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A few things seemed "odd" about Saturday's game. You all will, I'm sure, laugh at me about this post. Heck, I'm laughing at myself. But here we go anyway.

During the first few minutes of the game, when the commentators were making their typical comments about why this game matters when it really doesn't, they talked about Purdue needing this win to make the next week's game vs Indiana a battle for bowl eligibility. Several minutes later, they talked more about the Indiana-Purdue game and it wasn't "if Purdue wins today" it was stated as a fact that that game would be for bowl eligibility. This was still early in the 1st quarter with Purdue up 7-0 and it was like they knew Purdue was going to win. At the time it struck me as strange.

Then, later I was texting with my brother and, looking back on it, I had texted "It's almost like we're throwing the game.". The offensive line play was, quite literally, unbelievably bad. Numerous times we just left a defender unblocked while an O lineman blocked no one...or made a feeble attempt to engage someone that was already blocked. It looked like they were just trying to look busy while ignoring their assignment.

Throw in some head scratcher drops by receivers, lack of utilization of TE's and what may have been the worst punting in a D1 football game this year, and it's hard not to wonder.

Do I believe the outcome was pre-determined? Nope. Does what I saw and heard seem strange? Yep.

OK, flame away, but remember...I'm not buying this either. I just thought it was strange.
 
I suspect this is indeed a case of "confirmation bias", but man, if we ever found out any of this stuff was fixed by the conferences or TV or whatever... well, that would be the end of it. I also would find it impossible that Kirk, for all of his faults we discuss here, would ever be part of something like that.

So, no, it wasn't fixed.
 
Ohio State's blowout of Wisconsin in the B1G Championship game in Indy which was enough to let them in the playoffs gave me that same feeling.

Jim Delaney is not stupid but I have a hard time believing it is possible to get an entire staff and 100 plus 18-23 year olds to go along with the notion.

At least that is what I think now after taking the red pill...
 
I have a hard time believing it is possible to get an entire staff and 100 plus 18-23 year olds to go along with the notion.
Where we've seen thrown games in sports (low level college basketball, or the rampant worldwide issue with soccer), they almost always get to one guy or maybe a couple. People with personal issues, money issues, what have you. They also will target lower level events because they're not as scrutinized as the marquee games.

In football, you need to get a lot more people involved to get the exact result you want. That's a problem because the more people are involved, the messier things get, and the chances of the operation being blown go up exponentially. It's why separation of duties is such an important internal control.

Besides this, I struggle to understand why IU-PU being a "bowl battle" would be so important as to lead to conspiratorially throwing a game to set it up.
 
If a game was thrown, it was the fOSU game, and it wasn't thrown by Iowa. When you look at that game compared to every other game played in the BIG, that's the one that makes you go hmmmmmmm.....
 
Daum - I don't think this was rigged, it was just some observations that struck me. As far as the "bowl battle" being a potential motive...I wasn't suggesting that. The bowl battle discussion was just somewhat odd in that they treated it as if a PSU victory was a foregone conclusion 5 minutes into the game...almost like a slip up.

If (and, again, I don't believe this...it's just interesting discussion when the actual team isn't worth discussing to me at this point) there was an attempt to rig college football, it would be to generate a story with good guys, bad guys etc. There always has to be the David and Goliath, the evil character you love to hate, the young upstart, the trust fund dependent loser, etc.

What's the issue with soccer?
 
I really don't think you're that far off - I've had the discussion w/ friends and family that this season (and others before it) are all part of the Ferentz master plan.....He's not a dumb man and knows that chasing wins in college football is a recipe for a short career. If you win 10 games a year, people wonder why you can't win the other 2. So, Ferentz dumbs down games they "should" win (like Purdue) and when they don't, he can blame execution etc.....When the big boys (MI, PSU, OSU) roll into town he makes Harbaugh, Meyer, etc look like fools by doing things out of the norm.

The current "phase" of the plan is to maintain bowl eligibility (6-8 wins), show progress along the way and when the time is right put up another 10+ win season and hand the keys over to Brian when no one is looking - It's worked for almost 20 years and is the recipe for career longevity at Iowa.........

Call me crazy. :-0
 
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No need for a conspiracy. Iowa offense has been crap most of the season, thus the ranking as one of the least productive in FBS. All it took were some defensive miscues at corner, continued garbage play at punt return, and the result is the dreck that was seen on Saturday.
 
Love it. Big conspiracy type guy. If things are whacky, then attack the source!
 
Without a doubt this game was fixed!

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Regarding the comment on throwing the Purdue game.

Even to throw a game requires the team to execute a plan to accomplish it without being obvious. Since our problem has been defined as execution, there is no way the Iowa team could have accomplished that scenario!
 
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Wanna talk conspiracy theories? Why, would the only AD in America give a 9 year extension to a football coach that is average and mediocre?
In January 2015, coming off a 7-6 season and the 45-28 loss to Tennessee, Barta said, “Don’t think there weren’t a lot of people who wanted me fired and wanted Coach fired last year and the last couple of years" And then, hardly a year and a half later, gives Ferentz a ridiculous contract. Is Barta getting a piece of the pie? It defies logic and common sense. A 15 year old high school kid would have had more on the ball than Barta.
 
I know OP and Soybean sound crazy but I did a little digging and found this picture of the grassy knoll from a very reputable website. Look at the guy sitting on the hill, looks very familiar to me. I'm just connecting dots here folks...

The guy on the Grassy Knoll in that pic is scribbling something down in a notebook and has been reported to be tossing a piece of gum over his shoulder..so, hmm.
 


Like Bob Davey said 6:00 into this video: we know the rule—when there’s an 8-0 team ranked 4th in the bcs (they get the calls)...

Happens to a less dramatic extent placing lower tier teams in bowls...
 
Love the topic, if for no other reason than to inject something fresh into this board.

I caught the, “Next week’s game is for bowl eligibility” comment also, but chalked it up to the general stupidity and clumsiness of that announcing crew. They’d just finished talking about how PU could become eligible by winning out, then shifted to IU’s win earlier to put them at 5-6 going into next week. I think they just misspoke when jumping back to PU.

But eff all that...THE FIX WAS IN BABAAAAYYYY!!!
 
Love the topic, if for no other reason than to inject something fresh into this board.

I caught the, “Next week’s game is for bowl eligibility” comment also, but chalked it up to the general stupidity and clumsiness of that announcing crew. They’d just finished talking about how PU could become eligible by winning out, then shifted to IU’s win earlier to put them at 5-6 going into next week. I think they just misspoke when jumping back to PU.

But eff all that...THE FIX WAS IN BABAAAAYYYY!!!

I'm sure you're right, but I don't want to talk about the collapse, so this was more fun.
 
Just because Iowa typically loses at least one game every year against a team they should crush doesn't mean a fix is on.
That's just Ferentz football.
 
A few things seemed "odd" about Saturday's game. You all will, I'm sure, laugh at me about this post. Heck, I'm laughing at myself. But here we go anyway.

During the first few minutes of the game, when the commentators were making their typical comments about why this game matters when it really doesn't, they talked about Purdue needing this win to make the next week's game vs Indiana a battle for bowl eligibility. Several minutes later, they talked more about the Indiana-Purdue game and it wasn't "if Purdue wins today" it was stated as a fact that that game would be for bowl eligibility. This was still early in the 1st quarter with Purdue up 7-0 and it was like they knew Purdue was going to win. At the time it struck me as strange.

Then, later I was texting with my brother and, looking back on it, I had texted "It's almost like we're throwing the game.". The offensive line play was, quite literally, unbelievably bad. Numerous times we just left a defender unblocked while an O lineman blocked no one...or made a feeble attempt to engage someone that was already blocked. It looked like they were just trying to look busy while ignoring their assignment.

Throw in some head scratcher drops by receivers, lack of utilization of TE's and what may have been the worst punting in a D1 football game this year, and it's hard not to wonder.

Do I believe the outcome was pre-determined? Nope. Does what I saw and heard seem strange? Yep.

OK, flame away, but remember...I'm not buying this either. I just thought it was strange.
Kirk gives teams feel good wins when our team is struggling or he doesn't feel like we're deserving enough to win based on our effort/execution.

That's a real thing. So you're right, OP.
 
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What's the issue with soccer?
Match fixing on a pretty widespread scale. There's a large Singaporean outfit that orchestrates a lot of it. There've been busts in quite a few countries all over the place, and that's just what's been caught. Typically lower league level.

This particular news item is from a few years ago but is representative:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ch-fixing-probe-680-suspicious-games/1890117/

There's a section of WorldSoccer.com dedicated to this (although it looks to be a bit out of date, it references major recent scandals in Greece, Turkey, and Spain-Italy's notorious for it as well):
http://www.worldsoccer.com/tag/match-fixing
 
A few things seemed "odd" about Saturday's game. You all will, I'm sure, laugh at me about this post. Heck, I'm laughing at myself. But here we go anyway.

During the first few minutes of the game, when the commentators were making their typical comments about why this game matters when it really doesn't, they talked about Purdue needing this win to make the next week's game vs Indiana a battle for bowl eligibility. Several minutes later, they talked more about the Indiana-Purdue game and it wasn't "if Purdue wins today" it was stated as a fact that that game would be for bowl eligibility. This was still early in the 1st quarter with Purdue up 7-0 and it was like they knew Purdue was going to win. At the time it struck me as strange.

Then, later I was texting with my brother and, looking back on it, I had texted "It's almost like we're throwing the game.". The offensive line play was, quite literally, unbelievably bad. Numerous times we just left a defender unblocked while an O lineman blocked no one...or made a feeble attempt to engage someone that was already blocked. It looked like they were just trying to look busy while ignoring their assignment.

Throw in some head scratcher drops by receivers, lack of utilization of TE's and what may have been the worst punting in a D1 football game this year, and it's hard not to wonder.

Do I believe the outcome was pre-determined? Nope. Does what I saw and heard seem strange? Yep.

OK, flame away, but remember...I'm not buying this either. I just thought it was strange.
So who plays Kirk Ferentz in the movie? I'm thinking either Bill Murray or Danny Devito.
 
Regarding the comment on throwing the Purdue game.

Even to throw a game requires the team to execute a plan to accomplish it without being obvious. Since our problem has been defined as execution, there is no way the Iowa team could have accomplished that scenario!
Could the coaches give signals or let the opposing team know where the ball is going to make it impossible to block?
I'm just trying to dispel the fact the whole team would have to know. Calling predictable plays & setting us up for failure is possible.
I say all this to say there's no way it was rigged. Just lame game.
 
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