Interviewer asks Seinfeld about guests being "mostly white males".
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Good for him.
DEI insanity needs to be pushed back against in all of its forms.
Imagine an interviewer going on BET and saying I notice most of your hosts are Black.
DEI insanity needs to be pushed back against in all of its forms.
Imagine an interviewer going on BET and saying I notice most of your hosts are Black.
I'm totally with you, but I think the answer is simpler. Seinfeld is 69. His age group - his audience is 65% white at least.
But Americans under the age of 20-something, "Gen Z," if you will, are 54% brown or black. That's where the whole DEI thing is coming from: how do we old, white, straight people relate to, and work with, our replacements and care takers who are mostly brown and black, and 20% LGBTQI to boot?
Anyone ever ask Dave Chappelle about the demographics of his audience? What a completely dumb a$$ question to ask.
Call me up when Jerry has a no minority policy at his shows.
Call me up when Jerry has a no minority policy at his shows.
Not to mention this little unknown fact (apparently):
| Population | |
|---|---|
| White alone, percent | 75.5% |
| Black or African American alone, percent(a) | 13.6% |
| American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) | 1.3% |
| Asian alone, percent(a) | 6.3% |
When Chappelle was at Hoyt Sherman he did look around and say there's a lot of honkies in here. It would have drove the Ron Cubas and KFDisciples of the world mad. They would have stood up, with their t-shirts tucked into their belt-less jeans, and walked right out.
I like Chapelle. I saw him in Des Moines ten years ago and really enjoyed the show.
I bet his routine on trannies had you going crazy you pussy. I like how your ilk tried to cancel him.
Also, remember when you tried to get me banned for swearing? Then you call me a pussy. Too good. Go back to church & pray for your sins to your little sky fairy.
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I just look at this as an example of tv shows are cast/produced now vs then. Seinfeld aired in 1989. Heck, based on it's early ratings for the first season or two (TV junkies correct me on this), there's a decent chance if it premiered today it gets cancelled early and never becomes one of the great comedy shows ever. Of course, back then viewing options were drastically limited than today with all of the streaming options and hundreds more cable channels that exist now.
I don't love it when tv shows today force diversity into it's casts - there's ways to do so organically and the good ones capture that effectively and are often the ones that last imo.
I don't love it when tv shows today force diversity into it's casts - there's ways to do so organically and the good ones capture that effectively and are often the ones that last imo.
Do you actually believe those stats, literally none of that is accurate.
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Wasn’t it the liberals that wanted chappelle cancelled? Odd irony here.
It was almost cancelled back then. It took some time to get it's footing and gain an audience.
Friends wasn't very diverse either but I loved that show too.
I think the interesting thing about all this is how our expectations for diversity have changed in the past 30 years. And that's a good thing.
I agree we've come a long way the past 30 years. Here's a question for you (or anyone else who has thoughts on the matter), do you feel diversity should be applied more so to each show or each network?
In other words should a show like Friends (all white cast) and a show like Bel-Air (all black cast) be diverse in and of itself, or should each show be considered diverse due to its network representation? Simpler put, do you feel each show should be reflective of each demographic OR do we ensure that every demographic has representation across media in general?
I think each show should do what they can do to attract an audience. A show that tries to be realistic in a big city environment will probably want to be very diverse. A show that focuses on a rural community, for instance, will likely be less diverse. I don't think Seinfeld or Friends would look the same today as it did 30 years ago and be as successful.
I think the industry should be diverse overall.
I think the industry is pretty diverse overall as well. I just like things to be authentic/organic, not forced (like you said above regarding rural vs big city). For example, don't just make Superman Black. That's lazy. Create an entirely new Kryptonian character and give him/her depth and their own story (like John Stewart vs Hal Jordan). Support characters, like Fishburne as Perry White in the Man of Steel, was a great idea, IMO.
That said, if they released a black Superman film, I won't lose one moment of sleep nor will I take to social media breaking all my Christopher Reeve merch (I'm a huge Superman fan, hence why I used that as my example). It's just an opinion, not life or death. I remember watching a video of little minority kids watching the trailer for the black Little Mermaid and their reactions of, "Look Mommy, she looks like me" was worth more than maintaining the integrity of a fictional character.
Also, if I'm watching Yellowstone about ranchers, I think adding a drag queen to the show for DEI would be a bit forced and out of place.
I actually agree with what you said, see my post above. I don’t like when shows shove how diverse they are down the audiences throat, see the recent Supergirl show if you watched that.I think the industry is pretty diverse overall as well. I just like things to be authentic/organic, not forced (like you said above regarding rural vs big city). For example, don't just make Superman Black. That's lazy. Create an entirely new Kryptonian character and give him/her depth and their own story (like John Stewart vs Hal Jordan). Support characters, like Fishburne as Perry White in the Man of Steel, was a great idea, IMO.
That said, if they released a black Superman film, I won't lose one moment of sleep nor will I take to social media breaking all my Christopher Reeve merch (I'm a huge Superman fan, hence why I used that as my example). It's just an opinion, not life or death. I remember watching a video of little minority kids watching the trailer for the black Little Mermaid and their reactions of, "Look Mommy, she looks like me" was worth more than maintaining the integrity of a fictional character.
Also, if I'm watching Yellowstone about ranchers, I think adding a drag queen to the show for DEI would be a bit forced and out of place.
Ummmm.... wtf? A black Superman is what you're concerned about? JFC. That's an excellent example of the racism issues that still exist. You can't imagine a fictional character being black - as if that has any importance to the plot. You must have gone into a hissy fit when a black actor played Hamlet.I think the industry is pretty diverse overall as well. I just like things to be authentic/organic, not forced (like you said above regarding rural vs big city). For example, don't just make Superman Black. That's lazy. Create an entirely new Kryptonian character and give him/her depth and their own story (like John Stewart vs Hal Jordan). Support characters, like Fishburne as Perry White in the Man of Steel, was a great idea, IMO.
That said, if they released a black Superman film, I won't lose one moment of sleep nor will I take to social media breaking all my Christopher Reeve merch (I'm a huge Superman fan, hence why I used that as my example). It's just an opinion, not life or death. I remember watching a video of little minority kids watching the trailer for the black Little Mermaid and their reactions of, "Look Mommy, she looks like me" was worth more than maintaining the integrity of a fictional character.
Also, if I'm watching Yellowstone about ranchers, I think adding a drag queen to the show for DEI would be a bit forced and out of place.
And while Yellowstone didn't have a drag queen as part of their story line they did incorporate LGBTQ+. Diversity doesn't have to be completely overt and obvious - particularly if they want to be realistic.
Concerned about? Not at all. Just making conversation did you read the entire post or just stop at Black superman.
I used it as an example for several reasons, because fictional characters seem to be what trigger people, but not me unless you missed that part. I also used that example because I'm a huge Superman fan. I would absolutely go see a black Superman character.
I was simply stating turning white characters to minority characters is lazy.
To be fair, my understanding is that there’s a comic book series where Superman is black. Not that most casual fans would know that - not meaning you, just public in general
FWIW, the interviewer wasn't talking about the Seinfeld tv show. That interview was about 10 years ago and he was referencing Jerry's guests on Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee.
Yup. It's a series featuring Calvin Ellis, not Clark Kent, as the man of Steel. I have a few of the issues (can't remember how many there are). Calvin was based off Barack Obama, iirc.
I love alternate takes like Speeding Bullets (what if Clark landed in Gotham instead of Smallville or Red Son (what if Clark landed in Russia instead of Smallville).
Like I said above, I like original stories. Don't just take Clark Kent and his whole story and recast him black. It's lazy. It's just checking the diversity box. Create something new and authentic (like I posted above).
Mmkay. If me calling out stupid ass hypocrisy and irony is hate, so be it.
Seems you were triggered by the thought of a black Superman. After all, you used it as a specific example.
Why is Superman a "white character"?
There's one thing you need to consider when it comes to diversity in comedy: minorities are not as attracted to 'white' comedy as white audiences are to ethnic minority comedians.
My wife is black as are all of my in-laws. They have absolutely no interest in seeing Dave Attell, Brian Regan, Jerry Seinfeld, Jim Gaffigan.....you name it. I've dragged her to see Attell three times and after the last time she said 'I cannot believe you find that man funny. That was my last Dave Attell show'.
Now, if it's Cedric the Entertainer, Dave Chappelle, Sommore, Earthquake, Katt Williams, etc.....they're in. Alot of black folks don't find white comedians to be that funny. When you see a Seinfeld, Regan, Leno, Louis CK, etc....the crowds are almost entirely white.
What's interesting is that at some point, a black comedian will crossover and become popular with white audiences. This is especially true for Chris Rock and Chappelle. I think the Rock show I went to was 85% white audience. Now, Earthquake, DL Hughley, DC Young Fly, etc.....all black audiences.
With that in mind, I think white audiences have had a big impact on black comedians. Notice Chappelle and Rock have completely evolved from pure comedy to more of a social commentator. They've really seemed to have taken advantage of that new found platform.
My wife is black as are all of my in-laws. They have absolutely no interest in seeing Dave Attell, Brian Regan, Jerry Seinfeld, Jim Gaffigan.....you name it. I've dragged her to see Attell three times and after the last time she said 'I cannot believe you find that man funny. That was my last Dave Attell show'.
Now, if it's Cedric the Entertainer, Dave Chappelle, Sommore, Earthquake, Katt Williams, etc.....they're in. Alot of black folks don't find white comedians to be that funny. When you see a Seinfeld, Regan, Leno, Louis CK, etc....the crowds are almost entirely white.
What's interesting is that at some point, a black comedian will crossover and become popular with white audiences. This is especially true for Chris Rock and Chappelle. I think the Rock show I went to was 85% white audience. Now, Earthquake, DL Hughley, DC Young Fly, etc.....all black audiences.
With that in mind, I think white audiences have had a big impact on black comedians. Notice Chappelle and Rock have completely evolved from pure comedy to more of a social commentator. They've really seemed to have taken advantage of that new found platform.
How it’s executed matters a lot imo. You also mentioned when they cast a black actress as Ariel in the live action version for that.
Have to admit, I still think the “outrage” over that was hilarious. While that movie had its issues, none of them imo were because there was a black mermaid.
Nope. Not triggered at all. I would say the same thing if the roles were reversed. Don't just make Blade white to check a box.
I'm sorry you want this to be be more, but I'm not H4aD.
You mentioned the demographics for a show in the city, would possibly be different than a rural setting. Can you give me an example of what that would look like? I simply used Superman, because I've seen people lose their crap over fictional characters.
Not sure why me saying it's "lazy" equates to "triggered" for you.
The Earth 23 series isn't lazy and I have 6 issues in the series.
Are you one who thinks it inappropriate for Hamlet to be portrayed by a black person too?
You're comparing a completely new series to one that has been around for a long, long time. Casting Superman or Hamlet or Archie Bunker based on race is antiquated - at best.
I may have missed it, but did Shakespeare do illustrations?
Wait - that's your argument? It was drawn that way back when Jim Crow was the rule so now we can't consider an alternative? That Superman being black somehow alters the story?
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