I'm curious. There was a USA Today article today about Indiana's chances. They are 6-12 in the conference, 15-14 overall and 12th down the list in the conference. Would like some comment, hopefully without ranting about the Hawks. The article said Hoosiers' resume has "no stain."
Indiana to the Dance?
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The stain is the 14 losses. But several outstanding wins, and solid metric numbers for a 15-14 team as a result. If they win their last two, and then a game or two in the Big Ten Tournament, they would definitely at least be in the discussion I think. It will be interesting to see how the committee goes with, say an 18-15 Indiana vs maybe a 27-7 Furman. There are a bunch of power 5 teams with seemingly too many losses with good NET/Kenpom numbers - Texas, Clemson, Seton Hall, Creighton, Alabama, Florida, and Indiana all have at least 12 losses currently and would probably all be at least in the discussion right now, and most of those would likely be in.
This is why Iowa is in the NCAA tournament no matter what...........
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As I've mentioned before, when teams that are barely over .500 with 14 and 15 losses that are finishing well in the bottom half of their leagues are making the tournament, it's clear there are too many teams making it.
Go back to 48. Indiana, Florida, Alabama, Creighton, Texas, Clemson, Seton Hall, et. al have no business playing for the national title.
Again, in football, you WIN your CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP and you often are not deemed worthy to play for the national title. Not quite the case in basketball. Both sports are getting it very, very wrong.
BTW: In basketball, there was a time when ONLY conference champions made the NCAA tournament. Iowa, for example, tied Ohio State for the Big Ten Conference championship in 1968 (I know--it was a LONG time ago, but it's still true), and the two teams had to play each other to determine who would make the NCAA tournament. Of course, OSU won. Iowa, as co-champion, stayed home. And now we're talking about Indiana and these other teams getting into the event. Sorry, but that's just wrong, and it would be wrong if it were Iowa instead of Indiana.
Go back to 48. Indiana, Florida, Alabama, Creighton, Texas, Clemson, Seton Hall, et. al have no business playing for the national title.
Again, in football, you WIN your CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP and you often are not deemed worthy to play for the national title. Not quite the case in basketball. Both sports are getting it very, very wrong.
BTW: In basketball, there was a time when ONLY conference champions made the NCAA tournament. Iowa, for example, tied Ohio State for the Big Ten Conference championship in 1968 (I know--it was a LONG time ago, but it's still true), and the two teams had to play each other to determine who would make the NCAA tournament. Of course, OSU won. Iowa, as co-champion, stayed home. And now we're talking about Indiana and these other teams getting into the event. Sorry, but that's just wrong, and it would be wrong if it were Iowa instead of Indiana.
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Well, give me a second because you may or may not have a point.....
Indiana I can buy if the cards fall just right for them. However, check this out, I was arguing with a guy in Twitter today who said that Penn State still had a shot if they won out and lose in the BTT championship game. His rankings system told him this to be true. Time to get a new ranking system, fella.
This is why im laughing at the people on this board that thinks IOwa is out if they lose the next 2. Indiana is 6-12 and 15-14 and on the bubble.
Teams below .500 in conference should not get into the dance, regardless of how tough the conference is. They didn't measure up and didn't earn it. Plus it will give more good mid-majors, which usually get snubbed, a spot in the tourney. More chances for cinderellas and upsets. Personal opinion of course.
I don’t share your view but respect your opinion. We would end up with teams with the majority of their wins against Q3-Q4 type teams. St Mary’s or Murray St would be a good example this year. I would like to find a balance though.
Maybe implement no worse than 2 games below .500 in conference play (18 league games) or 4 games below .500 (20 league games). Maybe add some additional play in games and have those iffy teams have at it matching mid majors against the below .500 conference teams. I don’t know the answer just spit balling some ideas.
Exactly. The bubble is atrociously soft [IE, bad] this year.
The Pac12 - & a couple of normally multi-bid leagues (like the MVC) - being complete stinkers of a conference has teams like Indiana thinking they have a shot with the record they do, and might potentially have in over a weeks' time.
With unbalanced conference schedules I don't think this is fair at all. A team 1 game under .500 in the Big 10 could be better than a team ahead of them that finished .500. Especially when you throw in the non-conference schedule which could be a huge difference. The committee doesn't look at conference record, they look at overall resume'. I agree with that approach.
He was a bracketologist of some sort. It was a weird conversation.
I think IU would need four more wins to have a good shot at making the dance. I doubt that they will beat Illannoy and Rutgers, maybe not either. The Goofers probably just punched their ticket, giving the B1G seven, with OSU and IU still breathing. OSU can't win without Kaleb Wesson, and I don't know his status for the rest of the season.
I'm gonna start at 1983, since that is the first year the tournament expanded past 48 teams:
1983- NC State (ACC tourney champs, 4th in conf)
1984- Georgetown (Big East reg. and tourney champs)
*1985- Villanova (4th in Big East)
1986- Louisville (Metro Conf. reg and tourney champs)
1987- Indiana (Big Ten champs)
1988- Kansas (3rd in Big 8)
1989- Michigan (3rd in Big Ten)
1990- UNLV (Big West reg and tourney champs)
1991- Duke (ACC reg champs)
1992- Duke (ACC reg and tourney champs)
1993- North Carolina (ACC reg champs)
1994- Arkansas (SEC reg champs)
1995- UCLA (Pac 10 champs)
1996- Kentucky (SEC reg champs)
1997- Arizona (5th in Pac 10)
1998- Kentucky (SEC reg and tourney champs)
1999- UConn (Big East reg and tourney champs)
2000- Michigan State (Big Ten reg and tourney champs)
2001- Duke (ACC reg and tourney champs)
2002- Maryland (ACC reg champs)
2003- Syracuse (Big East reg champs)
2004- UConn (Big East tourney champs, 2nd in conf.)
2005- North Carolina (ACC reg champs)
2006- Florida (SEC tourney champs)
2007- Florida (SEC reg and tourney champs)
2008- Kansas (Big 12 reg and tourney champs)
2009- North Carolina (ACC reg champs)
2010- Duke (ACC reg and tourney champs)
2011- UConn (Big East tourney champs, 9th in conf.)
2012- Kentucky (SEC reg champs)
2013- Louisville (Big East reg and tourney champs)
2014- UConn (2nd in AAC)
2015- Duke (2nd in ACC)
2016- Villanova (Big East reg champs)
2017- North Carolina (ACC reg champs)
2018- Villanova (Big East tourney champs, 2nd in conf.)
So that would be NCAA Tournament champions that won:
Regular and Tournament champs- 12
Regular Season champs only- 13
Conf. Tournament champs only- 5
Won as At-Large Invites- 6
So there you have 11 teams in the last 36 years that won the championship after either winning their conference's tourney or just catching fire as an at-large, as 8-seed Villanova did in 1985, which was the first year of 64 teams.
That's 11 teams (some pretty good ones too) that would've otherwise not gotten a chance to win a championship if the NCAA only took regular season conference champions.
1983- NC State (ACC tourney champs, 4th in conf)
1984- Georgetown (Big East reg. and tourney champs)
*1985- Villanova (4th in Big East)
1986- Louisville (Metro Conf. reg and tourney champs)
1987- Indiana (Big Ten champs)
1988- Kansas (3rd in Big 8)
1989- Michigan (3rd in Big Ten)
1990- UNLV (Big West reg and tourney champs)
1991- Duke (ACC reg champs)
1992- Duke (ACC reg and tourney champs)
1993- North Carolina (ACC reg champs)
1994- Arkansas (SEC reg champs)
1995- UCLA (Pac 10 champs)
1996- Kentucky (SEC reg champs)
1997- Arizona (5th in Pac 10)
1998- Kentucky (SEC reg and tourney champs)
1999- UConn (Big East reg and tourney champs)
2000- Michigan State (Big Ten reg and tourney champs)
2001- Duke (ACC reg and tourney champs)
2002- Maryland (ACC reg champs)
2003- Syracuse (Big East reg champs)
2004- UConn (Big East tourney champs, 2nd in conf.)
2005- North Carolina (ACC reg champs)
2006- Florida (SEC tourney champs)
2007- Florida (SEC reg and tourney champs)
2008- Kansas (Big 12 reg and tourney champs)
2009- North Carolina (ACC reg champs)
2010- Duke (ACC reg and tourney champs)
2011- UConn (Big East tourney champs, 9th in conf.)
2012- Kentucky (SEC reg champs)
2013- Louisville (Big East reg and tourney champs)
2014- UConn (2nd in AAC)
2015- Duke (2nd in ACC)
2016- Villanova (Big East reg champs)
2017- North Carolina (ACC reg champs)
2018- Villanova (Big East tourney champs, 2nd in conf.)
So that would be NCAA Tournament champions that won:
Regular and Tournament champs- 12
Regular Season champs only- 13
Conf. Tournament champs only- 5
Won as At-Large Invites- 6
So there you have 11 teams in the last 36 years that won the championship after either winning their conference's tourney or just catching fire as an at-large, as 8-seed Villanova did in 1985, which was the first year of 64 teams.
That's 11 teams (some pretty good ones too) that would've otherwise not gotten a chance to win a championship if the NCAA only took regular season conference champions.
So, you're predicting that the Hawks are going to catch fire and win the next 11 games. I am on board
IF and that is a big IF, Indiana were to win their remaining BIG10 games, plus get to the Championship game in Chicago, then the Hoosiers might want to watch the Announcement show, otherwise, no.
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After tonight's dismantling of the Illini on the road, talking heads seem to think IU needs to beat Rutgers to finish at 17-14/8-12 AND win at least 2 more in Chicago to get in.
"The Schwab" had them as first four out going into tonight.
With 6 Quad 1 wins, that should also help.
"The Schwab" had them as first four out going into tonight.
With 6 Quad 1 wins, that should also help.
