In State Recruit Updates

[Ihawkhoops]

Obscure was a bad word choice on my part. I am a fan of guys playing against higher level competition as a barometer of their success in the big ten. I haven't seen in state kids other than Gatens, Uthoff, and Jok show they can score at this level.

Cougill, McCabe, May, Woodbury, Oglesby have underwhelmed offensively despite putting up big high school and AAU numbers. There are no guarantees that a big high school kid from Chicago is going to be a better college player than someone from Marion, Iowa, but the level of competition faced certainly prepares one more than the other in my opinion.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I agree 100%. Baer, like White, is athletic enough to compete at this level. There will be nights when he will be overmatched, but everyone faces that against certain teams.

 

[CoachRickVice]

Obscure was a bad word choice on my part. I am a fan of guys playing against higher level competition as a barometer of their success in the big ten. I haven't seen in state kids other than Gatens, Uthoff, and Jok show they can score at this level.

Cougill, McCabe, May, Woodbury, Oglesby have underwhelmed offensively despite putting up big high school and AAU numbers. There are no guarantees that a big high school kid from Chicago is going to be a better college player than someone from Marion, Iowa, but the level of competition faced certainly prepares one more than the other in my opinion.

Fair enough. I can see your point. At the same time, Cougill (I think he was a Lick recruit wasn't he?) McCabe, May, Woody, Oglesby etc were all guys that Fran got to commit without having much post season success. Winning changes things. Last year, we were a pretty damn good team that made it to the round of 32. We'll be adding Tyler Cook to the roster next season. He's got potential to be a game changer for us. If we go to the NCAA tourney the next 2 years, and Fran is still building entire recruiting classes out of 3 star Iowa recruits then I'll be concerned. Right now I don't think there's anything to be concerned about. With that said, I'm also looking forward to seeing how this Freshman class develops because there's plenty of guys in that class that played high level high school basketball.

 

[BBHawk]

May, McCabe and Cougill were Lickliter recruits. Oglesby and Woodbury were pretty highly thought of coming out of HS - both had major D1 offers. Not all kids excel.

On the other hand, some do. And finding those kids is just as important. And McC has (White and Olaseni to name 2).

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I love seeing the Iowa recruits getting some love, but lets be honest. The Iowa kids are great in Iowa, once they get up against some "real competition" in the big ten, we see how they can play.

I love getting Iowa kids, but I would also like to get 3-4 kids out of Chicago, Detroit, and some other major populated areas. That is where the best basketball is played and that is where some of the best players come from.

 

[BBHawk]

I love seeing the Iowa recruits getting some love, but lets be honest. The Iowa kids are great in Iowa, once they get up against some "real competition" in the big ten, we see how they can play.

I love getting Iowa kids, but I would also like to get 3-4 kids out of Chicago, Detroit, and some other major populated areas. That is where the best basketball is played and that is where some of the best players come from.

"Real" competition like in what they play against in AAU? Cross-border games (like against IL, MN, or WI HS teams)? Or does it only count when they get to Iowa and play in B1G games? Just checking...

 

[IamHawkeye]

Obscure was a bad word choice on my part. I am a fan of guys playing against higher level competition as a barometer of their success in the big ten. I haven't seen in state kids other than Gatens, Uthoff, and Jok show they can score at this level.

Cougill, McCabe, May, Woodbury, Oglesby have underwhelmed offensively despite putting up big high school and AAU numbers. There are no guarantees that a big high school kid from Chicago is going to be a better college player than someone from Marion, Iowa, but the level of competition faced certainly prepares one more than the other in my opinion.

I assume you mean in state playing for Fran as Haluska, Oliver, Brunner and Horner scored.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

No doubt those guys could play, but I am not sure this conversation spans the history of Iowa basketball. The counter point could be BJ, Marble, Horton, and Gamble. Unfortunately we can't take an All Iowa Team and compete in any season. You have to get a couple guys capable of playing at the next level (see Wisconsin) on the roster at the same time to have a shot at the next level of success. I would throw Settles and Bowen in as Iowa recruits who played at a high level.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

"Real" competition like in what they play against in AAU? Cross-border games (like against IL, MN, or WI HS teams)? Or does it only count when they get to Iowa and play in B1G games? Just checking...

Like I said they are good when they go against the Iowa Schools. I have not seen anything AAU about these guys. Plus there are so many AAU teams/tournaments, I am sorry but my 12yr old nephew was asked by like 3-4 different teams if he wanted to "try out" for them.

Kriener might only see 1-2 kids all year who can match his height. So he is basically going against kids 3-5in shorter than he is every week. He plays 3A I believe in basketball.

Pemsel is the same way, going against smaller kids, he plays 3A tournament ball, but does go against some solid competition in the MVC. If he can put 20+ a night vs that competition that will be good.

 

[CoachRickVice]

Like I said they are good when they go against the Iowa Schools. I have not seen anything AAU about these guys. Plus there are so many AAU teams/tournaments, I am sorry but my 12yr old nephew was asked by like 3-4 different teams if he wanted to "try out" for them.

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There's tons of AAU teams in Iowa that play just for fun. Hell, I played on one from 5th grade through 9th grade, and I was not what you might call "athletic." Then there's the big time AAU teams that travel nationally and compete. Usually this is where colleges first become aware of players. It's not their High School games during the season. Martin Brothers being the main team in Iowa. No offense to your nephew, but I highly doubt he was ever asked to "try out" for a team the caliber of Martin Brothers.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

There's tons of AAU teams in Iowa that play just for fun. Hell, I played on one from 5th grade through 9th grade, and I was not what you might call an "athletic." Then there's the big time AAU teams that travel nationally and compete. Usually this is where colleges first become aware of players. It's not their High School games during the season. Martin Brothers being the main team in Iowa. No offense to your nephew, but I highly doubt he was ever asked to "try out" for a team the caliber of Martin Brothers.

No it was some local AAU team. Basically it was coach who wanted to start a program like Martin Brothers and get into some tournaments. My sister said no, because of the $$. I mean it was gonna cost something like 1500-2000 for all the travel and crap. Not worth it.

My whole point with my post is, some of these kids in Iowa are good players when they go against the "iowa competition." Lets face it, it ain't like the inner city ball. My point is, that is where some of the best players come from. I think recruiting Iowa kids is a good thing, I just think you need to bring in some inner city talent w/those Iowa kids. Dr. Tom was always good at mixing a little rural basketball with inner city kids.

I know Iowa has put some serious caliber players out there recently (Paige, Barnes, and others). I just don't think taking 4 kids in the same class is a smart move, but maybe Im wrong. If those kids are playing against the competition of Iowa schools, I would think they would be putting up 30-40pts a game, but maybe Im wrong. I haven't watched Iowa high school basketball in the past couple of years, but from what I remember the "elite" iowa players dominated their respective class.

 

[CoachRickVice]

I would think they would be putting up 30-40pts a game, but maybe Im wrong. I haven't watched Iowa high school basketball in the past couple of years, but from what I remember the "elite" iowa players dominated their respective class.

I definitely get what you're saying. What's your definition of "dominating their respective class," though?

Jordan Bohannon is currently averaging just over 23 ppg and leading the state in 3 pointers made. For comparison, Marcus Paige averaged 26/game and he was the #22 overall player in the country. Is 3 points per game the difference between a top 25 recruit and a 3 star recruit? No.


That's why I say AAU ball is taken into consideration more than high school ball. If we're offering guys that have traveled for AAU and are from Iowa, I'm okay with that. They all won't always pan out, just like out of state recruits won't always either.

 

[iowaguy88]

Has anybody seen Kreiner play? I've gotten pretty excited catching some clips of him, his game and body type reminds me of Kevin Love with his ability to step out and shoot the 3 and play down low.
I've heard some questions about the competition he matches up against, and personally I think the best HS basketball competition resides in Eastern Iowa so it wouldn't surprise me.
Also, when he committed I believe he was 6'7 now I've seen him listed as big as 6'10. Is this legit (as legit as any roster height anyway, as they're all inflated) or is he somewhere in between?

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I definitely get what you're saying. What's your definition of "dominating their respective class," though?

Jordan Bohannon is currently averaging just over 23 ppg and leading the state in 3 pointers made. For comparison, Marcus Paige averaged 26/game and he was the #22 overall player in the country. Is 3 points per game the difference between a top 25 recruit and a 3 star recruit? No.


That's why I say AAU ball is taken into consideration more than high school ball. If we're offering guys that have traveled for AAU and are from Iowa, I'm okay with that. They all won't always pan out, just like out of state recruits won't always either.

Yeah I agree with you, if these guys are averaging 20+pts I would say that is pretty good. I just am always hesitant because of the level of competition they are playing. I think the MVC/MAC/and other 4A conferences are tough and good competition. I just worry about the "small school" 3A and lower players. I just worry that they are so much better than their competition, that they don't get much of a look and get "lazy". I look at Flemming, wasn't he just dominating his level of ball in Tenn? He made the move to Oak Hill to prepare himself for Div 1 basketball. I just wonder if some of our 3A recruits are facing that same issue (no competition for them). The only reason I say that is look at Greg Helmers. I know he was a tall body, but he dominated 1A basketball and never really panned out at Iowa. Still a hell of a nice guy, just wonder if he would of benefited from tougher competition in HS.

 

[RocknRollface]

Probably the best since Paige in 2012, not Barnes in 2010.

Will be close.

 

[srams21]

Yeah I agree with you, if these guys are averaging 20+pts I would say that is pretty good. I just am always hesitant because of the level of competition they are playing. I think the MVC/MAC/and other 4A conferences are tough and good competition. I just worry about the "small school" 3A and lower players. I just worry that they are so much better than their competition, that they don't get much of a look and get "lazy". I look at Flemming, wasn't he just dominating his level of ball in Tenn? He made the move to Oak Hill to prepare himself for Div 1 basketball. I just wonder if some of our 3A recruits are facing that same issue (no competition for them). The only reason I say that is look at Greg Helmers. I know he was a tall body, but he dominated 1A basketball and never really panned out at Iowa. Still a hell of a nice guy, just wonder if he would of benefited from tougher competition in HS.

30 years ago, it was a bit more worrisome. Now, with AAU and other outlets, these kids play lots of basketball against top notch competition. In the summer, Kriener and others are going up against many of the top recruits in the midwest and even nationally. Also, I look at each guy's skill sets. How they are used in college is not always how they will be used at the next level.

 

[IamHawkeye]

Like I said they are good when they go against the Iowa Schools. I have not seen anything AAU about these guys. Plus there are so many AAU teams/tournaments, I am sorry but my 12yr old nephew was asked by like 3-4 different teams if he wanted to "try out" for them.

Kriener might only see 1-2 kids all year who can match his height. So he is basically going against kids 3-5in shorter than he is every week. He plays 3A I believe in basketball.

Pemsel is the same way, going against smaller kids, he plays 3A tournament ball, but does go against some solid competition in the MVC. If he can put 20+ a night vs that competition that will be good.

Don't know anything about Kriener's conference foes but NW Iowa always seems to have a lot of tall kids, seemingly more than other parts of the state.

 

[iowaguy88]

Yeah I agree with you, if these guys are averaging 20+pts I would say that is pretty good. I just am always hesitant because of the level of competition they are playing. I think the MVC/MAC/and other 4A conferences are tough and good competition. I just worry about the "small school" 3A and lower players. I just worry that they are so much better than their competition, that they don't get much of a look and get "lazy". I look at Flemming, wasn't he just dominating his level of ball in Tenn? He made the move to Oak Hill to prepare himself for Div 1 basketball. I just wonder if some of our 3A recruits are facing that same issue (no competition for them). The only reason I say that is look at Greg Helmers. I know he was a tall body, but he dominated 1A basketball and never really panned out at Iowa. Still a hell of a nice guy, just wonder if he would of benefited from tougher competition in HS.

30 years ago, it was a bit more worrisome. Now, with AAU and other outlets, these kids play lots of basketball against top notch competition. In the summer, Kriener and others are going up against many of the top recruits in the midwest and even nationally. Also, I look at each guy's skill sets. How they are used in college is not always how they will be used at the next level.

From what I understand Fleming played against a lower tier of competition in Tennessee, but he didn't exactly dominate. 19 PPG 4 RPG 1 APG. He was invited to play for Oak Hill though, where he played a reserve role. Outside of Pierre Pierce & Ricky Davis I can't think of any somewhat recent Hawkeye who would start at Oak Hill. Nearly everyone on the roster goes on to play D1 and no HS has put more players in the NBA than Oak Hill.

As I mentioned in a previous post Kreiner looked good on tape. BUT, a summer matching up against some quality competition isn't very much, not compared to players playing tough HS competition all year. The guys playing against weak HS competition, particularly big men develop bad habits and have a very difficult time adjusting to not only playing against people their size or bigger but also a lot more athletic than they're used to and oftentimes more so than them.

The part that's a bit worrisome is that due to all of the AAU circuits today players play in front of D1 coaches and their scouts routinely during the summer months. Neither Kreiner or Bohannon received a P5 scholarship outside of Iowa. So while they may have played against some solid competition, they may not have looked that good individually. Evidently not to the point to warrant a scholarship. Actually Pemsl hasn't received one either but he did also commit as a Sophomore.

 

[CoachRickVice]

Actually Pemsl hasn't received one either but he did also commit as a Sophomore.

He's been battling injuries pretty consistently over the last year or 2, which I'm sure has made other teams a bit weary about offering an injured kid that's already committed elsewhere. He also had to sit out all summer and some of this year after having surgery. Kind of like Jok, except I don't think he committed that young. There's probably a lot of better ways to spend your recruiting time and efforts if you're an opposing coach.

 

[iowaguy88]

He's been battling injuries pretty consistently over the last year or 2, which I'm sure has made other teams a bit weary about offering an injured kid that's already committed elsewhere. He also had to sit out all summer and some of this year after having surgery. Kind of like Jok, except I don't think he committed that young. There's probably a lot of better ways to spend your recruiting time and efforts if you're an opposing coach.

There are definitely similarities between the two. Pemsl was still top 150 according to Rivals (before the recent update) despite all the injuries, so he's pretty high regarded. Just surprising to see no other P5 offer nonetheless. In regards to Kreiner and Bohannon, it's somewhat alarming that those two don't have any P5 offers either. There were rumors of UNC inquiring about Kreiner, Bohannon is clearly the biggest question mark in my mind as he's barely 6 feet tall and not overly athletic. At least everyone else has a B10 body.

 

[CoachRickVice]

There are definitely similarities between the two. Pemsl was still top 150 according to Rivals (before the recent update) despite all the injuries, so he's pretty high regarded. Just surprising to see no other P5 offer nonetheless. In regards to Kreiner and Bohannon, it's somewhat alarming that those two don't have any P5 offers either. There were rumors of UNC inquiring about Kreiner, Bohannon is clearly the biggest question mark in my mind as he's barely 6 feet tall and not overly athletic. At least everyone else has a B10 body.

I was actually going to address that point, but got sidetracked since I'm at work so I made my post short. It is strange that neither Kreiner or Bohannon have any other P5 offers, especially after winning nationals on the AAU circuit this summer. A lot of people have labeled Bohannon a "fallback," recruit, and I just don't see it like that. I think he'll be a very very good player for the Hawks. I don't know enough about Kreiner to be able to judge his potential. Big guys from Iowa kind of scare me (Woodbury) as far as development goes. But like you said, very strange not to see any other major offers.

 

[skydog0784]

Regarding Kriener as it pertains to P5 offers, according to Yahoo Sports Kriener had offers from Missouri & Minnesota. UNC and WI reportedly asked for his HS transcripts. Although not P5 schools, Wichita State and UNI offered. Kriener blew up late and likely would have received more had we waited but he wanted to be a Hawk and jumped on it immediately. Kriener is a solid pick up.

There is little doubt that Pemsl would have received many P5 conference offers had he not committed to IA as a sophomore and hurt his knee. Both WI and Purdue had showed interest up to that point. As another poster mentioned, he was a multiple top 150 selection including once after he got hurt. I just hope he regains his old form. Pemsl too is a solid pick up.

Bohannon's offer list is indeed less than impressive but I trust Fran sees something. He has proven himself to be a good evaluater of under-appreciated / offered talent.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

By Iowa guys that you haven't seen score at the Big Ten level, I presume you didn't see, Haluska, Horner, Bruner, Oliver, Davis, Li'l Mac, Chris Street, Jess Settles, and Russ Millard score at Iowa? You didn't see the pukes like LaFrentz, Harrison Barnes, Paige,Collison and that really homely kid from Sioux City that went to KU along with Collison. I try to forget the names of ungulaphiles that go to Iowa A&T but I'm sure there have been some pretty good Iowa HS scoring in Ames as well. We've all been watching Gordy's spawn sticking 3 point needles in our eyes for the last decade.

We are a little state and football state at that. Iowa produces a pretty good crop of HS BBallers.

 

[go-hawks37]

When KRIENER committed he had over 25 offers. Had offers from Minnesota, Missouri, Wichita State, UNI, DePaul, etc. From what I've heard from MB coaches is that if he hadn't jumped on the offer from Iowa right away offers were coming from Clemson, Ole Miss, Providence. Wisconsin, Nebraska and Gonzaga were all showing interest as well. I can't believe all of these coaches missed on Kriener. He was the most recruited kid from Iowa.

 

[RocknRollface]

By Iowa guys that you haven't seen score at the Big Ten level, I presume you didn't see, Haluska, Horner, Bruner, Oliver, Davis, Li'l Mac, Chris Street, Jess Settles, and Russ Millard score at Iowa? You didn't see the pukes like LaFrentz, Harrison Barnes, Paige,Collison and that really homely kid from Sioux City that went to KU along with Collison. I try to forget the names of ungulaphiles that go to Iowa A&T but I'm sure there have been some pretty good Iowa HS scoring in Ames as well. We've all been watching Gordy's spawn sticking 3 point needles in our eyes for the last decade.

We are a little state and football state at that. Iowa produces a pretty good crop of HS BBallers.

Kyle Kover and Doug McDermott, also from Iowa.

To say most guys turn out like Ogelsby is silly.

And if Fran had the choice to have another Woodbury he would do it no question.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

Iowa basketball keeps getting better because so many players go to regional and national camps, play AAU, and recently we have stood up really well against Illinois in inter-state competition. In the Quad City Iowa- Illinois Shootout, Iowa dominated this year and won all but two games, I think. In the Wendy's Classic in Dubuque the past few years. the Iowa team has beaten the Chicago--area team more often than not. Even Ulis' powerful team a couple of years ago sneaked out of Dubuque with a squeaker win over Dubuque Senior. When I was young, I remember Dubuque Wahlert beating the legendary Chicago Carver (Cassie Russell was a grad) and Chicago Marshall in consecutive years. Of course there are great teams in the big-city metro areas such as Chicago, but I do want to say that some of these inner-city teams are all-star outfits from local AAU teams. There seem to be no boundaries in the city of Chicago and other large cities. Besides, not infrequently, these inner-city powers get knocked off in the tourneys by suburban schools, which aren't all that different from the top CIML or Mississippi Valley or MAC teams. For being a low-population state, I think we turn out a lot of awfully good players. And surprisingly a lot of very successful college players come from Iowa's smaller schools. I think if Kriener, Bohannon and Pemsl played for Chicago/area schools, they's do just fine and might be much higher-rated. One of my main points is that in big metro areas, these star players seem to "find" each other more often than not, and "happen" to end up on the same local powerhouse team.

 

[yerpHAWK]

Yeah, Iowa kids suck. We start 4 Iowa kids, on what could be our best team in 10 years. I agree we need to go out and get the Marbles, and Whitey's as well, but to not lock up the top 3 players on a strong year for Iowa would be silly. If Iowa had 2 schollys for 2013, would you have not wanted Morgan? 10-13 was an insane period for Iowa basketball talent. It looked like a drought after a 2 year period, but it picks back up again for the next 4 years.

 

[iowaguy88]

I was actually going to address that point, but got sidetracked since I'm at work so I made my post short. It is strange that neither Kreiner or Bohannon have any other P5 offers, especially after winning nationals on the AAU circuit this summer. A lot of people have labeled Bohannon a "fallback," recruit, and I just don't see it like that. I think he'll be a very very good player for the Hawks. I don't know enough about Kreiner to be able to judge his potential. Big guys from Iowa kind of scare me (Woodbury) as far as development goes. But like you said, very strange not to see any other major offers.

He's a fallback in the way that we only offered after we missed out on Moore, Simpson, Tony Carr, Jackson... He was no higher than Fran's 5th choice at the PG position.
He'll probably end up being a solid player for us, Iowa hasn't had a PG that could shoot and space the floor like him since Horner but we'll continue to be without a PG who can break down a defense off the dribble and be a playmaker.

 

[sloehawk]

Like I said they are good when they go against the Iowa Schools. I have not seen anything AAU about these guys. Plus there are so many AAU teams/tournaments, I am sorry but my 12yr old nephew was asked by like 3-4 different teams if he wanted to "try out" for them.

Kriener might only see 1-2 kids all year who can match his height. So he is basically going against kids 3-5in shorter than he is every week. He plays 3A I believe in basketball.

Pemsel is the same way, going against smaller kids, he plays 3A tournament ball, but does go against some solid competition in the MVC. If he can put 20+ a night vs that competition that will be good.

It didn't phase Loren Meyer much playing for Ruthven, a town of 700-800 people. Guy was a stud at ISU and had a nice pro career going before his back went to crap. If you can play, you can play. The size of the town you were born in doesn't matter. Of course we'd like to have guys that dominate Big School Basketball, but domination comes in many forms. I applaud the kids and the parents that stick to their roots and their communities and don't pack up their family to hit the big school with all the bells and whistles because Little Johnny shows some athletic promise. If you can play, they'll find you no matter where you come from.

Nobody wants a roster full of roll the dice players, but these Coaches get paid a lot of money to assess talent at all levels of High School competition. Iowa's National Title contending football team had 3 starters on their D-Line that played 8 man football. If you can play, you can play.

 

[revkev73]

My preference is to win with Iowa kids...

 

[Ronman]

From what I understand Fleming played against a lower tier of competition in Tennessee, but he didn't exactly dominate. 19 PPG 4 RPG 1 APG. He was invited to play for Oak Hill though, where he played a reserve role. Outside of Pierre Pierce & Ricky Davis I can't think of any somewhat recent Hawkeye who would start at Oak Hill. Nearly everyone on the roster goes on to play D1 and no HS has put more players in the NBA than Oak Hill.
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From the official Hawkeye website:

helped lead Ensworth High School in Nashville, Tennessee, to three-straight state titles, earning all-tournament laurels on each championship team... a two-time All-State honoree, earning first team recognition as a junior and third team distinction his sophomore campaign... as a junior, was named Tennessee's Division II-AA Mr. Basketball and was tabbed the state championship Most Valuable Player... led the Region in scoring his sophomore (20.5 ppg) and junior (19.3 ppg) seasons..

That looks pretty dominating to me. Oh, and while he may not have started a lot of games for Oak Hill, every game I saw, Fleming was there at the end, so obviously his coach had a lot of faith in him to close out games.

 

[hooper56]

Anyone expecting anything from kreiner next year are in LA LA land.

I don't see how conor can stick as a college pg. Fran needs to land an explosive playmaker at the position if he wants Iowa to improve.its not going to end well with bohanon, his son, and a raw Christian Williams.

Honest question. How can you call yourself "herkyhopeful" with a post like this? It is anything but hopeful, it is downright negative.
Williams is a stud. He just needs to get a little stronger and get some tuning up. He will be fine.

 

[CyCity]

Honest question. How can you call yourself "herkyhopeful" with a post like this? It is anything but hopeful, it is downright negative.
Williams is a stud. He just needs to get a little stronger and get some tuning up. He will be fine.

How do you know this?

 

[revkev73]

Did he play any minutes last night, this stud?

 

[mazda1]

There are kids that can ball everywhere. If we look at our team those freshman that came from big time schools and the cities are redshirting or riding the pine. Meanwhile some kids who came from "lesser programs" seem to be holding their own. I'm not trying to take a shot at those kids, just pointing out that the level you play at doesn't necessarily make you ready for the next level.

There may be many who when next year is over are very surprised with the stats of Kriener compared to Cook. I am not ready to write off Jason yet either. I haven't seen anyone demonstrate that they were locking down the PG spot next year.

Fran is showing the future of Hawkeye ball IMO when Woody is out and we go with Uhl. Kriener seems to be a guy who can take his man outside, yet is big enough to defend inside. Jones of course is another big who can stretch things out.

Fran has convinced me he knows how to make kids better and the choices he's made lead me to think he knows what he's doing.

 

[jaffarosenfels]

Did he play any minutes last night, this stud?

Has 2 senior point guards playing in front of him.

 

[revkev73]

Did he play any minutes?

 

[Ihawkhoops]

My early 2016 resolution is to panic less over recruiting. I did not say stop panicking all together, just panic less. I tend to get hung up on the guy with more stars, the cool nickname, or the best You Tube dunk clip. Yes, I would still like to get some, OK, all of those guys, but Fran and his staff have yet to consult me prior to offering scholarships. I will strive to adopt a 'wait and see' attitude.

 

[jaffarosenfels]

Did he play any minutes?

No. And why would he with 2 senior point guards in front of him against the #1 team in the country.

 

[revkev73]

15-20 point lead most of the game...with both seniors gone next year...might have been good for a couple of minutes...imho...