They won't take care of themselves. People will drink a 30 pack of beer a day and eat a bunch of greasy food because it isn't any money out of their pocket. There will be no incentive to stay healthy. The more fat and sick people there are the quality of health care will decline greatly. Anytime you offer something for free the masses will take advantage of it and destroy it.
If you give people free health care
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To be fair, I don't stay healthy because I'm worried about Health Insurance. The rates are already rising regardless of anyone's health at the moment.
where does one get these free 30 packs and good greasy foods? asking for a friend.
Interesting theory OP. Has there been any studies to prove or disprove? You should be able to look at some type of health statistic for employees whose employer offer the best insurance for minimal cost compared to those that only offer high deductible plans. If you are are really interested and decide to look into it, let us know what you find.
Or you could look objectively at the overall health of, say, Canadians versus Americans.
From what I remember of my college days 30 beers and greasy food daily was not healthy. I felt so bad that I cut back to 15 beers.
This is JScott type of analysis - very imaginative.
My main issue is that the country is not looking at the cost of health care. Obama care and universal care just looks at how it is paid for. Many companies today have put together health screenings to be pro-active on the expense of health insurance. We have seen a large drop in the overall cost because we are addressing health risks before they become big issues.
Having the government pay the bill for a doctors visit doesnt force people to be healthy.
Having the government pay the bill for a doctors visit doesnt force people to be healthy.
Pussification of 'Muhrica, right there.
Well Canada does charge out the ass for alcohol, cigarettes, etc. Things that are bad for you. If OPs logic is correct, those drinking a 30 pack a day will have already paid for a majority of their own along with many others health care.
I don't like sin taxes though, because I'm a sinner and I don't want to pay more to continue sinning.
High deductible plans are insurance. Full coverage plans are prepaid healthcare instead. When there is a 100% certainty of payment, it is not insurance, and full coverage plans are 100% certain of payment.
Thanks for the lesson. You are wrong, but that's okay. What does it have to do with the OP's claim?
Americans has the most obsese people in the world. I say no free health insurance for fatties. Charge 'em by the pound.
Explain how he is wrong. It is just like HO insurance. INSURANCE is the key. If you have a hail storm and your roof needs to be replaced, the company pays to replace it. If you need a new roof because it is warn out, that is called maintenance.
Health insurance is the same way. It really isn't insurance it is prepaying healthcare.
I will wait for your explanation
I don't think most people take care of themselves physically because it saves them money.
But, if health care providers weren't trying to generate a profit and instead were incentivized to keep people well/healthy rather than make money on fixing them I think we collectively would be much healthier.
But, if health care providers weren't trying to generate a profit and instead were incentivized to keep people well/healthy rather than make money on fixing them I think we collectively would be much healthier.
If it was prepaying, health care, it would imply you are paying for all the costs you will incur personally. You are still paying money to a pool that will be used to pay health care costs of many policyholders. You may not use any of that pool, or you may use 10x more than you pay. That is insurance.
I guess that explains why everyone in the UK and Canada are such fat slobs.
People still will want to get laid even if health insurance is free. Don't discount the power of the poon my man.
The ACA did this. When you say "many companies" are doing this, its likely that decision was prompted by the fact that the ACA forces preventive care to be covered now. This points to one of the biggest problems with the ACA. Because it wasn't a real government takeover of healthcare, it doesn't get the credit it deserves when your "company" decides to have a health screening. Thanks Obama.
Exactly. People work out for just one reason. Sex. Some claim its to feel better or look better or live longer, but all that is just another way of saying they want more and better sex longer. We could probably really improve our nation's health is we did away with monogamy and made men hunt for sex their entire lives.
I didn't mean to imply it was hard to hunt. I'm encouraging more people to do it. I would bet you the average weight and health of the Ashley Madison club was better than the rest of America.
No, insurance is when you transfer risk with money to a pool to pay for uncertain losses, look up the definition. Going to the doctor for a physical is not an uncertain loss. In fact, it is not a loss at all. It is prevention. Kind of like cutting hanging tree limbs from over the house to prevent them from falling on your home.
If we paid to cut every ones tree limbs, or replace every ones roof, the cost of HO insurance would skyrocket, just like the cost of the health maintenance policy.
Health insurance is not insurance at all anymore, it is a maintenance plan.
Wrong. There may be 100% certainty of payment if there is a loss (a claim). But there is not 100% certainty of a loss.
Even full coverage plans are "insurance". Insuance is paying someone else to assume your financial risk.
I think it would be the other way since if your going to make someone up they are going to be pretty hot.
Look at the definition, insurance is for uncertain risk. It is a maintenance plan. Your car insurance cover your oil changes?
Office visits for physicals should not be covered then it would be insurance. In today's world this would open up a whole new business model.
Every 3 to 4 years I blow my roids out. I call, I have this problem can you give me a scrip. No, I pay 150 bucks for the visit. Why? In today's world I should be able to call someone, they charge me let's say 20 bucks, I get scrip. You would see clinics open again with one doctor who can charge xx amount for physical.
Can do more online for less and eliminate the insurance company involvement and the big health center.
Yes, the lack of free health care is surely what's keeping nearly everyone from smoking, drinking 30 beers a day and eating greasy food. We all know that's what everyone would love to do if only they had free health care!
Before this thread I thought WalMart was the store of the poors. Now I know it is the store of those with free full coverage insurance.
Well why do they do it then? Personal responsibility seems to be something we need to push.
In an odd psychology sort of way the fatties probably are taking personal responsibility. Many of them appear to me to be self medicating. The ACA covers prozac and zoloft. Stop taking so much personal responsibility and get the help you need people.
No one I know wants to go to the doctor more often. Suggesting that in a free-healthcare system that everyone would let themselves go, doesnt really add up. Most people want healthcare for the unforeseen issues or to defray the costs of taking care of a family. they dont want to live a life to get sick and then go to see a doctor chronically.
I think getting rid of competing health insurance co's and hospital groups that are publicly owned would be a huge plus. This could be the first step in bringing down or at least slowing the massive cost inflation for common procedures- like a $5000 MRI !!
I think getting rid of competing health insurance co's and hospital groups that are publicly owned would be a huge plus. This could be the first step in bringing down or at least slowing the massive cost inflation for common procedures- like a $5000 MRI !!
Or it could be that the work ethic has changed and people are not willing to put in the physical labor that they used to do.
The fat and unhealthy are incredibly abundant in the USA right now! I see it all the time. I stay very fit because... I like being very fit! It's a choice. Now, I'm fortunate that my body is strong and I suffer from nothing that holds me back. But, I also make a conscious choice and concerted effort to EAT well!
I see what the OP is trying to say; that free things are not appreciated, or taken for granted. But, I'm not sure that holds true for something like health care. Or, at least make people want to be less healthy as a result.
It doesn't really matter because this country will never have free health care like Canada. The ACA helped to kill that idea.
I see what the OP is trying to say; that free things are not appreciated, or taken for granted. But, I'm not sure that holds true for something like health care. Or, at least make people want to be less healthy as a result.
It doesn't really matter because this country will never have free health care like Canada. The ACA helped to kill that idea.
The idea that someone would intentionally make themselves sick and miserable because they can go to the doctor as much as they want is a pretty lousy argument against improved access to healthcare.
Let's be honest, it's mostly genetic. I'm lean and muscular. I look ten years younger than I actually am. And I very rarely get sick and need no medications. But my diet is lousy, I drink 2-3 beers every night, and I only work out about an hour each week. Being fat and unhealthy is largely beyond most people's control.
Absolutely not true.
Genetics play a role, sure. But, hardly "beyond most peoples' control." No way, no day.
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