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EVERYBODY wants to play Notre Dame. They can pick and choose. Iowa plays them at Soldier Field? Why would they do that? What have they to gain from it?

Iowa vs. Notre Dame does have a history, but I doubt ND cares about that anymore. They don't care about Nile Kinnick scoring the winning touchdown, or Howard Jones's great team ending Knute Rockne's winning streak. A lot of teams have history with Notre Dame. Iowa can stand in line. That is the reality.

Edit: Or the 1963 game in Iowa City that was canceled because the president was killed. The Notre Dame players went to church in Iowa City before returning to South Bend.
 
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So we are now working under the assumption the reason IA vs ND hasnt happened is "they are afraid to play us? Even though they have to schedule thier own SOS in advance and we are one of the most stable programs in the country, they dont want to play us."


Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. No.

Barta has a va91na/ thread.
 
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It's not difficult to comprehend. Sure Iowa fans want to play Notre Dame. Just like fans of 100 or more schools.

It is an Iowa fan dream with little base in reality. If we were to visit the recent history of other message boards, those schools want to play Notre Dame too. Sure Gary Barta could make a call, He may have already done so. After being on hold he's told thanks but no thanks.

I'm not an ND fan, I don't like them. But every time some half-wit asks "Why don't we schedule Notre Dame?" I know he's a half-wit.
 
Let's see
N-O-T-R-E ooooooooooohhhhhhhhh so close
You need to have these 5 letters [ N-O-R-T-H ] in your school name, and preferably be in the FCS, if you wanna get Barta's attention

NIU
ISU
UNI
another powerhouse OOC just a few months away
 
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Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll said:
So we are now working under the assumption the reason IA vs ND hasnt happened is "they are afraid to play us? Even though they have to schedule thier own SOS in advance and we are one of the most stable programs in the country, they dont want to play us."


Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. No.

Barta has a va91na/ thread.
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To improve their schedule, Iowa needs teams like
Notre Dame. However, Notre Dame does not need
Big Ten teams to improve their schedule.

Bottom Line: The only time that Iowa might play
Notre Dame.....in a Bowl Game.
 
I have posted this before and the article mentions it was a "rumor." Not true on the it only being a rumor. Iowa and ND wanted a 2 game series in Chicago for a ton of reasons including proximity and amount of alumni in the Midwest. The proposal was night games one year with Iowa the home team and broadcast on ABC and one year ND the home team carried by NBC. But due to the new Big 10 schedule with 9 games Iowa needs at least 2 of 3 OOC home games. Barta went to Pollard and asked for a 2 year hiatus to which Pollard said no and he would sue to ,keep the game under a specific performance theory as well as seek an injunction to prevent the Iowa-ND game due to claimed "irreparable harm" to ISU. So Barta backed out as he didn't want the political fall out of Iowa-ISU litigation as will as Barta was getting enough bad publicity. Those are all facts according to the Iowa foundation and a lawyer buddy who's father is a ND Trustee. So ND then went to Wisconsin for the game. But make no mistake both Iowa and ND wanted the game. Period. Thanks Pollard.
 
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Missouri ended up scheduling New Mexico and lost 35-45. Hank Baskett had a huge game.
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I believe it was the Arkansas State game they played at Arrowhead that replaced Iowa. I recall Pinkle stating that he couldn’t pass up the opportunity to play at Arrowhead. It was still a chicken shit move and I’m still pissed as living in MO I couldn’t wait to go to the game.
 
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KujawaFan said:
I have posted this before and the article mentions it was a "rumor." Not true on the it only being a rumor. Iowa and ND wanted a 2 game series in Chicago for a ton of reasons including proximity and amount of alumni in the Midwest. The proposal was night games one year with Iowa the home team and broadcast on ABC and one year ND the home team carried by NBC. But due to the new Big 10 schedule with 9 games Iowa needs at least 2 of 3 OOC home games. Barta went to Pollard and asked for a 2 year hiatus to which Pollard said no and he would sue to ,keep the game under a specific performance theory as well as seek an injunction to prevent the Iowa-ND game due to claimed "irreparable harm" to ISU. So Barta backed out as he didn't want the political fall out of Iowa-ISU litigation as will as Barta was getting enough bad publicity. Those are all facts according to the Iowa foundation and a lawyer buddy who's father is a ND Trustee. So ND then went to Wisconsin for the game. But make no mistake both Iowa and ND wanted the game. Period. Thanks Pollard.
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This sums it up very well. Amazing that some people don't realize with the schedule as it has been spoken ad nauseam that with 9 game schedule with ISU the issues right now with scheduling that 2nd power 5. Barta and the athletic department has stated that 7 homes games is a huge priority. But in an interview in Sept. 16' after opening weekend with ton of awesome matchups Barta said he could be open to a possibility for 6 home and 1 neutral game like at Soldier or Arrowhead that would be a de facto 7th home game depending on the $ situation from it. Until then years we play ISU at home play all 3 non conf and 4 conference games at home and year playing in Ames have 2 non conf and 5 conference at Kinnick. Because can't think of one power 5 who wouldn't want a home and home in return.

The big thing to see how it plays out as mentioned with Barta trying to get out for 2 years to play ND from ISU game is when discussion for extending series with ISU comes up again. What will Barta do? I believe right now contract goes until 2023 but I fully expect him to cower down and extend it. Both he and Pollard love the game makes it easy getting a power 5 for each other (considering been since 02' since ISU played anyone besides Iowa). Even if they do extend best we can hope for is maybe a 6 home game with neutral site game vs another power 5 team such as ND.
 
To be clear I don’t blame Pollard. He knows he needs the game and had Barta in a tough spot. When was the last home and home for ISU against a P5 team not named Iowa? My God, ISU has to do home and homes with Akron. They lose Iowa who are they getting from the Power 5 to do a home and home? When Iowa has only 8 conference games, I recall off the top of my head: ASU, Arizona, Syracuse, Pitt. I am sure there may be more. ISU CANNOT get a P5 team for a true home and home. So love we get another of their Super Bowls for 2 years when ND wanted us.
 
KujawaFan said:
To be clear I don’t blame Pollard. He knows he needs the game and had Barta in a tough spot. When was the last home and home for ISU against a P5 team not named Iowa? My God, ISU has to do home and homes with Akron. They lose Iowa who are they getting from the Power 5 to do a home and home? When Iowa has only 8 conference games, I recall off the top of my head: ASU, Arizona, Syracuse, Pitt. I am sure there may be more. ISU CANNOT get a P5 team for a true home and home. So love we get another of their Super Bowls for 2 years when ND wanted us.
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Well to answer your question after a quick look scrolling through past schedules ISU played FSU in 02' neutral site game. Last power 5 team before that was in 97' at Minnesota who they played 2x in the 90s at the Metrodome and also played at Wisconsin 2x on the road in the 90s. Last Power 5 team not named Iowa to play in Ames was Minnesota in 1989.

Also add Nebraska for other home and home games in KF era and one neutral site game vs K State. Pitt was also 4 games and we all remember Mizzou backing out.
 
It cost Michigan 375k to back out against VA Tech. Where there is a will there is a way GB might take a bunch of heat from state fans for breaking the contract but there would be a fair amount of Iowa fans that would actually thank him for it. (That would be a first). 375k is a fair amount of money but in the grand scheme of things it is a drop in the bucket compared to what could be gained especially with the staff focusing on recruitting in Indy and playing a national power on a national stage. Pollard would have pissed and moaned and would have got a small lump some of.money and then would have been on his own to schedule his own sell out early in the season instead of us gifting him one. The reason Iowa vs ND hasn't happend is Barta. Any heat Barta would have taken from the fan base would have instantly been curbed with a statement along the lines of "we look forward to giving the Iowa football fans an early season game against a national brand where we can tout our outstanding university." Iowa State needs Iowa more than Iowa needs ISU.
 
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ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK said:
Iowa would piss hammer ND. They want no part of the Hawks. We’re too physical for that finesse school.
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Im an Iowa fan but come on man. They just had 2 OL drafted in the top 10. I dont think they are as soft as you think just because they throw it some.
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yes they did have to with that is an aberration plus their offensive line coach left for the Bears. I doubt that tradition continues. Notre Damers are classic Underachievers
 
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The big thing to see how it plays out as mentioned with Barta trying to get out for 2 years to play ND from ISU game is when discussion for extending series with ISU comes up again. What will Barta do? I believe right now contract goes until 2023 but I fully expect him to cower down and extend it. Both he and Pollard love the game makes it easy getting a power 5 for each other (considering been since 02' since ISU played anyone besides Iowa). Even if they do extend best we can hope for is maybe a 6 home game with neutral site game vs another power 5 team such as ND.
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He doesn't have to extend the contract. If Kirk said, "Don't extend the contract", ya think he's gonna go against his will?
Also, no one is forcing Barta to continue scheduling FCS programs either. If only the #metoo/#timesup movement had started right before the trial, he would be gone.
 
The next time Iowa plays Notre Dame it’ll be either a bowl game or because they have joined the B1G. One of those two options isn’t happening.
 
The old adage "you are the company you keep" comes into play here. The "company we are keeping" is one of the worst programs in history. It isnt the responsibility of the Iowa AD to help the ISU AD.
 
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JoelBittner said:
He doesn't have to extend the contract. If Kirk said, "Don't extend the contract", ya think he's gonna go against his will?
Also, no one is forcing Barta to continue scheduling FCS programs either. If only the #metoo/#timesup movement had started right before the trial, he would be gone.
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No he doesn't but I have a feeling he will because Pollard and him want it that way and probably won't ask for Kirk's opinion because he'll be close to 70 by the time 2024 comes around. I'm hoping least with this ND talk gives us a glimmer of hope that they'll look for some matchup like this in the future. As for FCS every program including Alabama has a FCS or low level D1 team on the schedule. 11 of 14 SEC school played 3 non power 5 teams so not just Iowa or Big 10.
 
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Go back and look at OOC when Fry came on board. Some really good programs. He changed that as soon as he could.
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To be fair though last few years Fry's OOC wasn't as strong. 70s, 80s and early 90s you look at most every school and they put todays teams non conference to shame. 92' Iowa is insane Iowa played in Kickoff classic vs NC St, Colorado, Miami FL & ISU. But after that season from 93-98' when Hayden retired it started dwindling down like most other schools who were scheduling less and less multiple power 5 teams. Iowa played ISU 6x, Oregon in 94' & Arizona in 96' & 98'.
 
iahawkeyes17 said:
To be fair though last few years Fry's OOC wasn't as strong. 70s, 80s and early 90s you look at most every school and they put todays teams non conference to shame. 92' Iowa is insane Iowa played in Kickoff classic vs NC St, Colorado, Miami FL & ISU. But after that season from 93-98' when Hayden retired it started dwindling down like most other schools who were scheduling less and less multiple power 5 teams. Iowa played ISU 6x, Oregon in 94' & Arizona in 96' & 98'.
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You just admitted for the majority of his tenure he played some stiff OOC competition. He also beat the creampuffs during his time. Can ya say those things about the current regime?
 
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You just admitted for the majority of his tenure he played some stiff OOC competition. He also beat the creampuffs during his time. Can ya say those things about the current regime?
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Different time, different blueprint. I'm not sure HF or hardly anyone else would schedule like that today, so its kinda silly to just blame it on Kirk. Almost nobody plays more then 10 power five schools today. We discussed this until we're blue. With the 9 conference games, and our albatross from Ames, its going to be rare to see another top team on the OOC schedule. Iowa has tried in the past to schedule home and homes with some power five schools and had no takers. For the record, I'm all for dropping ISU and replacing them with another power five team, but I'm doubtful we'll get the kind of top teams we'd like to come to Kinnick. The Hawks 3-1 record at home in their last 4 games against top five teams, really doesn't make for a warm and fuzzy welcome for an Oklahoma, or Alabama type opponent.
 
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I kind of agree. Says much of the character on which the school was built. ;)
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Your bias/prejudice is showing just a tad.

What you typed says a lot more about you than what the behavior of some football players and coaches in 1953 say about the University of Notre Dame.
 
Folks on here talk as though Iowa could kick the s---t out of the Irish if given the chance. I attend the last three games between the two schools and it wasn't pretty. I don't know why anyone thinks we could roll them now. If we didn't play ISU ND still wouldn't schedule us. They schedule teams in areas where they want to recruit and Iowa isn't one of those.
 
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