we had a PG that could penetrate then shoot or dish. JB would be a great SG. Cook could play the 4 and Baer the 3. And finally, Garza would have to play with Cook's ability at the 5. Our bench strength would be awesome. Alas, there is no PG with the needed "quicks" on the horizon.
Iowa could win the BIG next year if
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Our defense and rebounding gets to the upper third of the league. Another legit 3 point threat develops so teams can't focus totally on J Bo without paying the price.
It will be a terrific team to watch, but there's a lot to work on. Strength and understanding of the needed effort on D will help.
It will be a terrific team to watch, but there's a lot to work on. Strength and understanding of the needed effort on D will help.
JBomb looked just fine to me today.
Why does everyone think Garza comes in and starts? With what we have coming back, it seems like wishful thinking.
Why does everyone think Garza comes in and starts? With what we have coming back, it seems like wishful thinking.
I recall that the complaint on Brody Boyd was immediate and long lasting. Bigger shooting guards could fire away right over the top of him.
Besides that, who are we going to consider a better point guard just because they are quicker? Does Trey Dickerson count? What about Kevin Smith? To be fair, Dean Oliver?
Count me in as always wanting a talented point guard (I think we have one or two) and I've always enjoyed watching the quick little waterbug types that just fly around the floor. But I also think that the point could be made, give us a four star type shot blocking center...give us a shooting guard that can hit the three or drive or dish...give us a defensive stopper...just any five star type that wanders in...and we could win the Big Ten next year.
Heck, we might just compete and have a shot at one anyway.
By the way, the things that have held us back this year have been defense and the occasional rebounding woes. I'm not sure the offense is all that desperate for anything.
Just my opinion.
And, I agree on not anointing Garza the starting center. Kriener is going to have something to say about that. And that's IF Cook and Pemsl play the four. And...a bunch of other guys get passed by.
Besides that, who are we going to consider a better point guard just because they are quicker? Does Trey Dickerson count? What about Kevin Smith? To be fair, Dean Oliver?
Count me in as always wanting a talented point guard (I think we have one or two) and I've always enjoyed watching the quick little waterbug types that just fly around the floor. But I also think that the point could be made, give us a four star type shot blocking center...give us a shooting guard that can hit the three or drive or dish...give us a defensive stopper...just any five star type that wanders in...and we could win the Big Ten next year.
Heck, we might just compete and have a shot at one anyway.
By the way, the things that have held us back this year have been defense and the occasional rebounding woes. I'm not sure the offense is all that desperate for anything.
Just my opinion.
And, I agree on not anointing Garza the starting center. Kriener is going to have something to say about that. And that's IF Cook and Pemsl play the four. And...a bunch of other guys get passed by.
Charlie Moore who's putting up numbers at cal would have been great with this team i for some reason really thought we were
Going to land him second go around.
Going to land him second go around.
There is more than one way to skin a cat. While having that type of PG certainly can make things easier at times, it's no cure-all.
Bohannon is fast reminding me of Gerry McNamara from Syracuse 10 years or so ago.
To win championships, or to seriously contend, you either need superior talent and depth, "special" team chemistry (i.e. "intangibles"), or some of both.
I actually think Iowa might be onto something chemistry-wise. And there is some good talent sprinkled in there, too.
Garza's size and ability to shoot the three make him a strong candidate to start. I think Kreiner and Pemsl will continue to get their minutes. None of the bigs on roster have the range that Garza does but I like Kreiner from inside 15 feet. Garza is a legitimate three point threat and can play minutes at the 3-5 position while our current bigs (unless you consider baer a big. I have him as 2-3) can only play 4-5.
It was a nice win tonight.
I don't see that necessarily translating to a B1G title next year.
Message board yo-yo is fun for some people, though.
I don't see that necessarily translating to a B1G title next year.
Message board yo-yo is fun for some people, though.
Bohannon has gotten quicker and more decisive with the ball as this season has progressed. Everything about him says baller. He will work hard at getting better. This kid is going to be an outstanding point guard for the next three years.
I actually think some of that is adjusting to the competition, some of that is Fran going with Williams for extended minutes these last few games. There were several times in previous weeks where Bohannon looked like he was overextended.
I seriously think one of his family members reads the boards. Tonight He showed everything I was bitching about 5 days ago.
I think they win the big ten in 2 years or 3 both of those teams will be frans best teams by far.
I really think Christian Williams has that ability. His problem is he just cannot shoot has no touch and can't finish at this point. It puts him in a tough spot but more often than not he appears to beat his guy off the dribble whenever he wants.
BUT I dont think two years out is out of line......bring in the bigs and Connor next year and then we have Weiskamp who could be the guy to put us over the top
Facts: Iowa averages 80.5 PPG, which is ranked mid-30's in the country. They allow 78.0 PPG, which is around 300th in the country. (Per ESPN)
So... how is the "elite point guard who can penetrate into the lane" what we're missing?
What we are missing is: Defense, defensive rebounding, and not turning the ball over leading to easy points at the other end (i.e., ball security). Iowa has given up at least 70 points in each game that they have lost. Their record in these games is 8-13. In games that Iowa has given up less than 70? 8-0.
Cook's game today was an encouraging sign in terms of defensive rebounding, and I see both Kriener and Garza being solid on the defensive glass as well. The defense has gotten progressively better as the year has gone on, and I see that trend continuing as the players continue to adjust to D1 ball.
So... how is the "elite point guard who can penetrate into the lane" what we're missing?
What we are missing is: Defense, defensive rebounding, and not turning the ball over leading to easy points at the other end (i.e., ball security). Iowa has given up at least 70 points in each game that they have lost. Their record in these games is 8-13. In games that Iowa has given up less than 70? 8-0.
Cook's game today was an encouraging sign in terms of defensive rebounding, and I see both Kriener and Garza being solid on the defensive glass as well. The defense has gotten progressively better as the year has gone on, and I see that trend continuing as the players continue to adjust to D1 ball.
This. JBO does just fine at PG and will be for the next 3 years. Not every team needs a slashing PG. The kid is 5th in the BIG in assists for gods sake.He will own a few Hawkeye records when he's done at Iowa. A slashing 2 guard or 3 would help though.
I think we'll be in good shape with Kreiner and Garza sharing the five. Cook and Cordell at the four. Baer and Nunge at the three. Spot duty for Wagner and Uhl. Moss and Ellingson at two. Jbo at the point with Connor and Williams backing up there and the two. We can win with this group if we keep working hard on improved defense, and rebounding. We can afford to sacrifice a few points on offense if we pick up the defense and defensive boards, as we did last night.
CW is the man that is being called for in this thread! He can penetrate nicely, he needs to learn how to shoot fts though. I liked when CW and Jobo were on the court together last night, need more of that!
Agree, defense and rebounding will define how well Iowa does next year. Replacing Jok will be critical as well from a 3 pt offense perspective.
If CW could develop a Bryant McIntosh floater, wow. By the way would anyone call McIntosh an elite penetrating poi t guard?
Haha....... you got that right. By this time next week, everyone will be questioning frans ability to coach and wondering how many of these players should even be in the B1G.
Boy, it is hard to not be excited about this team moving forward after reading this. Add in weiskamp, and look out.
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CW has to be able to shoot FT's at > 65%. He is difference maker on defense and he can get to rim, but he has to improve his shooting.
I think we can get by with just CW/Bohannon at PG, but what happens if Bohannon gets injured? Maybe Connor can play at high level---I guess we will find out next year. I am in camp that the squad lacks guys that can create their own shot and perimeter defend...Moss/Dailey look like two guys that can develop that ability--hopefully they stick around.
As good as Bohannon's shot is (when he's on), it's his ability to pass to the open guy that is really impressive. Williams is getting there, too. I'm really starting to like this kid. Fran will probably have him shooting a 100,000 shots in the off-season; free throws, too. I love Pemsl's passing, too. I really like kids who are efficient, and Pemsl has 100% field goal shooting in the last two games, even if it was only 13 points total. .
I know...it's the biggest whine on this board. There's like, what...3 great PG's in the entire country? At most?
Iowa doesn't need a great PG on this current squad. They need a 2nd PG as competent as JoBo. He doesn't have to be as good a shooter either...just be a "true" point that can be the leader on the court getting the offense into it's sets properly.
Put a JoBo clone on this squad and watch Iowa win 7-8 more games than this year as a result no matter how many wins Iowa winds up at.
I can't say enough good things about what Bohannon has brought this year. I hope there's only more ceiling. He doesn't turn it over, he shoots well, he finds the open guy. He's had some really good post feeds this year. He stays out of foul trouble. He's maybe 19. Can you imagine if he becomes an intimidating guard defender?
I suppose few of you got to see R. Lester play, but it was a thing of beauty. He could penetrate right or left and then shoot a tear-drop that could not be defended. Before his knee injury, some guy named Magic said he was the best in the nation. Someone with half of Lester's ability would certainly help this team.
All true about Lester, but JBo is a fine point guard in his own right, he is not our problem, our problem is on the defensive end and yes JBo is part of that problem.
He is plenty quick enough to get his shot off on offense. That little push drive and step back in the second half that I have seen Jok use to get his 3 point shot off was a beauty. He'll be a very good player for the Hawks in his career here, I'll love watching him play here.
