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Wait - that's your argument? It was drawn that way back when Jim Crow was the rule so now we can't consider an alternative? That Superman being black somehow alters the story?
So Jim Crow is the reason there is no alt "Superman"? Are YOU saying that black folks were supressed/discriminated against from creating a "black" super hero? Seems lazy to me.

Sure we can consider alt superheros, no problem here. Just seems lazy to me.

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I think Superman should look more like ET. The relationship with Lois Lane would be a little weird, but calling him the Man of Steel would crack me up.

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You're comparing a completely new series to one that has been around for a long, long time. Casting Superman or Hamlet or Archie Bunker based on race is antiquated - at best.
Then say that or ask questions for clarification. I've been posting here long enough to where it should be pretty clear that I am not racist, unless you can point to a post that has shown my character to be otherwise. Instead you accused me of being racist and triggered and even extended it to my supposed views of a black Hamlet.

This forum should be a place where we can exchange ideas and benefit from the complexities & diversities that make up this board.

Just because we have to sift through the trolls, doesn't mean the adults can't have a discussion.
 
So Jim Crow is the reason there is no alt "Superman"? Are YOU saying that black folks were supressed/discriminated against from creating a "black" super hero? Seems lazy to me.

Sure we can consider alt superheros, no problem here. Just seems lazy to me.

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LOL - only a moron could come to that conclusion. Or a racist.
 
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Then say that or ask questions for clarification. I've been posting here long enough to where it should be pretty clear that I am not racist, unless you can point to a post that has shown my character to be otherwise. Instead you accused me of being racist and triggered and even extended it to my supposed views of a black Hamlet.

This forum should be a place where we can exchange ideas and benefit from the complexities & diversities that make up this board.

Just because we have to sift through the trolls, doesn't mean the adults can't have a discussion.
I think you are a classic example of a white person who doesn't think they are racist (and probably aren't) but still exhibits biases that are based in racism.

There's no valid reason why a Superman story has to be based on a white character. IMO.
 
I think you are a classic example of a white person who doesn't think they are racist (and probably aren't) but still exhibits biases that are based in racism.
That's just nonsense (the racist part). However, every single person on earth is subject to conscious and unconscious bias and to think otherwise is disingenuous. Those biases are a product of the environment we grew up in, the country we were born in, religious exposure (or not), political, cultural, etc.
There's no valid reason why a Superman story has to be based on a white character. IMO.
I 100% agree. You're missing the point. It already IS a white character and we can't go back and change that. Why would a black actor want to come in and just rehash some already told a (dozen times or more) "white" story? I feel the same way about all the needless reboots that lack originality. I simply limited the scope to race due to the topic of the thread. If you don't think replacing a currently white character with a black actor isn't lazy, then that is okay too. You are entitled to that opinion. If Michael B. Jordan was cast as the next Superman, I'd be there opening night (of course, hoping he took it in a new direction and made the character his own).

Furthermore, I bet if you polled the black community you'd get varying responses there too, some agreeing with my opinion and some not. Why? Black Americans aren't a homogenous group of collective thought.
 
I think you are a classic example of a white person who doesn't think they are racist (and probably aren't) but still exhibits biases that are based in racism.

There's no valid reason why a Superman story has to be based on a white character. IMO.
You mean other than the authors created it in 1933, and that was the story they wanted to tell?
 
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Not to mention this little unknown fact (apparently):

Population
White alone, percent 75.5%
Black or African American alone, percent(a) 13.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) 1.3%
Asian alone, percent(a) 6.3%
Those numbers are wrong. Where did they come from? Are they including Hispanics/Latinos as ‘white’?
 
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I think you are a classic example of a white person who doesn't think they are racist (and probably aren't) but still exhibits biases that are based in racism.

There's no valid reason why a Superman story has to be based on a white character. IMO.
Everyone has some sort of bias. Everyone. It’s human nature based on perceived experience.
 
That's just nonsense (the racist part). However, every single person on earth is subject to conscious and unconscious bias and to think otherwise is disingenuous. Those biases are a product of the environment we grew up in, the country we were born in, religious exposure (or not), political, cultural, etc.

I 100% agree. You're missing the point. It already IS a white character and we can't go back and change that. Why would a black actor want to come in and just rehash some already told a (dozen times or more) "white" story? I feel the same way about all the needless reboots that lack originality. I simply limited the scope to race due to the topic of the thread. If you don't think replacing a currently white character with a black actor isn't lazy, then that is okay too. You are entitled to that opinion. If Michael B. Jordan was cast as the next Superman, I'd be there opening night (of course, hoping he took it in a new direction and made the character his own).

Furthermore, I bet if you polled the black community you'd get varying responses there too, some agreeing with my opinion and some not. Why? Black Americans aren't a homogenous group of collective thought.
The point being that those with the biases are less likely to express it, which is some progress. Particularly when you have the option of reviewing your thoughts and then hitting post.

Superman is a character that you have assumed to be "white" because it was presented that way originally. The sad part being is you believing Superman being "white" is a major component of the character.
 
The point being that those with the biases are less likely to express it, which is some progress. Particularly when you have the option of reviewing your thoughts and then hitting post.

Superman is a character that you have assumed to be "white" because it was presented that way originally. The sad part being is you believing Superman being "white" is a major component of the character.
Jordan Peele said, "Black voices will tell good stories just like anybody else." I see Jordan Peele as a Black creator who is looking to tell fresh new stories. Replacing a well-established white character with a black character without thoughtful consideration for the new character's unique story and background can indeed feel like a superficial attempt at diversity. Calvin Ellis's, like the original Clark Kent's, appeal lies not in his race, but in his individuality and the richness of his narrative.

Diversity in storytelling should involve creating new, compelling characters from diverse backgrounds rather than simply swapping existing ones. That's all I was trying to say. Heck, they did it back in the 1970s with the Super Friends. Instead of just making Batman Black, they introduced Apache Chief, Black Vulcan, and Samurai. Are the races of these characters what's really important? It certainly shouldn't be, but for how long did white characters dominate the comics? I think Black Panther was the first Black superhero introduced in the 60s and it was a fresh new character.
 
Good grief. You can't have a decent conversation on here because most of the right wingers are idiots and the liberals are arrogant always thinking they're correct.
 
Then say that or ask questions for clarification. I've been posting here long enough to where it should be pretty clear that I am not racist, unless you can point to a post that has shown my character to be otherwise. Instead you accused me of being racist and triggered and even extended it to my supposed views of a black Hamlet.

This forum should be a place where we can exchange ideas and benefit from the complexities & diversities that make up this board.

Just because we have to sift through the trolls, doesn't mean the adults can't have a discussion.
I'll help you out here and let you know where you have made your mistake. Riley isn't one of the adults.
 
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