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Iowa Poll: Only 49% of GOP voters think Islam should be legal

I think they would try banning it. The GOP has tried many times to write anti-sharia laws into our books. It's not much of a leap to think they would simply try to ban Islam altogether. Keep in mind that this is the same party that believes that Obama is Muslim.

Wow! Where do you come up with this stuff? The "GOP" does not believe that Obama is a Muslim. Just because there a a few right wing idiots out there doesn't give you cause to paint the entire party as adherents to those extreme views. The left has their fair share of idiots as well, and I would never try to attach their stupidity to the entire Democratic Party. Now I call Bullshit on you....
 
Wow! Where do you come up with this stuff? The "GOP" does not believe that Obama is a Muslim. Just because there a a few right wing idiots out there doesn't give you cause to paint the entire party as adherents to those extreme views. The left has their fair share of idiots as well, and I would never try to attach their stupidity to the entire Democratic Party. Now I call Bullshit on you....
How do you define "a few"?
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How is this poll not PROOF that Iowa doesn't deserve to kick off the primary contests every presidential election cycle?

Sure, sure, we could pick worse states. But why not aim higher? Or at least rotate the honor.
 
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Wow! Where do you come up with this stuff? The "GOP" does not believe that Obama is a Muslim. Just because there a a few right wing idiots out there doesn't give you cause to paint the entire party as adherents to those extreme views. The left has their fair share of idiots as well, and I would never try to attach their stupidity to the entire Democratic Party. Now I call Bullshit on you....
Hate to break the bad news to you, but polls show that the majority of Republicans believe Obama is a Muslim.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ority-of-republicans-thinks-obama-is-a-muslim
 
Just to get real for a moment, this does happen in the US. Gays are killed for being gay and often with religious justification. The difference is when this happens we don't blame all Christians and suggest they should be outlawed. Today there is a bill working its way through the California ballot initiative process that requires killing gay people. It's authored by a devout Christian who wants to insert biblical law into practice (just like a muslim might with sharia). Have you even heard of it? I bet not. That's how little credence we give to Christian crazies. I'd suggest that's an appropriate reaction to most blow hards.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/23/california-lawyer-shoot-the-gays-proposal-2016-ballot

Wow. That is really disturbing.
 
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How is this poll not PROOF that Iowa doesn't deserve to kick off the primary contests every presidential election cycle?

Sure, sure, we could pick worse states. But why not aim higher? Or at least rotate the honor.

Why don't we just do it nation wide on the same day?

The way our system works now in most cases something like 6 states make the call for the entire rest of the nation. Usually by the "Super Tuesday" primaries it's all been pretty much decided.
 
You aren't going to hear it in the USA. Again, they are going to do what they have to do to advance their religion. I wish we could focus just on the US, but I have a feeling we will be seeing some folks from Syria pulled in since they don't know what to do with them, so we are importing now.
So, you're convinced Muslims are going to take over the USA? Is Islam a growing religion? Yes, it is. However, everyone in this country still has to follow the laws of the land and I don't see the entire Constitution being thrown out anytime soon by radical Muslims.

As of 2014, over 70% of Americans polled (Pew Research Center, March 12, 2015) identified themselves as Christian (obviously, numerous denominations), while less than 1% identified themselves as Muslim. How soon do you suppose Muslims will be in the majority?

Let's take that a step further and say even 50% of Muslims (just throwing a number out there; I have no idea about the prevalence) are in favor of sharia law as the law of the land. How soon do you think a current population of ~0.5% of all Americans, even accounting for growth of the religion, will take over the entire USA and completely throw away the entire Constitution, thereby creating their own country?
 
The point is: are they doing that in the USA?

Point out exactly where in the USA Muslims are saying "...you either join, pay the tax, or die."

I don't care about what's going on in other countries. Let's focus on the USA.
Well there was an article yesterday about a Muslim parent going crazy in New Jersey because her child's school wouldn't close on a Muslim holiday. She yelled something about being the majority before too long. There are great Muslim citizens in the USA. But I will admit that I am a tad cynical about the thought of allowing another 100,000 of them into the country. I really don't see a positive. To that angry parent, just keep your kid home that day. The decision will be respected by the school.
 
Trump's probably not hurting himself too much with his negativity toward Muslims either- only 49% of Republicans think the religion of Islam should even be legal in the United States with 30% saying it shouldn't be and 21% not sure.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IA_92215.pdf

Also, 69% think Obama is waging a war on Christianity.

Conservatives, just doing their stupid thing. And they will come up with something even more stupid tomorrow. Bank on that.
 
Well there was an article yesterday about a Muslim parent going crazy in New Jersey because her child's school wouldn't close on a Muslim holiday. She yelled something about being the majority before too long. There are great Muslim citizens in the USA. But I will admit that I am a tad cynical about the thought of allowing another 100,000 of them into the country. I really don't see a positive. To that angry parent, just keep your kid home that day. The decision will be respected by the school.
I saw that and can tell you she's a nut.
 
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If 49% of GOP'ers really feel this way, then they can push to amend the Constitution.

Somehow I don't think they will, so the poll is meaningless.
 
A self proclaiming left leaning poll is what you base your opinion on? Really?
And what about the ten thousand other polls over the last 6 years which have found the same thing? I suppose they are all liberal outfits?
 
Trump's probably not hurting himself too much with his negativity toward Muslims either- only 49% of Republicans think the religion of Islam should even be legal in the United States with 30% saying it shouldn't be and 21% not sure.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IA_92215.pdf

Also, 69% think Obama is waging a war on Christianity.
Well there is a sizable bunch of HROTers who hate the fact that occasionally I refers to the natives of this state as being fromm IOWAY. And then I will mention a verse or two from They IOWAY Corn Song. These folks also think that Terry Branstat and Joni Ernst are the greatest things in IOWAY since sliced bread......no pun intended, Joni.
 
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I have lost a lot of respect for you over this Muslim deal. If the radicals had their way they would bury you up to your neck and throw rocks at you. Additionally, they treat their women awful. Why you would want to support a religion who says you join us, or you pay a tax, or you die is beyond me.

And don't come back to the Christian bs because we aren't throwing rocks and killing gays and They are killing us as well because we aren't joining or paying the tax.

Umm... You might want to look at these two situations to make it sound like all Muslims are the one that are committing crimes and there isn't such crime in the Christian community...

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American Muslims Supporting Gay Marriage Speak Up

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Atlanta gay bar bomber writing autobiography
 
And what about the ten thousand other polls over the last 6 years which have found the same thing? I suppose they are all liberal outfits?
Well asking questions and collecting data is liberal. Cons just go with their gut. If they ate better, that might not be so bad.
 
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And what about the ten thousand other polls over the last 6 years which have found the same thing? I suppose they are all liberal outfits?
Truth has a liberal bias. So anyone trying to learn or disseminate the truth is, by definition, a liberal outfit. Pollsters, scientists, journalists, teachers....

Don't laugh. This has become much more true than it should be.
 
So you voted it should be illegal?

Also, you are wrong if you think nat or most liberals support Islam as a religion over Christianity. We may not want to see all Muslims treated like terrorists, but that doesnt mean we condone the practices of their extreme followers. You get mixed up in thinking we have to take the opposite side as you. Cons hating Islam doesnt mean libs love it. Libs that dont like Christianity probably dislike Islam even more.

Duh, this?

Jesus, this had to be explained?
 
Well there was an article yesterday about a Muslim parent going crazy in New Jersey because her child's school wouldn't close on a Muslim holiday. She yelled something about being the majority before too long. There are great Muslim citizens in the USA. But I will admit that I am a tad cynical about the thought of allowing another 100,000 of them into the country. I really don't see a positive. To that angry parent, just keep your kid home that day. The decision will be respected by the school.

There are crazy parents of every religion, demanding all sorts of shit. Parents be crazy.
 
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I don't want a muslim majority, I wouldn't like the idea of a call to prayer being blasted. I don't even like the noon sirens.
 
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I don't want a muslim majority, I wouldn't like the idea of a call to prayer being blasted. I don't even like the noon sirens.
OMG I hadn't thought of that. I bet they would want to bust in on my TV shows with a PSA. Another good reason to cut the cord. Damn you football!
 
Libs that dont like Christianity probably dislike Islam even more.

That's how I feel (really). Christians get more guff from people like me because most of the people I've ever known are Christian. I think people should be allowed to practice Islam in this country to the extent that there are ABSOLUTELY NO SHARIA COURTS and (selfish corollary) ABSOLUTELY NO abuse of Muslim-born apostates. Also, I think food wholesalers who lie about their products to Halal and/or Kosher grocers should do actual hard time in actual prison.
 
I don't want a muslim majority, I wouldn't like the idea of a call to prayer being blasted. I don't even like the noon sirens.

I want all Abrahamic folks to realize how silly they're being about humanity's shared existential dilemmas. Chosen people? Hell? Caliphs? All sorted out in a few millenia on a planet that's billions of years old? Based on the testimony of clever writers who claim to be witnesses?
 
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This constant referencing of ill prepared polls has gotten totally out of hand in this country. I don't for a minute believe that 51% of conservative American voters would be willing to outlaw the Muslim faith. I call Bullshit......


I'd like to not believe it.
 
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Well there was an article yesterday about a Muslim parent going crazy in New Jersey because her child's school wouldn't close on a Muslim holiday. She yelled something about being the majority before too long. There are great Muslim citizens in the USA. But I will admit that I am a tad cynical about the thought of allowing another 100,000 of them into the country. I really don't see a positive. To that angry parent, just keep your kid home that day. The decision will be respected by the school.

The Muslim population in New Jersey is 0.9%...it going to be a long time, if ever.
 
I have lost a lot of respect for you over this Muslim deal. If the radicals had their way they would bury you up to your neck and throw rocks at you. Additionally, they treat their women awful. Why you would want to support a religion who says you join us, or you pay a tax, or you die is beyond me.

And don't come back to the Christian bs because we aren't throwing rocks and killing gays and They are killing us as well because we aren't joining or paying the tax.

Sooooo, the first amendment is just a suggestion then?
 
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The Muslim population in New Jersey is 0.9%...it going to be a long time, if ever.

I don't understand why conservatives assume the tolerance preached by American lefties would extend to the most conservative of practices in the Islam world. The line is pretty clear to me. If you're here with us, our laws supersede your superstitions. You will be prosecuted if you abuse anyone else's rights based on your religious beliefs. Even if the people being abused are turning into decadent apostates.
 
Do some checking Biscuit and don't be so naïve. The religion is based on the montra of you join, you pay the tax, or you die.
And you've yet to prove that this is taking place in the USA!

Show me evidence that right now Muslims in America are forcing people throughout the USA to "join, pay the tax, or die."

Don't use evidence from any other country, just right now and right here in the USA.
 
Why don't we just do it nation wide on the same day?

The way our system works now in most cases something like 6 states make the call for the entire rest of the nation. Usually by the "Super Tuesday" primaries it's all been pretty much decided.

I think there are some good arguments for starting it off in a few smaller states. In theory it makes it possible for less-well-known and less-well-funded candidates to have a chance. So that's good.

But as you suggest, those early states can kill a perfectly good candidate - a candidate who not only could have won but could have been a fine president if only the primaries had started out in a different set of states.

We now start in a moderate midwestern state, followed by a conservative northeastern state (more moderate recently), followed by a very conservative southern state - where the state sport is apparently adultery, sometimes with horses.

I don't have a solution but maybe we should start with 2 states at the extremes. Set a size limit and then just pick them based on the outcome of the last presidential election. So the most D-leaning state and the most R-leaning state.

Why would that be good? Because they couldn't just spew the most conservative BS for several primaries in a row and have a good chance of still being among the front-runners. So start with the extremes and then take it to a moderate state to see who recovers the best.

But I'm open to better ideas.
 
Why don't we just do it nation wide on the same day?

The way our system works now in most cases something like 6 states make the call for the entire rest of the nation. Usually by the "Super Tuesday" primaries it's all been pretty much decided.
When it comes to the general election, the best way to eliminate the power of a few battleground states on the outcome would be to shift to electing the president by popular vote.
 
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