Iowa 3 Pt Shooting. Brock is shooting a Team Best 38.1%

[Franisdaman]

Opponents are obviously going to focus on Payton, who has taken almost a third of the team's 248 attempts. Brock (by percentage, the team's best 3 point shooter) & Josh (third best) are shooting well from three; they just don't have the shot volume that Payton does. The numbers follow.

In 4 of our 12 games, as a team, we have shot 26% or worse from three.

Against Creighton, shooting 43% as a team from three was not enough.

12-24 (50%)....North Dakota
9-29 (31%)......Alabama State
6-14 (43%)......Creighton
2-12 (17%).....Arkansas State
4-23 (17%).....Oklahoma
7-19 (37%)......Seton Hall
8-14 (57%)......North Florida
6-18 (33%)......Purdue
8-26 (31%)......Iowa State
5-20 (25%).....Michigan
10-26 (39%)....Florida A&M
6-23 (26%).....UMBC
.................................................
83-248 (33.5%) Team Totals


The Team Totals Broken Down:

8-21 (38.1%) Brock
30-80 (37.5%) Payton
7-19 (36.8%) Josh

38-128 (29.7%) Rest of Team

 

[goodbyebobby]

When Fran, finally, leaves do you change your moniker to the next coach then act as if is omnipotent and can do nothing wrong?

Due to Fran's recruiting this is a crappy team who has a very legit shot at last place in conference. I have yet to see a conference for we can beat.

They have one, maybe two, Big 10 bodies and the rest of the roster are MVC support personnel, period.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

This team was built to be shooters. If they don't shoot well, there is nothing to fall back on.

Open 3's and couldn't knock them down all night.

UMBC shot 52% from 3.

I don't get it.

 

[ObeseMuffins]

Well, that ain't good.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

When Fran, finally, leaves do you change your moniker to the next coach then act as if is omnipotent and can do nothing wrong?

Due to Fran's recruiting this is a crappy team who has a very legit shot at last place in conference. I have yet to see a conference for we can beat.

They have one, maybe two, Big 10 bodies and the rest of the roster are MVC support personnel, period.

Iowa is better than or equal to about 7 other B1G teams. It’s a really down year. Last? I doubt it. I’d put PSU as the front runner for dead last.

 

[Iafootballfan]

We have shooters however we are missing a player who CREATES those shots. The last 5-7 years we've always had someone who requires a double (Garza) or can break the defense down off the dribble (Murray's) where shooters can take advantage. This year the shooters also have to create which makes it much more difficult.

 

[ddeanHawk]

We have shooters however we are missing a player who CREATES those shots. The last 5-7 years we've always had someone who requires a double (Garza) or can break the defense down off the dribble (Murray's) where shooters can take advantage. This year the shooters also have to create which makes it much more difficult.

Brock Harding

 

[tippet1]

If I am an opposing team, Harding would not concern me enough to sag off Iowa's shooters. Part of the problem is his size and their shooters have not made shots consistently enough to be a major threat.

 

[Iafootballfan]

Brock Harding

If he can prove himself enough to where defense has to respect his ability to finish in the paint then I would agree - he's close.

 

[BustingNarratives]

Harding was impressive at both ends of the floor last night.

 

[LukaDuka]

Harding was impressive at both ends of the floor last night.

against a very poor team though. Hopefully he can continue this in the Big10.

 

[LukaDuka]

Opponents are obviously going to focus on Payton, who has taken almost a third of the team's 248 attempts. Brock (by percentage, the team's best 3 point shooter) & Josh (third best) are shooting well from three; they just don't have the shot volume that Payton does. The numbers follow.

In 4 of our 12 games, as a team, we have shot 26% or worse from three.

Against Creighton, shooting 43% as a team from three was not enough.

12-24 (50%)....North Dakota
9-29 (31%)......Alabama State
6-14 (43%)......Creighton
2-12 (17%).....Arkansas State
4-23 (17%).....Oklahoma
7-19 (37%)......Seton Hall
8-14 (57%)......North Florida
6-18 (33%)......Purdue
8-26 (31%)......Iowa State
5-20 (25%).....Michigan
10-26 (39%)....Florida A&M
6-23 (26%).....UMBC
.................................................
83-248 (33.5%) Team Totals


The Team Totals Broken Down:

8-21 (38.1%) Brock
30-80 (37.5%) Payton
7-19 (36.8%) Josh

38-128 (29.7%) Rest of Team

What was Harding's 3pt pct in high school? Where did the majority of his points come from? I know he's a decent shooter, but I'm not sold that's his greatest value to this team. He's only shot 21 3's & most have been wide open looks. I've seen him rush his shot and clank some. His low release could become a problem against good defensive teams with length. He only needs to knock down 1 or 2 per game to keep teams honest & he can then get the defense off their feet for dribble drive & dishes. He should not be a volume shooter like JBo was. His greatest value was shown last night with his passing and getting teammates involved. This leads to better team chemistry and effort when all are getting fed bucket leading passes.

 

[RocknRollface]

If I am an opposing team, Harding would not concern me enough to sag off Iowa's shooters. Part of the problem is his size and their shooters have not made shots consistently enough to be a major threat.

If the ballhandler can get by his man with a path to the basket the defense will always try to cut him off.

 

[tippet1]

If the ballhandler can get by his man with a path to the basket the defense will always try to cut him off.

I kind of worded it wrong. When guys do help to stop the drive, with how Iowa is shooting the ball on the perimeter, I would make them make shots before closing out hard on shooters. I have the feeling Iowa's shooting isn't going to get much better from distance.

 

[RocknRollface]

I kind of worded it wrong. When guys do help to stop the drive, with how Iowa is shooting the ball on the perimeter, I would make them make shots before closing out hard on shooters. I have the feeling Iowa's shooting isn't going to get much better from distance.

That makes sense.

It's a lot like last year, when Iowa makes open 3s they can potentially win and when they aren't making open 3s there's very little potential to beat a decent team.

The really have to shoot even better this year because the defense is actually worse.

 

[Franisdaman]

That makes sense.

It's a lot like last year, when Iowa makes open 3s they can potentially win and when they aren't making open 3s there's very little potential to beat a decent team.

The really have to shoot even better this year because the defense is actually worse.

Our offense is worse this year, too.

Per KemPom, our offense is #20 and our defense is #139

 

[jonesy5960]

This team was built to be shooters. If they don't shoot well, there is nothing to fall back on.

Open 3's and couldn't knock them down all night.

UMBC shot 52% from 3.

I don't get it.

Iowa played last night?

 

[Andrew Houk]

Yeah we have spacing problems due to the lack of three point shooting. The whole offense ends up being from 17 feet and in resulting in clogged lanes, at least against the good teams, and this ends up hurting our interior scoring as well. As the OP notes, we only have three guys that are hitting at an acceptable rate. I know Fran would like to start a backcourt of Perkins and Bowen but those guys just haven't shot well enough for that to be viable. Perkins is at 31% and Bowen 25% from three point range this season. Bart Torvik tracks long 2s on his website and has Perkins at 36% and Bowen at 21% on long 2s. Bad numbers.

 

[ddeanHawk]

If the ballhandler can get by his man with a path to the basket the defense will always try to cut him off.

Yes they will

 

[ddeanHawk]

Hope Harding gets quality minutes in the big like he did last night. We will see what we have, I think he will do fine. He'll have some rough spots but I think he's going to be the best pg iowa has had in a long long time

 

[Mohawkeye]

If the ballhandler can get by his man with a path to the basket the defense will always try to cut him off.

This. If he can hit 3’s at a 35% rate then they will have to guard him. If they guard him then that opens him up to drive and pass. He doesn’t necessarily have to score on the drive.

 

[RocknRollface]

Yeah we have spacing problems due to the lack of three point shooting. The whole offense ends up being from 17 feet and in resulting in clogged lanes, at least against the good teams, and this ends up hurting our interior scoring as well. As the OP notes, we only have three guys that are hitting at an acceptable rate. I know Fran would like to start a backcourt of Perkins and Bowen but those guys just haven't shot well enough for that to be viable. Perkins is at 31% and Bowen 25% from three point range this season. Bart Torvik tracks long 2s on his website and has Perkins at 36% and Bowen at 21% on long 2s. Bad numbers.

The lack of spacing is more so from playing too many slow forwards at the same time.

The spacing with the starters is terrible because you have too many slow guys in the lane and no one that can beat a defender off the dribble. It improves significantly when some of the forwards come off the floor.

Krikke and Freeman don't work well together because they both want to be on the block.

Quickness creates open passing lanes and shots by making the defense shift.

Iowa came out last night trying to force the ball in the post against a much smaller team and it was a clogged up mess.

Luckily for them they were able to dominate offensive rebounds against a team playing 4 guards. That won't happen in conference.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

I kind of worded it wrong. When guys do help to stop the drive, with how Iowa is shooting the ball on the perimeter, I would make them make shots before closing out hard on shooters. I have the feeling Iowa's shooting isn't going to get much better from distance.

Every team shoots better when the ball goes inside out for the shot. Brock will make everyone a better shooter.
Perkins has no ability to do this. The person that seems to get the most inside out shots is pmac and he’s not a good/consistent shooter.

 

[tippet1]

Every team shoots better when the ball goes inside out for the shot. Brock will make everyone a better shooter.
Perkins has no ability to do this. The person that seems to get the most inside out shots is pmac and he’s not a good/consistent shooter.

So far, Iowa has shown they are not even able to make uncontested 3's at an acceptable rate.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Iowa needs to shoot more 3s. Period.

Right now, they are an average 3 point shooting team but their overall volume of shots is way too low. They are relying on the mid range/long 2s far too often this year.

The % of points Iowa scores via the 3 point shot is sitting at 24%. The NCAA average is 30%. So Iowa is near the bottom in that category. The last time Iowa was below 30% in that category was in 2018….not a great year.

 

[icwesthawk]

Iowa played last night?

 

[Franisdaman]

Yeah we have spacing problems due to the lack of three point shooting. The whole offense ends up being from 17 feet and in resulting in clogged lanes, at least against the good teams, and this ends up hurting our interior scoring as well. As the OP notes, we only have three guys that are hitting at an acceptable rate. I know Fran would like to start a backcourt of Perkins and Bowen but those guys just haven't shot well enough for that to be viable. Perkins is at 31% and Bowen 25% from three point range this season. Bart Torvik tracks long 2s on his website and has Perkins at 36% and Bowen at 21% on long 2s. Bad numbers.

Not to put you to work, but does he show how many long 2's we've taken so far this season? The team has taken 248 threes so far.

And I am guessing long 2's are still considered a bad shot....

TIA

 

[unclesammy]

What was Harding's 3pt pct in high school? Where did the majority of his points come from? I know he's a decent shooter, but I'm not sold that's his greatest value to this team. He's only shot 21 3's & most have been wide open looks. I've seen him rush his shot and clank some. His low release could become a problem against good defensive teams with length. He only needs to knock down 1 or 2 per game to keep teams honest & he can then get the defense off their feet for dribble drive & dishes. He should not be a volume shooter like JBo was. His greatest value was shown last night with his passing and getting teammates involved. This leads to better team chemistry and effort when all are getting fed bucket leading passes.

Many shooters in this era have a low release point for their 3 point shot. They shoot a basic set shot. They rely on range or shooting when the defender doesn't expect them to shoot.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Not to put you to work, but does he show how many long 2's we've taken so far this season? The team has taken 248 threes so far.

And I am guessing long 2's are still considered a bad shot....

TIA

235 hitting around 40%. A common opponent Oklahoma has taken 127. Iowa state 202. Purdue 181. Michigan 198. Without looking, I’d guess Iowa to be on the high side.

 

[Franisdaman]

Hope Harding gets quality minutes in the big like he did last night. We will see what we have, I think he will do fine. He'll have some rough spots but I think he's going to be the best pg iowa has had in a long long time

I hope you are right.

His offers: Drake, Colorado State, Cal Poly, Bradley, Appalachian State, Western Illinois, Illinois Chicago, Southern Illinois, SE Missouri State, St Louis, Rice, Radford, Loyola, Illinois State, IPFW, Eastern Illinois.

and Iowa.

And what's crazy is the Iowa offer came late. Iowa offered on June 20, 2022. He unofficially visited 2 days later, on June 22, 2022. He committed the next day, on June 23, 2022.

 

[RocknRollface]

Iowa needs to shoot more 3s. Period.

Right now, they are an average 3 point shooting team but their overall volume of shots is way too low. They are relying on the mid range/long 2s far too often this year.

The % of points Iowa scores via the 3 point shot is sitting at 24%. The NCAA average is 30%. So Iowa is near the bottom in that category. The last time Iowa was below 30% in that category was in 2018….not a great year.

Another result of not having enough guards on the floor to create good open looks.

Any way you look at it the upperclassmen that Fran wants to play the biggest share of minutes don't compliment eachothers games and really all should be playing the same couple spots.

 

[Franisdaman]

235 hitting around 40%. A common opponent Oklahoma has taken 127. Iowa state 202. Purdue 181. Michigan 198. Without looking, I’d guess Iowa to be on the high side.

interesting shot selection numbers.

thanks.

 

[LukaDuka]

I hope you are right.

His offers: Drake, Colorado State, Cal Poly, Bradley, Appalachian State, Western Illinois, Illinois Chicago, Southern Illinois, SE Missouri State, St Louis, Rice, Radford, Loyola, Illinois State, IPFW, Eastern Illinois.

and Iowa.

And what's crazy is the Iowa offer came late. Iowa offered on June 20, 2022. He unofficially visited 2 days later, on June 22, 2022. He committed the next day, on June 23, 2022.

His Iowa offer was to get Freeman to commit with him. The buddy system

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Krikke/Pmac on the floor at the same time is a disaster. Neither have a real desire to rebound nor play defense.

Iowa’s best lineup currently is likely 3 guards(Harding, Bowen, Perkins)Sandfort at the 4, and Freeman at the 5. But then rebounding becomes a huge issue. Would mismatches on the offensive end counteract that enough?

I wouldn’t mind seeing Dembele a lot more at the 4, sliding Sandfort to the 3. Harding and Perkins at the guards.

The younger guys seem to give more effort. For all the nice things Krikke does at the O end, he gives back just as much, if not more at the D end. He’s the Bohannon of big men.

I’m kind of rambling but our younger guys give us a better opportunity to win. Fran would never sit Pmac/Krikke but I hope he would at least consider not playing them together.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

It comes down to this…this is a poorly constructed roster. One of the downsides of positionless basketball? Maybe.

 

[Franisdaman]

His Iowa offer was to get Freeman to commit with him. The buddy system

Owen committed to Iowa on Oct 11, 2021.

Brock committed to Iowa on June 23, 2022.

 

[icwesthawk]

Owen committed to Iowa on Oct 11, 2021.

Brock committed to Iowa on June 23, 2022.

I was just typing this. Maybe we took Freeman so that we could get Harding, you know, buddy system

 

[LukaDuka]

I was just typing this. Maybe we took Freeman so that we could get Harding, you know, buddy system

Fair enough, thanks for the info. Maybe Freeman demanded they offer Brock? hmmm

 

[Andrew Houk]

235 hitting around 40%. A common opponent Oklahoma has taken 127. Iowa state 202. Purdue 181. Michigan 198. Without looking, I’d guess Iowa to be on the high side.

29.8% of our FG attempts are long 2s, that's the 80th highest rank in D1 out of 362 teams. So it's pretty high but not crazy. ISU is actually higher at 30.7% (69th) - they've taken far fewer total shots than we have. The lowest in the country is Cornell at 10.9% while the highest is Florida A&M at 48.1%.

 

[Andrew Houk]

Krikke/Pmac on the floor at the same time is a disaster. Neither have a real desire to rebound nor play defense.

Iowa’s best lineup currently is likely 3 guards(Harding, Bowen, Perkins)Sandfort at the 4, and Freeman at the 5. But then rebounding becomes a huge issue. Would mismatches on the offensive end counteract that enough?

I wouldn’t mind seeing Dembele a lot more at the 4, sliding Sandfort to the 3. Harding and Perkins at the guards.

The younger guys seem to give more effort. For all the nice things Krikke does at the O end, he gives back just as much, if not more at the D end. He’s the Bohannon of big men.

I’m kind of rambling but our younger guys give us a better opportunity to win. Fran would never sit Pmac/Krikke but I hope he would at least consider not playing them together.

Your bottom line point is correct but I don't think it's an effort thing with Krikke - he just doesn't have the tools. Pat should be a much better rebounder than he is but he just doesn't put in the effort.