When will this madness be addressed?
Wisky had 15 Off Rebounds, when will this be addressed?
Wisky had 15 Off Rebounds, when will this be addressed?
IOWA KenPom Defensive efficiency now at #162
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It’s very simple for this team. If they can be even in rebounding or better each game they will dance. If this crap continues it ain’t happening.
Lol. What evidence have you seen which leads you to believe it changing?
It would be a great start to bench Connor and JBo, period. 10 minutes max between them. Their "leadership" and "experience" are incapable of playing defense or scoring.
Joe, Ulis, and Perkins need to play together, a lot.
Guards and defense win games and the defense they play more than offsets their supposed offensive woes.
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It hasn’t been addressed in 12 years so my answer would be never as long as Fran is coach. I’m not calling for his departure but the stats show he either is very poor at coaching defense or just doesn’t make it a priority.
The concept of "As long as we keep pushing the pace and scoring points, it will be harder for the other team to score as many points, therefore, we will win more games" is eternally woven into this program's DNA. We will never play "good" fundamental D.
Kids are taught rebounding fundamentals starting late elementary school. This team, like most of Fran’s teams stands and look at the ball without putting a body in anyone. It’s infuriating as that’s rule number one. You either take pride in rebounding or you don’t.
Exactly. Fran & his staff are clueless on teaching defensive fundamentals and rebounding. In the past, I thought it was because he mostly got recruits that weren't good defenders, but even though we actually have a few guys that can D up (Keegan, Perkins, JT)......it's not any better. It doesn't help that JBo is a huge negative & Rebracca is pillow-soft inside.
At this point in their careers, players should already know the fundamentals of rebounding. It's not like the coach is having them start from scratch and having to teach them basic techniques. It's up to the guys on the floor to get it done.
I think the chance of dancing is slipping away. With their soft out of conference schedule, they have to win at least 10 B1G games to be on the bubble.
Give Big O more minutes and instruct him that he needs to pound the glass.
I don’t think the rebounding problems is a single issue, it’s multi faceted.
1. Frans commitment to 2 foul rule discourages fouling when rebounding, discourages aggressive play, it penalizes those that do play physically and incentives those to play soft, and not foul. (See Rebraca sit early in with 2 1st half fouls)
2. Frans commitment playing small lineups, sometimes with Sandfort as the #4 and Kris as #5, recall how that lineup turned a 10pt MD lead into a deficit.
3. Fran’s commitment to not playing a true center. Granted, both ‘true’ centers are inexperienced, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t have intrinsic rebounding skills, and rim protection skills, and intrinsic inside scoring . We saw again last night the true centers went 2-3 with 2 rebounds, a BLk, while we saw Ogundele‘s raw inside power, [ nobody else on this team, particularly the small ’bigs’ we use.) these 2m would probably so even better offensively if anyone passed them the ball, the only way they can score is if they get an OBoard.
These are coaching blunders, plain and simple, they are not related to fundamentals, they are systemic, and strategic,
Yes, ultimately it comes to coaching with personnel groups or teaching fundamentals. I agree, I’d like to see the two young big men more. They flash some good things but it’s hard to improve when you play four minutes one game and sit the next four games. Rebraca plays hard but he’s just not big or long enough at this level to really impact the game consistently.
Yes and no. Coaches need to hold the team accountable. Fran puts much more value on offense than rebounding and defense. Guess what his players are going to value more?
He'll bench a (some) guys for turnovers.
Is he benching anyone for their turnstile defense or their "turn and watch the ball" rebounding?
PMac might be the worst and standing in permitted and watching others rebound, looking for the run out should we actually get a rebound
He also needs to be held accountable for keeping his head in the game and going up strong.
Honestly, he seems scared to mix it up and needs to gain the same weight he gained last year in the next off-season.
The coach is responsible for ensuring that it is getting done.
Again, nothing will change until Fran is gone.
Getting rid of Tom Davis was the worst thing possible for Iowa, not because we shouldn't have(and I still don't think we should have), but because our admin is deathly afraid of another situation like we had in bball after him.
Did yo think this was going to be a good team? the whole offense ran thru Garza and now he is gone, they don't know what to do. One really good player and the rest are role players at best
really? I've seen videos from Izzo's practices and how they coach and work on rebounding. I just don't see that at iowa and part of that is in the weightroom. Iowa just doesn't look like some of the teams that consistently rebound well.
I am afraid that they will get killed on the boards with just about every big ten team. Coupling that with terrible defense, it will most likely be a very bad year for the hawks. If Patrick mccaffrey could develop the attitude and toughness his brother possesses, I could see a good year. He is good in many ways but he is the only one that I can see that could bring the rebounding needed. He has periods where you can see it, but it must be much more consistent. He needs to mix it up more to save the season.
I remember one segment where we shot the ball - not a quick shot either. When the ball hit the rim there was not a single hawkeye inside the 3 point line!!! They were all streaking to get back on defense. But other teams like noted above, crash the boards and get the rebound.
Which one. Ha.
Also plentiful: times where one opponent will grab the board among 4 hawkeyes with better position.
Technically true that Iowa is in bottom 25% of Big 10, but they are worse than that: dead last.
Bart Torvik uses similar methodology to KenPom, and this conference efficiency map shows Iowa has the second-best offense and the worst defense (worse than even Nebraska). While 155 in adjusted defensive efficiency does put you in the top half of all teams in Division 1, it is terrible for a power conference team. Power conference teams tend to have better, more athletic players, which means they can usually defend better (adjusted for level of competition). If you you use the check box in Bart Torvik to show only conference games, Iowa is pretty much tied with Michigan and Nebraska for worst defense, but our offense is more toward middle of the pack too. Some of that is Iowa has played mostly good Big 10 teams so far.
T-Page for Big Ten Conference - Customizable College Basketball Tempo Free Stats - T-Rank (barttorvik.com)
The only power conference teams with worse defensive numbers than Iowa is not a long list (from KenPom)
Georgetown, 6-6 record, 166 defense.
Miami , 13-3. 23 in offense and 200 in defense. They are overall 82, not very good.
NC State - 8-8 record, 188 in defense
Syracuse - 190 in defense, 7-8 record
BC - 6-7 record, 161 in defense
Utah, 8-8 record, 163 defense
Oregon State, 3-10, 177 in defense
Everyone wants "exciting" basketball. I would like to win. It is possible to be efficient offensively, play at a relatively fast pace and also to be able to defend at least on a mediocre level. But Iowa has not been able to do that for the past 5 years under Fran. Even below average would mean a lot to the team. But they just don't guard anyone.
Yep this is the exact same thing as the complaints about Iowa football and the offense. After this much time, it's obvious that things are what they are under the current leadership. I'm done hoping that it'll change, to be honest.
Playing small does not mean you can’t rebound. More and more teams are playing small ball and still rebound the ball effectively. Again, a lot of it is style of play. When we’re in zone most of the time at least 1 of our guards are already sprinting to the other end after the shot goes up. That’s a choice we make. You can still send 5 guys to the glass. We don’t. That’s on Fran. Rebraca catching way to much grief. He’s a 6-8 forward playing out of position at Center. Again, look to our our 6-9 forward by the name of Patrick. 2 rebounds a game? He loves to run out as well. These guys have not been taught to rebound.
I feel like a lot of our struggles with rebounding derives from fear as well as discipline. Our less athletic guys leak out on both ends of the court because on offense we are scared to get beat in transition D (I.E. teams like the Illini destroyed us in transition last few years) or on defense, as a team, we are extremely confused on how many guys are actually crashing to get boards, and we have 1 or 2 our guards leaking out because we want to run a fast break because offense is more important to them than rebounding, which obviously ingrained from Fran. Just what I noticed.
Unless there’s some big changes to our game plan and mindset on rebounding, it’s going to get exposed bad against IU. They ALL crash the offensive glass, and we know this. It’s going to be tough even if we have everyone staying back to box out, because this is something Woodson preaches day in and day out. Their half court defense is clogging and up in your face man. They are 12 deep, so they won’t get tired on D.
Then offensively, they have 2 pretty good shooters, and 2 really good bigs, so they will attack from outside and inside the arc.
We have had time to figure them out, but we did last year as well, with a better team when they were probably worse, and they beat us at home. Not getting my expectations up, but unless we are extremely hot offensively this is a tough game to see us winning with our glaring deficiencies in rebounding and defense.
Agree playing small doesn’t mean you can’t rebound and more teams are.
however, I will posit like Oregon last year, they played small but:
- all 5 guys hit both glasses, they have athletic guys #1-#5 that are 6 5” or more, Jobo #2 isn’t going to rebound, PMac at #3 isn’t going to rebound (although he did last game he usually doesn’t)
-these smaller lineups play with out fear. IOWA players are conditioned and incentivized not to foul, so it’s much harder to play small and rebound if you cant risk contact
-I agree PMac, watch him watch the defensive rebounding action from the perimeter, it’s nauseating. guys like perk, JoeT Ulis, Kris all sag and hit boards, PMac runs from the action not too it.
Very well said. Our starting 5 has been extremely ineffective at the outset of games, especially Bohannon. He’s going entire 1st halves without taking a shot. If Fran was going to bring him back as the 2 and start him he needs to shoot the ball. If he’s going to play 10 minutes and go 0-1 he’s more of a liability than Connor. He should come in with the 2nd team and have the mindset of absolutely looking for his shot. Instant offense. He honestly just doesn’t even seem interested this year.
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