when there a 1 in a billion chance of winning. That's annoying.

 

[nbanflfactory]

No fun to watch the last minute last 15 minutes, but it puts a premium on free throw shooting and getting the ball in the hands of your shooters, which is an underrecognized part of the game. They tried to stop nonstop fouling by calling "intentional fouls" a few years ago, but that created an even bigger cluster****. I think the endless reviews of who touched it last on out of bounds is even worse. That should be capped at one minute, and if the officials can't see a clear mistake, the call should stand...

Officials need a clock too!! If they can't overturn within 60 seconds, then call stands and move on.

 

[83Hawk]

There are more important things that need fixed than fouling at the end of a game.

 

[FWIW4922463]

Here are 2 ideas:
(1) within the last minute, if the losing team commits a defensive foul, then the team with the lead has the option to shoot FTs or to inbound the ball on side-out at midcourt;

(2) in that same scenario, the team with lead gets 3 FTs and may choose the shooter from its players on the court

These are along the right lines. And it's true that the fouling and the timeouts absolutely ruin the ends of games. In one of the women's NCAA games last week, the last 31 seconds featured multiple fouls and FIVE combined timeouts. It took almost 20 minutes to play that final 31 seconds which, of course, is utterly ludicrous.

For literally decades some of us have been calling for changes such as those mentioned above. Why coaches haven't demanded such changes confounds me. Do you coaching BEFORE the game. During the game, let the players play.

So here's my two cents:

* Give teams two timeouts per half. There are already four TV timeouts per half.
* Neither a player nor a coach may call timeout except when the ball is dead. That's been the international rule for a long, long time. This BS of calling a TO while sitting on the floor with the ball or calling timeout to escape a trap is bogus. Can the QB call a TO just before he's about to get sacked? Can a batter call a TO halfway to first base?
* Under two minutes left in the game, regardless of score, a team that is fouled has the option of shooting free throws or taking the ball out of bounds, similar to football, because a foul is supposed to penalize the fouling team. In football, as you know, the team that is fouled has the option of taking the penalty or not. Basketball should operate the same way in the final two minutes. I want to see a basketball game, not a FT shooting contest or a timeout marathon.

Changes like this seem so obvious that, as I said before, I can't believe there seems to be no national movement among coaches or top basketball officials to deal with any of these issues.

BTW: Why not go back to TWO officials? Can anyone show any evidence that using three officials has had a positive impact on basketball? I think not. And by going back to two, you have the chance to lop off the worst one-third of the bunch. Win-win. Or, as Ralph Miller suggested over 50 years ago, place at least one official in a stationary position at midcourt, similar to a volleyball ref.

Anyway, there are several entirely doable adjustments that could, and should, be made to enhance college basketball. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Lone Clone]

Here are 2 ideas:
(1) within the last minute, if the losing team commits a defensive foul, then the team with the lead has the option to shoot FTs or to inbound the ball on side-out at midcourt;

(2) in that same scenario, the team with lead gets 3 FTs and may choose the shooter from its players on the court

Isn't that the international rule already?

 

[kceasthawk]

There are more important things that need fixed than fouling at the end of a game.

Like who is, or who is NOT making the calls?

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Officials need a clock too!! If they can't overturn within 60 seconds, then call stands and move on.

What I thought I said

 

[herkyihawks]

One thing I would like to see switched is the ability to call a timeout after you make a shot. I'm not a fan of a team making a shot, waiting for the other team to get to the ball, then calling timeout before it is in play. I think you should only be able to call timeout when you actually possess the ball.

 

[nu2u]

Officials need a clock too!! If they can't overturn within 60 seconds, then call stands and move on.

It is becoming ridiculous. Take a look at 2 ,3, maybe 4 replays and make a goddamn call. I would actually cap it at 30 or 40 seconds (while both teams get a free TO to huddle BTW). Ref video reviews pushing 2 minutes are insane.

The most infuriating are game clock reviews where they will waste all kinds of time reviewing the tape only to add .5 seconds to the game clock from 5.2 to 5.7 where one team leads by 10. Tell me that isn't ridiculous also.

 

[Psyclone]

I know there isn't much that can be done about it either, I just hate the idea of committing a foul in attempt to extend the game.

unless they somehow penalize the defense, like under a minute left a foul runs 15 seconds off the clock, I don't see how anything changes.

/rant

I often thought the team that has been fouled should have the option to shoot FTs or take the ball out. Running time off the clock is an interesting idea, but it penalizes a team that's not trying to stop the clock, but is just trying to play good defense and gets called for a foul. Not sure a foul in that situation should result in a bigger penalty than during the game. It's hard to judge intent.

 

[Rudolph]

I like the format of the women’s game. Quarters, fouls reset each quarter. A lot better flow overall. And two more end-of-clock scenarios, to boot.

High school plays quarters. NBA, same. Women’s college and WNBA: quarters. Really only NCAA men that play halves.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Officials need a clock too!! If they can't overturn within 60 seconds, then call stands and move on.

Most of the extended time by the refs is not determining the call, it's figuring out the clock so that they can "move on"

 

[NI hawk]

Officials need a clock too!! If they can't overturn within 60 seconds, then call stands and move on.

Make it 30 seconds.
Can't stand the mugging that goes on at the end of games. Foul, foul, and then a jump ball called.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Unless you have the over - then there is no issue with it.

 

[Ronman]

From my perspective, don't start fooling around with the rules of basketball. Just enforce the ones on the books now! It's a great game but used to be even better before bully ball took over and the game was played without all the bodily contact. Every year we hear that the refs are going to crack down, but they never do. Still, look at how many changes there have been in baseball, almost totaling the game. Now the powers that be are having to pass rules to undo some of the BS that has changed the game for the worse.
If I were t make a rule change, I would make all TO's with under a minute to go, 30 second timeouts.

 

[HawkRugged17]

Elam ending is terrible, takes away all of the buzzer beaters in March. No thanks

Yes, the Elam ending gets rid of buzzer beaters. However, every game ends in a winning shot (or free throw). Also, the need for fouling at the end of the game goes away. It's a form of open gym scoring at the end.

It would be interesting to try in the NIT or in season tournament just to gage interest.

 

[bansheexyz]

The NIT and G League should already be doing this as well as experimenting with other things. Offensive rebounding needs to be nerfed. Stop resetting the shot clock and maybe even lower the value of putbacks. The defense puts too much effort into contesting that first shot, it's nothing but lame when a lucky bounce or airball undoes it all.