Injuries

[Sandor45]

Are we just unlucky? I know it’s a rough sport and a long season, but why does it seem to affect us more than others? Penn st guys seem healthy and agile not just year round but career round. What are they doing different?
We talk about getting elite recruits but keeping guys healthy is as important.

 

[Chips28]

The Penn state guys are quite obviously on the supplement plan. And doesn’t appear to be any illegal ones. The other thing is and it’s been mentioned before is they have a different recovery philosophy. My other thought is they spend more time wrestling for conditioning/cardio and less time on running stairs etc.

All that said injuries are most of the time freak things or just being unlucky.

 

[dtripp26]

Are we just unlucky? I know it’s a rough sport and a long season, but why does it seem to affect us more than others? Penn st guys seem healthy and agile not just year round but career round. What are they doing different?
We talk about getting elite recruits but keeping guys healthy is as important.

How would we ever know know the health of 330 wrestlers at NCAAs? Not to mention the ones who were injured in qualifiers and couldn't even compete?

Was RBY injured? Facundo? Dean?

Last year was a disaster in terms of injuries but to think we are more impacted than other teams is a bit presumptive.

But if were going to place blame here it's gotta be either Morningstar, Fran or Barta.

 

[Spicolli]

The Penn state guys are quite obviously on the supplement plan. And doesn’t appear to be any illegal ones. The other thing is and it’s been mentioned before is they have a different recovery philosophy. My other thought is they spend more time wrestling for conditioning/cardio and less time on running stairs etc.

All that said injuries are most of the time freak things or just being unlucky.

I doubt Cobe hurt his sholder running stairs

 

[Redm18]

If nothing else we have the title wrapped up for most head wraps and face bandages.

 

[HawkMachine]

I linked an article I found several months ago which talked about how PSU's philosophy changed after Cael came.

The wrestler (Molinaro) said he immediately noticed a lower amount of injuries.

I believe pretty strongly that they do things different.

Yet the board laughed at me.

Yes, I'm aware, CSB.

 

[T8KUDWN]

I doubt Cobe hurt his sholder running stairs

Cobe's style of wrestling will make his chance of being injured a little higher than others. Your body can only be in so many funky positions before it gives.

 

[Sandor45]

I linked an article I found several months ago which talked about how PSU's philosophy changed after Cael came.

The wrestler (Molinaro) said he immediately noticed a lower amount of injuries.

I believe pretty strongly that they do things different.

Yet the board laughed at me.

Yes, I'm aware, CSB.

Penn st wrestlers seem to have more tensegrity in their bodies. (Look it up for a real definition) but tensegrity is basically muscles and tendons ability to hold up a structure better. (Suspension bridge)
Our guys are strong and powerful, but do they have the body control, awareness, and muscle stimulation to be able to stop the train and change directions?

 

[Cradle_king27]

I actually think the staff has made some good adjustments here.

In the past I would agree with you, the way we train or compete has clearly led to some more injuries so that guys are banged up at the end of the year. At NCAA's we were the walking wounded

This year we got stronger as the year went on, not the other way around. I don't think it was coincidence.

 

[Chips28]

I doubt Cobe hurt his sholder running stairs

I doubt you read my post

 

[Chips28]

I linked an article I found several months ago which talked about how PSU's philosophy changed after Cael came.

The wrestler (Molinaro) said he immediately noticed a lower amount of injuries.

I believe pretty strongly that they do things different.

Yet the board laughed at me.

Yes, I'm aware, CSB.

Link? Does it get into specifics?

 

[Chips28]

I actually think the staff has made some good adjustments here.

In the past I would agree with you, the way we train or compete has clearly led to some more injuries so that guys are banged up at the end of the year. At NCAA's we were the walking wounded

This year we got stronger as the year went on, not the other way around. I don't think it was coincidence.

I definitely agree with this. They really turned it up the last month of the season, wrestled their best.

 

[SPOONER]

I actually think the staff has made some good adjustments here.

In the past I would agree with you, the way we train or compete has clearly led to some more injuries so that guys are banged up at the end of the year. At NCAA's we were the walking wounded

This year we got stronger as the year went on, not the other way around. I don't think it was coincidence.

Agreed. It might have been the healthiest the team was all year. We had Cobe's shoulder but not much else of significance. Not bad, really.

Don't forget that PSU lost their 125 for the season due to injury and I'm not so certain other guys weren't at far less than their best compared to the competition.

 

[HawkMachine]

Link? Does it get into specifics?

Specifics? Not really.

Talked a little about weight cutting changes. Not even joking, Molinaro said wrestling became fun again.

Had my son make a couple changes this year. Was pleased.

 

[Chips28]

Specifics? Not really.

Talked a little about weight cutting changes. Not even joking, Molinaro said wrestling became fun again.

Had my son make a couple changes this year. Was pleased.

What were the changes?

 

[HawkMachine]

What were the changes?

No practices in full sweats.

Cael said he could tell if a kid came to practice to get better or a kid came to lose weight.

He wants his kids coming to practice to GET BETTER.

So even the night before a meet/tourney, no full sweats.

My son said he can practice much better in just shorts and a tshirt. Can practice more intense, doesn't get tired as quickly. So I took Cael's idea, no more full sweat practices.

 

[bourbon n blues]

Penn st wrestlers seem to have more tensegrity in their bodies. (Look it up for a real definition) but tensegrity is basically muscles and tendons ability to hold up a structure better. (Suspension bridge)
Our guys are strong and powerful, but do they have the body control, awareness, and muscle stimulation to be able to stop the train and change directions?

Yep, it is a thing .

 

[IAROY]

I still think the season is too long. October, November, December, January, February, and March. Basically 6 months of wrestling is going to be hard on the body and I would think the mind as well.

 

[Cradle_king27]

I linked an article I found several months ago which talked about how PSU's philosophy changed after Cael came.

The wrestler (Molinaro) said he immediately noticed a lower amount of injuries.

I believe pretty strongly that they do things different.

Yet the board laughed at me.

Yes, I'm aware, CSB.

Any idea where one could find said article?

 

[Kwoodhawk]

After seeing so many videos of the Room with sweat all over the mats, it makes me wonder if dehydration could be a contributing factor to all of the injuries.

 

[WildTurk]

After seeing so many videos of the Room with sweat all over the mats, it makes me wonder if dehydration could be a contributing factor to all of the injuries.

J'den Cox was drilling in the room

 

[bdcolt45er]

After seeing so many videos of the Room with sweat all over the mats, it makes me wonder if dehydration could be a contributing factor to all of the injuries.

Not dehydration it's just really slippery in the room.

 

[Redm18]

I can't imagine a wrestling room that's not just soaked in sweat unless either the guys are wear rubber suits, or it's so cold to start out with that the mat's are overly hard from the temp and guys are at a risk of catching colds. Granted I've only been to open practices but it seems like the Iowa guys had access to water.

 

[bdcolt45er]

I have really bought into the belief that most training should be low to moderate intensity. I think this is really how you develop endurance and IMO you need to drill in low intensity in order to improve skills.

I do worry that some guys are breaking down due to the volume of wrestling that is done at youth levels. Some of these guys have burned a lot of tread on their tires before they even arrive on campus. That is a system wide issue.

In terms of the injuries I think it is hard to say. ACL injury is usually the result of the lower half of the leg being immobilized and the upper half continuing to move. In other words it is not a use injury it is circumstance injury. I suppose that some guys may be taking more risks and that increases their chances of sustaining an ACL injury. Shoulders I don't really know.

I don't know how Iowa trains. I think the goal should be mostly wrestling in light to mod intensity. I would think that high intensity drilling increases risk for injury. You aren't thinking as clearly when you are fatigued and may try to shortcut rather than using proper technique.

In general I would agree that Iowa seems to have less bulky guys. Should we build more guys into their weight. Are Iowa guys cutting more? I don't know.