It was a 2 play,15 yd drive at Wisconsin (it came off a Wisconsin turnover). Iowa won that game 10-6
In Last 3 years, Iowa has scored ONE Offensive TD against Wisconsin
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Guess they better figure out how to score on that defense. Normally when you have two pick six touchdowns in a game, you win. We got throttled last year, beat in submission. You get my point. We need to be unpredictable and make them pay when they blitz.
I think their offense will be better than last year.
I think their offense will be better than last year.
They kept they're entire offense except te umm if hornibrook can eliminate mistakes he made last year that team will win the big and Pains me to say that
Last year's team had a lot of holes in its offensive unit. No real solid punt returner, one healthy RB with experience, a new QB (true soph with limited experience), inexperienced tackles and second level WRs (no real consistent go to game changer in WR unit). Stanley had his worse game of season against Wisky. Iowa was very one dimensional as they average one yard per carry. Iowa's punting was below average and Iowa punted 9 times (too much for any team to score over 24 points).
The prior two years under the GDGD system, the dink and dunks routes did not prevent Wisky from stuffing the box. The WR unit was poor (Wadley had 7 of Beathard's 17 completions in 2016 game and 6 went to Riley McCarron). No real deep threat in unfocused Jerminic Smith. 2016 , no 100 yard rusher or in total by RBs (one dimensional Iowa). Coluzzi punted 8 times that game to Wisky's 5. Iowa had a 3rd and 1 on Wisky's 19 when Kittle made a false start and Iowa ended up with a Field goal. Lost momentum.
To possibly beat Wisky this year, Iowa must have a winning running game (over 125 yards / over 3.5 yards per carry-- be effective but don't see Iowa having one back over 100 yards), must have 18 first downs (move the chains and have more clock eating series -- less 3 and outs), must have multiple WRs engaged in moving chains (ISM, BSmith, Easley, and Tracy need to haul in at least 2.5 passes each), keep Stanley from throwing 34 or more times ( not Iowa's strong suit) and avoid punting more than 7 times. If Stanley could be 21 or 22 of 33 throws and only two sacks and still hit around 240, maybe Iowa has a decent shot of competiting. Gersonde must be the punter.
The prior two years under the GDGD system, the dink and dunks routes did not prevent Wisky from stuffing the box. The WR unit was poor (Wadley had 7 of Beathard's 17 completions in 2016 game and 6 went to Riley McCarron). No real deep threat in unfocused Jerminic Smith. 2016 , no 100 yard rusher or in total by RBs (one dimensional Iowa). Coluzzi punted 8 times that game to Wisky's 5. Iowa had a 3rd and 1 on Wisky's 19 when Kittle made a false start and Iowa ended up with a Field goal. Lost momentum.
To possibly beat Wisky this year, Iowa must have a winning running game (over 125 yards / over 3.5 yards per carry-- be effective but don't see Iowa having one back over 100 yards), must have 18 first downs (move the chains and have more clock eating series -- less 3 and outs), must have multiple WRs engaged in moving chains (ISM, BSmith, Easley, and Tracy need to haul in at least 2.5 passes each), keep Stanley from throwing 34 or more times ( not Iowa's strong suit) and avoid punting more than 7 times. If Stanley could be 21 or 22 of 33 throws and only two sacks and still hit around 240, maybe Iowa has a decent shot of competiting. Gersonde must be the punter.
Hmmm, I feel like this stat was just mentioned on a podcast this week that might deserve a source recognition 
. Though it might be you both just noticed it at the same time.
. Though it might be you both just noticed it at the same time.
Is it just because we seldom see a 3-4 defense that the coaches seem to install nothing meaningful to deal with it? Do they not want to risk losing other games because they are focusing on Wisconsin?
It's mostly due to Wisconsin being good. Other teams have played a 3-4 (Iowa State played a version of it) that Iowa has had success against. It all comes down to whether or not Iowa can protect the passer. Once Wisconsin has got Iowa into 3rd and 4 or longer, it's been over. They have like overall minus yards on third downs in those last 3 games. That is insanely poor.
If there is a game Brian F. has been looking forward to, it has to be this one. The offense will come out incredibly humbled with something to prove in this game. It will not be easy, but I predict over 20 points scored in this game by Iowa. It will be up to the defense to keep the rushing game in check.
Over 20 points against a MAC team...I'd hope so.
Only 13 D1 teams averaged less than 20 points/game last year. (we averaged 28.2)
Not ideal how we have been performing against W. I'd love to see a big time performance getting 3 tds offensively and 1 or 2 by other means to get us in the 30's. Have to have a strong showing against them this year to keep up in the West.
Hoping for an Ohio State game of the year to be played by the Hawkeyes.
Everyone should be pumped, being the fact we haven't beaten them recently.
Everyone should be pumped, being the fact we haven't beaten them recently.
First off - part of what should be noted is the following:
- Iowa has had some of its weakest and/or least experienced groups of WRs in '16 and '17. That makes a team like Iowa that much easier to defend.
- Iowa was implementing an all-new O in '17.
- Iowa was breaking in a new QB in '17.
- Stanley is a Wisconsin native ... and the away game at Camp Randall most certainly got into his head in '17.
- Wisconsin really has been REALLY GOOD on D ... ever since Aranda first landed at Madison in '13. He really helped elevate a good D into becoming a truly excellent D.
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Every defense has a weakness. Finding it and exploiting it--scratching where it itches--has been a regular challenge under KF. As most of us know, Iowa has been called out by many opponents as a team that requires little if any prep work because they do the same thing all the time every year.
Well, since BF has become OC, that is finally beginning to change. But until Iowa becomes a team that game plans for specific opponents while maintaining its basic philosophy, the offense will never reach its potential.
Of course, I'm hoping this is the season that we see those specific game plans and that, especially for Wisconsin, Iowa scratches where it itches and puts up some big offensive numbers. It will be awesome when it happens, and with Stanley and Co., I'm expecting it. The Badgers will see a very different Iowa offense on Sept. 22 if BF does his job.
Well, since BF has become OC, that is finally beginning to change. But until Iowa becomes a team that game plans for specific opponents while maintaining its basic philosophy, the offense will never reach its potential.
Of course, I'm hoping this is the season that we see those specific game plans and that, especially for Wisconsin, Iowa scratches where it itches and puts up some big offensive numbers. It will be awesome when it happens, and with Stanley and Co., I'm expecting it. The Badgers will see a very different Iowa offense on Sept. 22 if BF does his job.
Two years ago when Iowa went to Penn State and got decimated under the lights at Happy Valley, I was very worried about the game last year in Kinnick. Even though Iowa did not light up the score board, they did what they had to to have a chance to win. I have that same feeling about Bucky after last years game. But I think last years game was an anomaly coming off the great tOSU game. Iowa plain and simply played like s**t, the same way they played against MSU the following week after giving there all against Penn State. I think this year will be a different game. I can't see our offense playing as poorly as it did last year, and Brian and crew has had a year to think about it. I know Brian said they figured some things out after that game, one was scrap the zone blocking and just go man on man against the 3-4, which worked great against Nebby. Of course, Nebby couldn't stop anything last year, so take that with a grain of salt. But I think this offense will have grown this year after showing signs of greatness and inconsistency last season. And punting? There is no way possible that we cannot be better at punting. Hell, even if our punt game is poor this season, it's better then it was last. LOL If not, Stanley should get to do a lot more punting.
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I have to believe BF’s time spent with the Patriots this offseason was focused on how to beat Wisconsin’s 3-4 defense.
Another thing to consider is that as offenses go, the primary "old-timey" offenses in the B1G are Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, and Michigan State. (am I missing anybody?)
Thus, when Wisconsin plays a team that is stylistically more like itself ... it's a sort of O that its D is already used to seeing. You have to figure that that potentially makes the prep a little easier for their D.
If you look at how Wisconsin has fared against Iowa, Michigan, and MSU ... nobody has managed to score all that many points on them.
Thus, when Wisconsin plays a team that is stylistically more like itself ... it's a sort of O that its D is already used to seeing. You have to figure that that potentially makes the prep a little easier for their D.
If you look at how Wisconsin has fared against Iowa, Michigan, and MSU ... nobody has managed to score all that many points on them.
Nebraska only switched over to a 3-4 in '17 under Diaco. They're going to be implementing a different variant of the 3-4 under Chinander.
The Husker players on D never really "bought into" Diaco's schemes ... and, consequently, the execution was pretty poor overall. Diaco then seemed to get frustrated with the players - and in many interviews with the media, it seemed like he kinda threw them under the bus. After some of those interviews ... he REALLY lost the D.
Thus, I wouldn't read too much concerning how Iowa fared against Nebraska last year - they just weren't "good on D."
Well then we should do that again this year!
Both the TD, and our defense holding them to 6 pts.
On that, you spoke for both our fan bases, Monkey!I would like that to continue.
In this decade, KF vs Wisconsin on the gridiron has resembled a kindergartener challenging a nobel laureate in the physics lab. The b1g football dean has been repeatedly outbrained. KF's best strategy might be to not focus on Wisky at all and do whatever it takes to win other b1g games. Or if it's permitted help pennstate and michigan beat Wisconsin.
PS: My frustration is more because Iowa has shown little sign of making up ground over the last few years in this game.
PS: My frustration is more because Iowa has shown little sign of making up ground over the last few years in this game.
Well then what you do is like any good rival that's losing in the physics lab........kick them in the balls and tamper with their experiment without them knowing, while they're on the ground writhing in pain, so that they fail at the conference and you can win 1st Prize.
Then when they confront you about it, kick them in the balls again and run away, shouting 'You brought this on yourself".
That's how you beat Wisconsin......................
What?..................I'm a frickin' evil monkey. What did you expect?
I was stuck on the opener, wrong thread. My bad.
they better had spent the whole offseason focusing on Wisconsin because if we don't beat them, we have no chance winning the B1G West
with that 3-4, Iowa can never seem to figure out who of the 4 are coming. I hope the players and coaches studied film all off season.
this year's game is at Kinnick; hopefully both teams are 3-0 and its a night game, with Wisky ranked in the Top 5.
what worries me is Wisky returns their entire OL, their QB and their RB. Wisky will simply hand off the ball and dare you to stop them. Then they will mix in some play action. Will our LB's be up for the task?
Agreed, add to that Wisconsin has a very aggressive 3-4 which has given Iowa fits. Before the 3-4, Iowa vs. Wiscy was always a wash with both teams trying to do the same things, and those were the things they do daily in practice vs. the same system. We will eventually find a blueprint to counter Bucky's 3-4, as will the rest of the BiG, its inevitable.
Opposing offenses eventually learned to counter Buddy Ryan's 46 D ... similarly, B1G teams will adapt to the Badger D.Agreed, add to that Wisconsin has a very aggressive 3-4 which has given Iowa fits. Before the 3-4, Iowa vs. Wiscy was always a wash with both teams trying to do the same things, and those were the things they do daily in practice vs. the same system. We will eventually find a blueprint to counter Bucky's 3-4, as will the rest of the BiG, its inevitable.
When was the last halftime adjustment made that led to an iowa comeback and win in a game against somebody of significance? Take your time.
It’s pretty simple in that Wisky is just better and tougher than we are. Their front 7 dominates our OL which has been way overrated for years. We’ve had some pro players in the OL but as a group a lot marginally bad players. A future pro can’t block everyone. Just watch the replay of last year’s game and we get zero push in the run game and pass- blocking against the blitz is ole ball. I’d rather just hand if off and 3rd down than get sacked repeatedly.
The formula is we have to win in the trenches first. Forget the fancy video game strategy. The simple question is can we line up in a 2-3 TE set and hand the ball off to make 4 yards? If not forget about it. That’s the essence of football. When you can’t do that then how on earth can you do something more intricate? You can’t is the answer.
The formula is we have to win in the trenches first. Forget the fancy video game strategy. The simple question is can we line up in a 2-3 TE set and hand the ball off to make 4 yards? If not forget about it. That’s the essence of football. When you can’t do that then how on earth can you do something more intricate? You can’t is the answer.
I believe this would just get you more of the same. Iowa needs to be balanced and be able to pass 7+ yards down the field to make defense back off. Doesn’t matter if it’s vs a 4-3 or 3-4, they have to be able to pass the ball doenfield more.
Stanley will never get the time to do that until they respect the run which means you have to win up front. That’s the losing area by far in this program and the difference between where Wisconsin is and where we are.
And just to give you stats. Last year’s game our 3 backs carried 19 times for 64 yards. That’s 3.3 yds per carry which is not great but it’s freaking forward progress. Stanley was sacked 5 times for -35 yards. We threw the ball 41 times for 41 yards which does not include the sack yardage which would net to 6 yards.
So yes, I want to run the ball over and over and over all game out of 2-3 TE sets going straight at their D - no zone blocking stretches. It’s going to be ugly but the only slim shot we have. Commit to 4 quarters of trench war.
Dropping back to throw is a recipe for a blow out loss. We will start beating them when we win up front. Until then all this other strategy is lip service.
So yes, I want to run the ball over and over and over all game out of 2-3 TE sets going straight at their D - no zone blocking stretches. It’s going to be ugly but the only slim shot we have. Commit to 4 quarters of trench war.
Dropping back to throw is a recipe for a blow out loss. We will start beating them when we win up front. Until then all this other strategy is lip service.
There is one obvious fact about Wisconsin now...they are a team built to beat Iowa. If you can beat Iowa you can beat everybody else in the West too. This is an unpleasant fact of lootball life in 2018. The Wisconsin staff knows this and the Iowa staff knows this. The last two years the Wisconsin coaches have simply outcoached the Iowa coaches. But two years is not a reign - Wisconsin's days are numbered. In either 2018 or 2019 the Hawkeyes will break the Badger spell.
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2017 loss to Wisky... 41 throws, 27 runs
- backs 19 carries for 63 yards - 3.3 avg
- receivers & TE yards - 38 !
2016 loss to Wisky... 33 throws, 27 runs
- backs 20 carries for 79 yards - 3.95 avg
- receivers & TE yards - 73 !
2015 win at Wisky... 21 throws, 40 runs
- backs 30 carries for 134 yards - 4.45 avg
- receivers & TE yards - 62 yards
Yet we think throwing the ball is the answer against the 3-4 and with Wisky’s personnel?
- backs 19 carries for 63 yards - 3.3 avg
- receivers & TE yards - 38 !
2016 loss to Wisky... 33 throws, 27 runs
- backs 20 carries for 79 yards - 3.95 avg
- receivers & TE yards - 73 !
2015 win at Wisky... 21 throws, 40 runs
- backs 30 carries for 134 yards - 4.45 avg
- receivers & TE yards - 62 yards
Yet we think throwing the ball is the answer against the 3-4 and with Wisky’s personnel?
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