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Iowa City Council may grant 'Section 8' participants protected status

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HR King
May 29, 2001
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The Iowa City Council on Tuesday took a step toward making participants in the Housing Choice Voucher Program — commonly known as "Section 8" — a protected class under local fair housing laws, a move that would make it unlawful for landlords to advertise that they do not accept applicants who participate in the program.

During the Iowa City Council meeting this week, council members were receptive to the proposed Human Rights Ordinance amendment and passed the first reading of the change on a 6-0 vote. Council member Terry Dickens was absent from the meeting.

The city's ordinance currently includes protections for residents who utilize public assistance sources of income for housing but does not specifically include Housing Choice Voucher Program participants.

"Some landlords in Iowa City have policies that automatically reject an applicant if they use a Housing Choice Voucher, and some advertise that they do not rent to persons with vouchers," said Stefanie Bowers, the city's human rights and equity director. "What we're saying is that the landlord could not reject the housing choice applicant and not consider them for a unit based solely on that criterion."

Title VIII of the federal Civil Rights Act of 1968 currently prohibits discrimination in the sale or rental of property based on criteria like race, religion, sex or familial status. Iowa City's fair housing policies further protect from discrimination based on presence or absence of dependents, creed, sexual orientation and gender identity.

Housing Authority Administrator Steve Rackis said the amendment is aimed at leveling the playing field for Housing Choice Voucher Program participants.

"It's about fair and equal access to vacant rental units that you can no longer tell a person with a voucher 'I don't take the program, you can move along,'" Rackis said. "If somebody goes through the process and the landlord has a nondiscriminatory reason for not renting to them, then they don't rent to them."

Bowers said the Human Rights Office receives calls and complaints about alleged discrimination based on participation in the program. According to the city's 2014 Impediments to Fair Housing Choice Survey of 210 Housing Choice Voucher participants in Johnson County, 63, or about 30 percent, of the respondents said they believed their participation was the most common reason for discrimination.

"Because it's not covered at this time, those cases get closed out as lacking jurisdiction because we don't have jurisdiction to investigate those right now," Bowers said. "There appears to be a real community need for persons to have protection when they're looking for affordable housing units."

Chris Villhauer, president of the Greater Iowa City Area Apartment Association, a group that represents owners and managers of rental properties, last month outlined concerns landlords had with the amendment through letters to city officials. One of the major concerns, Villhauer said via email Monday, is that a separate federal contract is required for landlords that rent to Housing Choice Voucher recipients.

"In the past, some people have decided not to participate because they are required to sign a separate 12-page Housing Assistance Payments Contract with the federal government," Villhauer wrote. "No current protected class in Iowa City requires the landlord to sign a separate contract."

Villhauer said the association also has reached out to the city, Housing Authority and the Human Rights Commission to work together to find solutions.

Doug Boothroy, the city's director of Neighborhood and Development Services, said Tuesday that the proposed amendment does not require landlords to participate in the Housing Choice Voucher Program.

"Currently we have over 400 landlords that are participating in the program. I think it's a very positive thing about the landlords in this community and other communities that choose to use vouchers in their program. Unfortunately there are some landlords that have chosen to advertise that they don't accept vouchers," Boothroy said. "That's a message that's contrary to fair housing and contrary to diverse neighborhoods and inclusion."

Strong support by community members who spoke to the council during a public hearing Tuesday was reflected in council members' comments on the amendment.

"I will simply state that I think this is blatant discrimination and I'm not sure why we haven't done this sooner," council member Kingsley Botchway said.

Bowers said the ordinance is proposed to take full effect in June 2016, giving city staff enough time to reach out and educate landlords and tenants about the change. As an ordinance amendment, the measure requires three readings to pass, which will be taken up at future council meetings.

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/...discrimination-protection-section-8/79714092/
 
What a waste of time. Landlords will just use references more heavily to keep the poors out of their apartments.

Oh, you were late on your rent at your last place and left the place a mess? Application denied.
 
What a waste of time. Landlords will just use references more heavily to keep the poors out of their apartments.

Oh, you were late on your rent at your last place and left the place a mess? Application denied.

This. And a credit check will filter out any undesirables.
 
Oh please let this happen. Iowa City is already becoming a craphole. This would just accelerate that process. Section 8 housing is an absolute travesty for the working men and women of this country.
 
What a waste of time. Landlords will just use references more heavily to keep the poors out of their apartments.

Oh, you were late on your rent at your last place and left the place a mess? Application denied.
Section 8 rent is never late. The government pays it directly to the landlord. The renters do tend to trash the place though.
 
Section 8 rent is never late. The government pays it directly to the landlord. The renters do tend to trash the place though.

The advertisements are a way to save the time from showing rentals and then having the perspective tenant from asking if you except Section 8. If you own a large complex bringing in a few 8'ers will devalue all of your apartments. This won't change anything other than wasting peoples time. If you are a landlord the key is to not return calls coming from Illinois area codes and don't return voice mails from people that sound "ghetto".

I had owned a couple of Section 8 units for 6 years. First, Section 8 rent can be late. The problem is that the vouchers are reviewed several times per year. You can start out with a person with a full $800 voucher and then three months later you get a letter in the mail that their income has changed and the voucher has been reduced to $450. Now the renter says that they can't afford to pay their portion and want to negotiate a lesser portion on their side. They are also unlikely to hold a job for very long so then they are not working again but the voucher lags with being adjusted.

They will ALWAYS trash your place. The interesting reality is that those that have the most free time have the least amount of time available to clean. They do not respect your property. Their property has little value. When they decide to dip you will be the new owner of old couches, beds, tables and etc. Some will leave without notice and the place will remain empty as you figure out they are gone and you have to evict. Many understand how to work the system when they lose the vouchers or the voucher amount.
 
Everyone should have the right to not work, or work part-time, and receive free housing for as long as needed. Freaking gross.
 
Also, I do not support this protection. I am ok with landlords refusing Section 8 vouchers themselves.
 
one of my friends was texting me today and telling me her mom has called her three times in the past two days to brag about the luxurious apartment she just moved into and told her that it was too bad that she wasn't poor because she would never be able to live in a place as fabulous as the one she is in. she doesn't live in Iowa City, but is in subsidized housing.

also told me that her sister (who has a ton of kids and is on every type of assistance imagineable) posted on facebook that Rent a Center was knocking on her door looking for money and that they weren't going to get it because she was so broke and only had money for going out this weekend.

her mom and her sister are always going to riverside and tama while the government foots the bill for their food stamps and housing.
 
one of my friends was texting me today and telling me her mom has called her three times in the past two days to brag about the luxurious apartment she just moved into and told her that it was too bad that she wasn't poor because she would never be able to live in a place as fabulous as the one she is in. she doesn't live in Iowa City, but is in subsidized housing.

also told me that her sister (who has a ton of kids and is on every type of assistance imagineable) posted on facebook that Rent a Center was knocking on her door looking for money and that they weren't going to get it because she was so broke and only had money for going out this weekend.

her mom and her sister are always going to riverside and tama while the government foots the bill for their food stamps and housing.

These are fantastic reasons for shutting down welfare, no further anecdotes needed.
 
These are fantastic reasons for shutting down welfare, no further anecdotes needed.

So the only two choices are shutting down welfare or let people who have no desire to better their situation abuse it? How about setting up some sort of accountability of how people are spending their money. I know you will say that the government shouldnt tell people how they can spend money...which i would reply that if you don't want people overseeing how you spend your money, start making your own.
 
So the only two choices are shutting down welfare or let people who have no desire to better their situation abuse it? How about setting up some sort of accountability of how people are spending their money. I know you will say that the government shouldnt tell people how they can spend money...which i would reply that if you don't want people overseeing how you spend your money, start making your own.

What else was the point of your post?
 
What else was the point of your post?
well, the thread topic is about section 8 housing. It just so happens that I had a tale to share that was told to me today regarding somebody that abuses it.

If I was told a tale I recently heard about some family who was able to secure a living space using section 8 while the father took a low paying job just to try to get back on his feet, would you have replied that it is that no other anecdote was needed to prove welfare works as it was meant to or are you just trying to be a smartass?
 
well, the thread topic is about section 8 housing. It just so happens that I had a tale to share that was told to me today regarding somebody that abuses it.

If I was told a tale I recently heard about some family who was able to secure a living space using section 8 while the father took a low paying job just to try to get back on his feet, would you have replied that it is that no other anecdote was needed to prove welfare works as it was meant to or are you just trying to be a smartass?

We both know why you posted it, but feel free to continue on.
 
for somebody who takes exceptions at people making assumptions in the thread regarding Ariens, you seem to love to make assumptions in this case. You just could've answered that you were indeed trying to be a smartass.

No trying necessary, it should have been abundantly clear. We all thank you for your friends recitation to you of text messages from his mother, we can all be assured that the welfare state is alive and real on that basis.
 
No trying necessary, it should have been abundantly clear. We all thank you for your friends recitation to you of text messages from his mother, we can all be assured that the welfare state is alive and real on that basis.

In all honesty, if it was told to me a week or two earlier, probably wouldn't have mentioned it. I won't even bother asking you why abuse of the system like that doesn't bother you, however I do look forward to your further enlightenment and jackassery when anybody posts anything that they may have encountered regarding the subject matter of the thread.
 
In all honesty, if it was told to me a week or two earlier, probably wouldn't have mentioned it. I won't even bother asking you why abuse of the system like that doesn't bother you, however I do look forward to your further enlightenment and jackassery when anybody posts anything that they may have encountered regarding the subject matter of the thread.

Who said abuse of the system doesn't bother me? Hell your own post about his mother didn't include enough to even know abuse took place. Your strange anecdote was: "one of my friends was texting me today and telling me her mom has called her three times in the past two days to brag about the luxurious apartment she just moved into and told her that it was too bad that she wasn't poor because she would never be able to live in a place as fabulous as the one she is in. she doesn't live in Iowa City, but is in subsidized housing."

What could possibly be taken from that as de facto abuse of the sytem? That she was proud of her "luxurious apartment"? That it was too bad she wasn't poor? Neither of that implies she isn't poor nor needy herself, is it because she has a cell phone? Is it because she is your friend?

Nothing you posted had to do with the subject matter of the thread, did you just see "Section 8" and spew anecdotal jism on your keyboard? The OP is about discriminatory protection for Section 8 applicants, not about abuse. It only made sense that your post was to denigrate Section 8 applicants in general, a novel concept on here.
 
Who said abuse of the system doesn't bother me? Hell your own post about his mother didn't include enough to even know abuse took place. Your strange anecdote was: "one of my friends was texting me today and telling me her mom has called her three times in the past two days to brag about the luxurious apartment she just moved into and told her that it was too bad that she wasn't poor because she would never be able to live in a place as fabulous as the one she is in. she doesn't live in Iowa City, but is in subsidized housing."

What could possibly be taken from that as de facto abuse of the sytem? That she was proud of her "luxurious apartment"? That it was too bad she wasn't poor? Neither of that implies she isn't poor nor needy herself, is it because she has a cell phone? Is it because she is your friend?

Nothing you posted had to do with the subject matter of the thread, did you just see "Section 8" and spew anecdotal jism on your keyboard? The OP is about discriminatory protection for Section 8 applicants, not about abuse. It only made sense that your post was to denigrate Section 8 applicants in general, a novel concept on here.

fair point. I saw the thread about section 8 housing and immediately drew the line to my example as my friends mom just moved in (therefore getting approved) for subsidized housing, but continues to throw money at the casino every weekend.

I will save it for the next welfare abuse thread that pops up,

you still are a jackass though, as you would never have come at me had i given an example of welfare/section 8 being used for people who use it the way it was intended to be used.
 
Isn't that part of the point though? Instead of denying them solely because of Section 8, they look deeper and find actual undesirables?


the point missed by the supporters of this type of thing is that the landlords arent discriminating against any individuals personally when they automatically exclude section 8 but are simply saying that they do not except that form of payment. it would be just like them advertising that they do not accept payment via credit/debit card.
 
the point missed by the supporters of this type of thing is that the landlords arent discriminating against any individuals personally when they automatically exclude section 8 but are simply saying that they do not except that form of payment. it would be just like them advertising that they do not accept payment via credit/debit card.

Well, I don't think that point is really missed, because there aren't nearly direct correlations between credit card payments and a specific subset of society (i.e. poor and minority).

First, as I posted, I disagree with the proffered law, but I can understand the sense in it, which is why I posted my comment. If the law forces landlords to "dig deeper" on applicants to determine their worthiness than it is reasonable to believe that they could weed out bad section 8 applicants while keeping good ones, which would seem, facially, like a good thing.

I agree that the landlords might not be discriminating, but the outcome statistically might. The question, I think, is whether that is enough to warrant this kind of protection, and I don't think so. To change my mind I'd have to see a lot more numbers about amount of housing vs. housing that refuses section 8 vs. number of applicants in general.
 
Well, I don't think that point is really missed, because there aren't nearly direct correlations between credit card payments and a specific subset of society (i.e. poor and minority).

First, as I posted, I disagree with the proffered law, but I can understand the sense in it, which is why I posted my comment. If the law forces landlords to "dig deeper" on applicants to determine their worthiness than it is reasonable to believe that they could weed out bad section 8 applicants while keeping good ones, which would seem, facially, like a good thing.

I agree that the landlords might not be discriminating, but the outcome statistically might. The question, I think, is whether that is enough to warrant this kind of protection, and I don't think so. To change my mind I'd have to see a lot more numbers about amount of housing vs. housing that refuses section 8 vs. number of applicants in general.


first i understand that you do not agree with the proposed law. second i am a landlord and we accept applications from anyone and we do rent to people on section 8.

the way i see it, this issue is very simple, i have a product and i am only willing to accept certain types of payment. if your only means of payment for my product is a form that i do not accept then there is no reason for us to even discuss a deal. you can try to complicate it with correlations of specific subset of society and numbers of houses vs number applicants vs number of refusals of section 8 but all we are talking about is a simple transaction between two parties. we are not talking about discrimination of minorities or poor or any other group of people but the form of payment that is accepted and the form of payment that they are able to pay with.
 
first i understand that you do not agree with the proposed law. second i am a landlord and we accept applications from anyone and we do rent to people on section 8.

the way i see it, this issue is very simple, i have a product and i am only willing to accept certain types of payment. if your only means of payment for my product is a form that i do not accept then there is no reason for us to even discuss a deal.

This is precisely why I think the law would be wrong.
 
Well, I don't think that point is really missed, because there aren't nearly direct correlations between credit card payments and a specific subset of society (i.e. poor and minority).

Do you have to be a minority to qualify for Section 8? If so, that's discrimination.
 
Do you have to be a minority to qualify for Section 8? If so, that's discrimination.

No, of course not, that is why there is an "i.e.", but you knew that. You do have to be poor, or at least what the government defines it as.
 
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