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Iowa Breakdown - Team Scoring At NCAA's

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Here is the final tally for Team Points scored by Iowa's individuals (taken from Hawk Central article, I presume it is correct......but not necessarily "official").

Not surprisingly, the top scorer was our only Finalist in Cory Clark. He had one major, plus his advancement I believe (a nice tourney to be sure).

Cory Clark = 17 pts. (2nd) 1 major

Thomas Gilman = 15.5 pts. (4th) 1 major, 1 Fall

Brandon Sorensen = 14.5 pts. (4th) 2 majors

Bobby Telford = 13.5 pts. (5th) 2 Falls!

Mike Evans = 9 pts. (6th) no bonus

Nathan Burak = 8.5 pts (7th) 2 majors

Sammy Brooks = 3 pts. (DNP) 1 major

Josh Dziewa = 3 pts. (DNP) 2 majors!

Mike Kelly = 0 pts. (DNP) no bonus

Nick Moore = 0 pts. (DNP) no bonus

This total brought us to 2nd place, 18 points behind Ohio State, who scored 102 points to win the Tournament, clinched before the Finals even started (that's just sad with that point total IMO). (From the Department of Completely Useless Information and Full Disclosure, for the record, I picked Ohio State at the beginning of the year, then transformed to Ohio State or Missouri at the end of the year, and Hawks in 3rd. Ultimately when push came to shove I did eventually pick Missouri winning it with 104.5 pts).

In the likely event of being accused of beating a dead horse, this is a trend that absolutely cannot continue if Iowa hopes to win National Titles in the future. We have to get more production out of our upperclassmen that are multiple year starters. It is that simple (that trend looks to be going upward, with Nathan wrestling pretty good, and Sammy on the brink, and the 3 youngsters already producing, but we need more Finalists, and we need placement improvement as they move along in their careers, the "natural" trajectory, which of course doesn't always play out). I am sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, but it is such a glaring statistic that absolutely has to be addressed and improved. Iowa does not "deserve' anything, because of the tradition. These things are earned.

Yes, Ohio State won it largely on the backs of 3 Stud Freshman in Tomasello, Snyder and Jordan (2 of those 3 put up some big bonus to boot, and Snyder had a "lousy" 2 majors on the front side. Ha!). Obviously Senior Logan Steiber outscored all of our guys comfortably.

That said, if Iowa's upperclassmen all produce what would be considered even somewhat "normal" production by historical Iowa standards, we win this thing, probably going away. I don't know Steibers total, but I would guess he all by himself, outscored our entire Senior Class in this tournament. Iowa's total from that group of 5 = 25.5 pts. I assume Steiber scored 26-28 or so, and would have scored more if not for shutting it down in the Finals to insure his 4th Title.

On the "good news" front, Iowa has taken home a team trophy of some sort for 8 straight years, the longest streak in the country. So are "lows" aren't as low as everybody else's, but our "highs" aren't there either. Iowa's top 3 point scorers this year are Iowa kids (Gilman lived in Iowa and wrestled across the river), so that's a positive that hopefully continues, we need Iowa kids doing well for in-state costs and things of that nature.

So.................. another long-winded post from me, surprise. I do believe parity is greater now than before, but I don't think that is the be-all, end-all answer, and that it can't be overcome to the degree we win at least 1 National Title every five years or so. We absolutely have the resources and the national panache to keep a great thing going. Hoping for the best moving forward.
 
The encouraging part is that our five new starters have a good opportunity to score more than 25.5 points and I would bet on our returning starters to improve their totals by quite a bit as well. But then again I am an optimist.
 
one thing to me,sam brooks hit dean in the quarters courts hit mccutcheon,that was the difference between brooks brining home a medal.not enough points difference to catch oh st,but if you give me a choice between Sammy and courts I am taking Sammy brooks anytime.i think the ok st loss for brooks early in the year changed how he wrestled, how he goes back to let it fly next year.really high on his future success.
 
Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
Is there a 'bonus points per match' breakdown for the top teams somewhere?
I'm sure there will be one forthcoming, perhaps already available. I'd be stunned if Ohio State didn't blow away the Field in that regard (it is without question the winning formula, followed by more All-Americans).

We all know it's important, as is placement. The bigger issue I have personally is that we aren't in what I would consider "real" striking distance at the end of the tournament(s). That bothers me more than the actual finish I guess. Just be in the hunt to the last session. We haven't been able to do that. Such is life I guess.
 
I did see that Iowa led the tourament in match points scored with 288. And tied for 2nd on pins with 3. ISU led the tournament with 6 pins.
 
Thanks for the breakdown. Gross/Ryan will be good replacement for Jeva and score same or better! 57 a motivated beefed up Brody definitely scores more then Kelly. Paddock at 65 scores more then Moore. Stoll hits the weights and shuts up 75.561455% of this board and has a decent year. With 74 "clearing out" I love Meyer's chance of placing and scoring higher then Evans. Finally the people on this board bashing Evans and Telford need to stop. Damn they're 3x AAs! Thank you to both of those hard working guys! 8 straight years with a trophy. We're right there and need a couple horses aka Hall, White, Lee, Suriano plus Meija, JRentria, Marinelli, Happel. The future is bright...
 
Originally posted by wasdt21:

one thing to me,sam brooks hit dean in the quarters courts hit mccutcheon,that was the difference between brooks brining home a medal.not enough points difference to catch oh st,but if you give me a choice between Sammy and courts I am taking Sammy brooks anytime.i think the ok st loss for brooks early in the year changed how he wrestled, how he goes back to let it fly next year.really high on his future success.
Losing to McCutcheon in the big ten tournament is what hurt Sammy.
 
Originally posted by wasdt21:

one thing to me,sam brooks hit dean in the quarters courts hit mccutcheon,that was the difference between brooks brining home a medal.not enough points difference to catch oh st,but if you give me a choice between Sammy and courts I am taking Sammy brooks anytime.i think the ok st loss for brooks early in the year changed how he wrestled, how he goes back to let it fly next year.really high on his future success.
I'm with you on this one for sure. Love Sammy Brooks. Just let it go Kid! He's got everything you need to do great things.
 
Regarding individual scoring, Clark was our highest as the 22nd highest scoring individual in the tourney. Not a good stat for Iowa.


Points Per Individual

Kyven Gadson (Iowa State) 26.5
Alex Dieringer (Oklahoma State) 26
Logan Stieber (Ohio State) 26
Cody Brewer (Oklahoma) 25
Isaiah Martinez (Illinois) 24.5
Nathan Tomasello (Ohio State) 24.5
Drake Houdashelt (Missouri) 22
Matthew Brown (Penn State) 22
Nick Gwiazdowski (North Carolina State) 22
A.J. Schopp (Edinboro) 21
Gabriel Dean (Cornell) 21
Brian Realbuto (Cornell) 20.5
Mitchell Port (Edinboro) 20
Bo Jordan (Ohio State) 19.5
Zeke Moisey (West Virginia) 19
Devin Carter (Virginia Tech) 18.5
Adam Coon (Michigan) 18
David Habat (Edinboro) 18
James Green (Nebraska) 18
Kyle Snyder (Ohio State) 18
Robert Kokesh (Nebraska) 17.5
Cory Clark (Iowa) 17
 
Originally posted by clhawks00:
I did see that Iowa led the tourament in match points scored with 288. And tied for 2nd on pins with 3. ISU led the tournament with 6 pins.
That's interesting. I guess initially I never would have guessed that, but we did have the most All-Americans with six (someone probably tied us, but haven't seen the list yet, I know 6 is the most), and we wrestled a TON of matches on the back side unfortunately, so that probably explains it.

I did see Moreno had 3 straight falls on the back side, but I never did see where he ended up (guess I'll have to go look...). Who won the Gorrarian Award? Moreno with 3?
 
Sammy getting hurt vs Dean at national duals had a major impact on him, IMO. His foot movement was way slower after that.
 
Originally posted by JonesHawk125:
I believe it was Schopp with 4. He lost first round and won 7 straight matches to finish in 3rd. Very impressive!
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Impressive indeed. I made the mistake of thinking he got bounced, then there he was again, rolling thru the back side!

I did see that Moreno had 3 straight falls, then got beat by Isaac Jordan in OT and was out (ironically he had pinned Jordan in their dual I believe).
 
Originally posted by bphawkeye_Rivals:
was gadsen the OW of the ncaa tourney - or was that handed out by espn on wednesday?
I don't know who got it, but you could make a very strong case for him. I was at the tourney and watched him if a Hawk was not wrestling. He was shockingly dominant.

This post was edited on 3/22 3:33 PM by MadTown Hawk
 
Originally posted by ISUChip:

Originally posted by bphawkeye_Rivals:
was gadsen the OW of the ncaa tourney - or was that handed out by espn on wednesday?
It was Stieber.
The Steibernator was going to get it even if he did his best Jason Tsirtsis impression.
 
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